But he was also elected on a pro-EU platform. The demonstrations started when he changed his mind and refused to sign the association agreement with the EU.He was democratically elected. That is how he got on the throne.
He refused to sign agreement which was a death sentence for his reelection. And the guys who got into power after overthrowing him were not eager to sign it either. It was and is a bad deal.But he was also elected on a pro-EU platform. The demonstrations started when he changed his mind and refused to sign the association agreement with the EU.He was democratically elected. That is how he got on the throne.
Were not eager? Yatseniuk as the prime minister signed it on February 21st 2014, less than a month after coming in power. Poroshenko signed the economic parts of it on June 27th, again less than a month after taking office.
Unlike Putin and Russia, at least the EU lubed Ukraine first.
Russia have been lubing Ukraine for 25 years on amount of $250bil.
He delayed it in order to make some possible changes to it.But he was also elected on a pro-EU platform. The demonstrations started when he changed his mind and refused to sign the association agreement with the EU.He was democratically elected. That is how he got on the throne.
The Nuland call does prove anything of the sort. They are talking about organizing and outreach to Yanukovich, and trying to get a new gogvernment set up quickly to replace the resigned prime minister at that point, a plan that didn't actually happen. If Americans had had their way, Yanukovich would still be in power, it was the protestors who refused to accept a deal.
No, I am not happy at all for all the casualties and refugees that the Russia-backed separatists have caused. Putin could end the war overnight if he wanted to.
It doesn't matter whether you think the association agreement is a bad idea, or even if it were an objectively bad idea. Point is that most Ukrainians, including many who voted for Yanukovich, didn't think it was a bad idea. And if the agreements that Poroshenko signed were just meaningless fluff as you claim, what reason did Yanukovich have to refuse to sign them and ruin his political career?
Of course it does not, What matters is what current government thought, and they thought it was bad deal.
That's not how it works, Idea was good, but without details it's just an "idea" and the job of the elected officials to get better deal and EU was not going to give Ukraine a descent deal.
Because he does no sign fluff? The point is, new, Maidan people were delaying signing as much as possible, and signing some meaningless fluff was their way out. They murdered a lot of people over it, they could not just say "Wait a movement, Yanukovich was right"
It was caused by Maidan people, and no, Putin could not end it overnight, but Maidan people could. all they needed to do is agree to federalization, the original will of the people which still stands.
Where do you get this crap? Berkut was not shooting "protesters" they were beating some of them up, yes very unprofessional and in fact pissed them off, but it was not a catalyst for much anything. Shooting happened later when protests were about to end with Yanukovich giving some power to "pro"-EU crowd while staying in power. And shoting was done by radicals not by Yanukovich forces, that' what your own damn EU critters think. And "protests" themselves started as fucking students sitting on a square and nobody else. There were no people there, just fucking students, It's a myth that ukrainians in general supported these protests, it took time for radicals to realize that they can use this pretext to get into power, of course they did not give a damn about EU, but it did not matter. In the end of course radicals could not get in power in any meaningful way, but they did assist other clan.
And the Russian deal was better? One third of Ukraine's exports go to Europe vs. 12% to Russia, so it would have and still does more sense to make such a deal with EU. It's also a long term political choice, apart from just economy.
Nonsense. The federalization proposal was dictated by Russia after the war, as a way for it to have veto power to prevent Ukraine from getting closer to EU or NATO. Nobody asked the people of Ukraine about it.
According to polls, in late 2013 and early 2014 Ukrainians were polarized about 50-50 about the protests, with slight majority being against. But by March 2014 the tables had turned and 57% supported it (source: wikipedia). It's hardly "just students" or "radicals".
Yes, it was better.
LOL, you forgot to specify that it is current data, very thoughtful of you.
It does not bother you that there are such fluctuations?
You think wars don't happen? America starts many wars and it's citizens cheer them on. But they all occur overseas, so most people have no sense of the reality of it. It's even not allowed to post a photo of dead Americans returning home.
