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Oath Keeper leader, 10 others charged with 'seditious conspiracy' in Jan. 6 Capitol attack

WASHINGTON — Stewart Rhodes, founder of the far-right militia the Oath Keepers has been indicted and arrested for his organization's involvement in planning the Jan. 6 attack.
Rhodes, 56, is being charged for the first time in connection to events leading up to and on Jan. 6, according to a statement from the Justice Department released Thursday. An additional 10 people, including nine others who already faced charges in connection to the riot, were also indicted.

A day late and a dollar short IMHO. A year ago it would have set an example. Today it just inflames the right to more atrocities.
 

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So much for no one being charged with sedition.

Oath Keepers are pretty much "no one". We shall see if this leads to bigger fish.

Some foolish part of me is still hoping that there is thought behind the timing of these things, structured to bring maximum impact to this fall's elections or maybe even the 2024 elections. If they're trying to time it for 2024, that will almost certainly be long after the nazi horse has left the barn and is poised to enter the White House.
 

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Oath Keepers are pretty much "no one". We shall see if this leads to bigger fish.
The Oathkeepers and Roger Stone are very close. Trump and Stone are very close too. When the shit hits the fan for these guys and they're looking at decades behind bars you can bet they'll start singing in exchange for leniency.
 

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Oath Keepers are pretty much "no one". We shall see if this leads to bigger fish.
The Oathkeepers and Roger Stone are very close. Trump and Stone are very close too. When the shit hits the fan for these guys and they're looking at decades behind bars you can bet they'll start singing in exchange for leniency.
They don't even have to sing, not as part of a deal. They just testify about what they did and when, prosecution refers to the phone records and asks, "Is that when Roger Stone asked you to bring the restraints?"
"Yeah."

These guys keep bragging in court and looking surprised when anothrr count is addddd....
 

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When the shit hits the fan for these guys…

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If that’s not in the next few months, it won’t matter. They’ll all clam up if Dems lose Congress (maybe even if they don’t) and play the delay game, waiting for Mango Man to pardon them.
 

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Oath Keeper leader, 10 others charged with 'seditious conspiracy' in Jan. 6 Capitol attack

WASHINGTON — Stewart Rhodes, founder of the far-right militia the Oath Keepers has been indicted and arrested for his organization's involvement in planning the Jan. 6 attack.
Rhodes, 56, is being charged for the first time in connection to events leading up to and on Jan. 6, according to a statement from the Justice Department released Thursday. An additional 10 people, including nine others who already faced charges in connection to the riot, were also indicted.

A day late and a dollar short IMHO. A year ago it would have set an example. Today it just inflames the right to more atrocities.
The thing about this charge, sedition, is that the case needs to be carefully built and airtight. On it's own and because this is just the first step. Bigger fish gonna fry.

It took 2 years for Watergate charges to be brought. And they were peanuts compared with this.
 

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I think they should have charged some of the Proud Boys and their leadership with the same thing. They were using encrypted communication at some point, but a lot of their seditious talk and active support of violent insurrection was also going on in real time on Parler as they were doing it. Enrique Tarrio was linking quite a few threads and saying to go in and not give up. Threads he was linking were of Proud Boys committing crimes. I don't see how that can't all be evidence of seditious conspiracy especially when in context of planning to show up with weapons and act out.
 

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Oath Keeper leader, 10 others charged with 'seditious conspiracy' in Jan. 6 Capitol attack

WASHINGTON — Stewart Rhodes, founder of the far-right militia the Oath Keepers has been indicted and arrested for his organization's involvement in planning the Jan. 6 attack.
Rhodes, 56, is being charged for the first time in connection to events leading up to and on Jan. 6, according to a statement from the Justice Department released Thursday. An additional 10 people, including nine others who already faced charges in connection to the riot, were also indicted.

A day late and a dollar short IMHO. A year ago it would have set an example. Today it just inflames the right to more atrocities.
The thing about this charge, sedition, is that the case needs to be carefully built and airtight. On it's own and because this is just the first step. Bigger fish gonna fry.

It took 2 years for Watergate charges to be brought. And they were peanuts compared with this.

So … we’re screwed. ‘Pugs will take congress in 53 weeks, and install the mango menace as dictator in ‘24.
 

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Oath Keeper leader, 10 others charged with 'seditious conspiracy' in Jan. 6 Capitol attack

WASHINGTON — Stewart Rhodes, founder of the far-right militia the Oath Keepers has been indicted and arrested for his organization's involvement in planning the Jan. 6 attack.
Rhodes, 56, is being charged for the first time in connection to events leading up to and on Jan. 6, according to a statement from the Justice Department released Thursday. An additional 10 people, including nine others who already faced charges in connection to the riot, were also indicted.

A day late and a dollar short IMHO. A year ago it would have set an example. Today it just inflames the right to more atrocities.
The thing about this charge, sedition, is that the case needs to be carefully built and airtight. On it's own and because this is just the first step. Bigger fish gonna fry.

It took 2 years for Watergate charges to be brought. And they were peanuts compared with this.

So … we’re screwed. ‘Pugs will take congress in 53 weeks, and install the mango menace as dictator in ‘24.
Only if we keep singing that tune? We have a while to be talking with our friends, family, and younger relatives about voting to hold Congress.
 

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Oath Keeper leader, 10 others charged with 'seditious conspiracy' in Jan. 6 Capitol attack

WASHINGTON — Stewart Rhodes, founder of the far-right militia the Oath Keepers has been indicted and arrested for his organization's involvement in planning the Jan. 6 attack.
Rhodes, 56, is being charged for the first time in connection to events leading up to and on Jan. 6, according to a statement from the Justice Department released Thursday. An additional 10 people, including nine others who already faced charges in connection to the riot, were also indicted.

A day late and a dollar short IMHO. A year ago it would have set an example. Today it just inflames the right to more atrocities.
The thing about this charge, sedition, is that the case needs to be carefully built and airtight. On it's own and because this is just the first step. Bigger fish gonna fry.

It took 2 years for Watergate charges to be brought. And they were peanuts compared with this.

So … we’re screwed. ‘Pugs will take congress in 53 weeks, and install the mango menace as dictator in ‘24.
Only if we keep singing that tune? We have a while to be talking with our friends, family, and younger relatives about voting to hold Congress.

Certainly. Of course, we (I) did that in 2016... and 2020. Yet, here we are, unable to pass voting rights or any other meaningful legislation, teeing up 2022 for a massive rout. Republicans are waging asymmetrical warfare, and Democrats seem content to sit on their virtues and let the Country go to Hell.
 

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I think they should have charged some of the Proud Boys and their leadership with the same thing. They were using encrypted communication at some point, but a lot of their seditious talk and active support of violent insurrection was also going on in real time on Parler as they were doing it. Enrique Tarrio was linking quite a few threads and saying to go in and not give up. Threads he was linking were of Proud Boys committing crimes. I don't see how that can't all be evidence of seditious conspiracy especially when in context of planning to show up with weapons and act out.
Of course it is. We just have to trust that more charges are coming. This really is an enormous case.
 

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I think they should have charged some of the Proud Boys and their leadership with the same thing. They were using encrypted communication at some point, but a lot of their seditious talk and active support of violent insurrection was also going on in real time on Parler as they were doing it. Enrique Tarrio was linking quite a few threads and saying to go in and not give up. Threads he was linking were of Proud Boys committing crimes. I don't see how that can't all be evidence of seditious conspiracy especially when in context of planning to show up with weapons and act out.
Of course it is. We just have to trust that more charges are coming. This really is an enormous case.
I fear that Garland is such a stickler for process that he will fritter away the window of opportunity trying to be 100% correct at every turn.
 

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I think they should have charged some of the Proud Boys and their leadership with the same thing. They were using encrypted communication at some point, but a lot of their seditious talk and active support of violent insurrection was also going on in real time on Parler as they were doing it. Enrique Tarrio was linking quite a few threads and saying to go in and not give up. Threads he was linking were of Proud Boys committing crimes. I don't see how that can't all be evidence of seditious conspiracy especially when in context of planning to show up with weapons and act out.
Of course it is. We just have to trust that more charges are coming. This really is an enormous case.
I fear that Garland is such a stickler for process that he will fritter away the window of opportunity trying to be 100% correct at every turn.
He has to be a stickler. These are enormous charges and cases must be airtight.
 

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Oath Keeper leader, 10 others charged with 'seditious conspiracy' in Jan. 6 Capitol attack

WASHINGTON — Stewart Rhodes, founder of the far-right militia the Oath Keepers has been indicted and arrested for his organization's involvement in planning the Jan. 6 attack.
Rhodes, 56, is being charged for the first time in connection to events leading up to and on Jan. 6, according to a statement from the Justice Department released Thursday. An additional 10 people, including nine others who already faced charges in connection to the riot, were also indicted.

A day late and a dollar short IMHO. A year ago it would have set an example. Today it just inflames the right to more atrocities.
Fuck the right.
 

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I think they should have charged some of the Proud Boys and their leadership with the same thing. They were using encrypted communication at some point, but a lot of their seditious talk and active support of violent insurrection was also going on in real time on Parler as they were doing it. Enrique Tarrio was linking quite a few threads and saying to go in and not give up. Threads he was linking were of Proud Boys committing crimes. I don't see how that can't all be evidence of seditious conspiracy especially when in context of planning to show up with weapons and act out.
Of course it is. We just have to trust that more charges are coming. This really is an enormous case.
I fear that Garland is such a stickler for process that he will fritter away the window of opportunity trying to be 100% correct at every turn.
He has to be a stickler. These are enormous charges and cases must be airtight.
So, they will be the most airtight cases ever to be set aside by a newly re-elected President's latest corrupt AG.
Woop-de-doo.
 

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I think they should have charged some of the Proud Boys and their leadership with the same thing. They were using encrypted communication at some point, but a lot of their seditious talk and active support of violent insurrection was also going on in real time on Parler as they were doing it. Enrique Tarrio was linking quite a few threads and saying to go in and not give up. Threads he was linking were of Proud Boys committing crimes. I don't see how that can't all be evidence of seditious conspiracy especially when in context of planning to show up with weapons and act out.
Of course it is. We just have to trust that more charges are coming. This really is an enormous case.
I fear that Garland is such a stickler for process that he will fritter away the window of opportunity trying to be 100% correct at every turn.
He has to be a stickler. These are enormous charges and cases must be airtight.
So, they will be the most airtight cases ever to be set aside by a newly re-elected President's latest corrupt AG.
Woop-de-doo.
I sincerely do not believe that Trump will be re-elected. I seriously doubt he will run. From what I hear, his health continues to decline and so do the number and fervor of his followers. Wide speculation that he's only dangling his 'campaign' for the grift.
 

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I sincerely do not believe that Trump will be re-elected. I seriously doubt he will run. From what I hear, his health continues to decline and so do the number and fervor of his followers. Wide speculation that he's only dangling his 'campaign' for the grift.

I sincerely hope that’s right. I’d like nothing better than seeing goobernor death sentence bungle a Presidential campaign and lose the Presidency and both houses of Congress (for real this time- a majority without the DINOs).

But if ANY trumpsucker gets the presidency, all the 1/6 traitors will have government jobs, cabinet positions etc. and it is unlikely that there will ever again be free and fair elections.
 

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I sincerely do not believe that Trump will be re-elected. I seriously doubt he will run. From what I hear, his health continues to decline and so do the number and fervor of his followers. Wide speculation that he's only dangling his 'campaign' for the grift.

I sincerely hope that’s right. I’d like nothing better than seeing goobernor death sentence bungle a Presidential campaign and lose the Presidency and both houses of Congress (for real this time- a majority without the DINOs).

But if ANY trumpsucker gets the presidency, all the 1/6 traitors will have government jobs, cabinet positions etc. and it is unlikely that there will ever again be free and fair elections.
I agree with Toni's take on the matter. He never wanted the job in the first place, all he wanted was the adulation. He will continue the grift for as long as he can.

I saw a report yesterday that Melania was actually pleased that he lost. IIRC, it was reported by her ex-press secretary.
 

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I think they should have charged some of the Proud Boys and their leadership with the same thing. They were using encrypted communication at some point, but a lot of their seditious talk and active support of violent insurrection was also going on in real time on Parler as they were doing it. Enrique Tarrio was linking quite a few threads and saying to go in and not give up. Threads he was linking were of Proud Boys committing crimes. I don't see how that can't all be evidence of seditious conspiracy especially when in context of planning to show up with weapons and act out.
Of course it is. We just have to trust that more charges are coming. This really is an enormous case.
I fear that Garland is such a stickler for process that he will fritter away the window of opportunity trying to be 100% correct at every turn.
He has to be a stickler. These are enormous charges and cases must be airtight.
So, they will be the most airtight cases ever to be set aside by a newly re-elected President's latest corrupt AG.
Woop-de-doo.
I sincerely do not believe that Trump will be re-elected. I seriously doubt he will run. From what I hear, his health continues to decline and so do the number and fervor of his followers. Wide speculation that he's only dangling his 'campaign' for the grift.
In making the decision to run, Trump will not take his declining health into account, he will the issue away by fervent denial--unless dementia changes his personality drastically--which, I have heard, sometimes happens before the descent into obvious and continuous incoherence.
 

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Trump doesn't have declining health. He was the healthiest human to have ever existed before and now he's even healthiester. Just ask his crazy doctor being paid to say that.
 

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I think they should have charged some of the Proud Boys and their leadership with the same thing. They were using encrypted communication at some point, but a lot of their seditious talk and active support of violent insurrection was also going on in real time on Parler as they were doing it. Enrique Tarrio was linking quite a few threads and saying to go in and not give up. Threads he was linking were of Proud Boys committing crimes. I don't see how that can't all be evidence of seditious conspiracy especially when in context of planning to show up with weapons and act out.
Of course it is. We just have to trust that more charges are coming. This really is an enormous case.
I fear that Garland is such a stickler for process that he will fritter away the window of opportunity trying to be 100% correct at every turn.
He has to be a stickler. These are enormous charges and cases must be airtight.
So, they will be the most airtight cases ever to be set aside by a newly re-elected President's latest corrupt AG.
Woop-de-doo.
I sincerely do not believe that Trump will be re-elected. I seriously doubt he will run. From what I hear, his health continues to decline and so do the number and fervor of his followers. Wide speculation that he's only dangling his 'campaign' for the grift.
In making the decision to run, Trump will not take his declining health into account, he will the issue away by fervent denial--unless dementia changes his personality drastically--which, I have heard, sometimes happens before the descent into obvious and continuous incoherence.
The question is if the party will allow him to be their candidate. I’m not convinced he’d get the nomination.
 

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The question is if the party will allow him to be their candidate. I’m not convinced he’d get the nomination.
They are quite busy driving out anyone who would tell him, "No." Or even, "Maybe not?"
But i expect Don Jr to get the nomination.
Original Flavor Trump gets the glory, most of the money, acess, but none of the blame or the work.
 

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The question is if the party will allow him to be their candidate. I’m not convinced he’d get the nomination.

Which one of those weenies is going to fall on his sword by challenging Sir Donald to a nicknaming contest?
Seriously, hard to imagine Trump handing over anything to anyone ever.
 

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The question is if the party will allow him to be their candidate. I’m not convinced he’d get the nomination.

Which one of those weenies is going to fall on his sword by challenging Sir Donald to a nicknaming contest?
Seriously, hard to imagine Trump handing over anything to anyone ever.
Partially, it depends on how the sedition trials go. And who else gets arrested. Also: Mitch McConnell, reportedly on the outs with Trump, is also perhaps not terribly well. He's getting up there in years and frankly, he looks awful.
 

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The question is if the party will allow him to be their candidate. I’m not convinced he’d get the nomination.
They are quite busy driving out anyone who would tell him, "No." Or even, "Maybe not?"
But i expect Don Jr to get the nomination.
Original Flavor Trump gets the glory, most of the money, acess, but none of the blame or the work.
I don't think Don Jr. could win if Russia AND China worked their hardest to get him to the seat.
 

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I don't think Don Jr. could win if Russia AND China worked their hardest to get him to the seat.
:rimshot:
Prolly right. If Matty isn’t in jail … ?
Maybe Lauren Blobert can rouse him to an endorsement?
Nah, he isn’t handing over his fiefdom as long as he breathes.
 

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I sincerely do not believe that Trump will be re-elected. I seriously doubt he will run. From what I hear, his health continues to decline and so do the number and fervor of his followers. Wide speculation that he's only dangling his 'campaign' for the grift.

I sincerely hope that’s right. I’d like nothing better than seeing goobernor death sentence bungle a Presidential campaign and lose the Presidency and both houses of Congress (for real this time- a majority without the DINOs).

But if ANY trumpsucker gets the presidency, all the 1/6 traitors will have government jobs, cabinet positions etc. and it is unlikely that there will ever again be free and fair elections.
It's certainly true that Trump is only in it for the grift. His "loved ones" have probably suffered all the embarrassment and "public service" they can.

Good news is that Trump cares nothing about policy, service or the GOP. He's happy to see the GOP lose since that leads to MORE donations to his grifts, and more T-shirt sales for Junior. Growing older and increasingly incontinent, Trump may be an ASSET for the Democrats in upcoming elections.

But I'm not optimistic. If DeSantis or Tucker Carlson gets the nod they'll run — and win — on Trump's Stop-the-Steal agenda and America's 230-year experiment in democracy will be finished.

In ranked order, the winner of the 2024 election is projected by the Betfair market to be
Trump
Biden
DeSantis
Harris
with Haley, Pence, Buttigieg roughly tied for 5th place.

My own guess is that Nikki Haley will win the nomination and the Presidency. Haley is a right-winger and seems to support voter suppression, but so far she doesn't seem to be a hate-crazed Stop-the-Steal enthusiast.

Washington Post said:
Haley, arguing against the impeachment of Trump on Fox News, did allow that Jan. 6 was a “tough day” and that Trump’s actions since the election were “not his finest.”

That’s incredibly mild to begin with. But Haley continued: “Does he deserve to be impeached? Absolutely not.”
“I don’t even think there’s a basis for impeachment,” Haley said, adding: “They beat him up before he got into office. They’re beating him up after he leaves office. At some point, I mean, give the man a break!"
As she prepares to throw her hat in the ring, I assume she'll move more and more to the Trump camp, and away from her liberal sympathies for minorities.

Would there be any interest here in staging a Karachi Auction to bet on the outcome of the 2024 election? (All for pretend money of course.) The election is a long way away, but even when the tickets are sold out, there can still be an interesting after-market in the tickets.
 

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I sincerely do not believe that Trump will be re-elected. I seriously doubt he will run. From what I hear, his health continues to decline and so do the number and fervor of his followers. Wide speculation that he's only dangling his 'campaign' for the grift.

I sincerely hope that’s right. I’d like nothing better than seeing goobernor death sentence bungle a Presidential campaign and lose the Presidency and both houses of Congress (for real this time- a majority without the DINOs).

But if ANY trumpsucker gets the presidency, all the 1/6 traitors will have government jobs, cabinet positions etc. and it is unlikely that there will ever again be free and fair elections.
It's certainly true that Trump is only in it for the grift. His "loved ones" have probably suffered all the embarrassment and "public service" they can.

Good news is that Trump cares nothing about policy, service or the GOP. He's happy to see the GOP lose since that leads to MORE donations to his grifts, and more T-shirt sales for Junior. Growing older and increasingly incontinent, Trump may be an ASSET for the Democrats in upcoming elections.

But I'm not optimistic. If DeSantis or Tucker Carlson gets the nod they'll run — and win — on Trump's Stop-the-Steal agenda and America's 230-year experiment in democracy will be finished.

In ranked order, the winner of the 2024 election is projected by the Betfair market to be
Trump
Biden
DeSantis
Harris
with Haley, Pence, Buttigieg roughly tied for 5th place.

My own guess is that Nikki Haley will win the nomination and the Presidency. Haley is a right-winger and seems to support voter suppression, but so far she doesn't seem to be a hate-crazed Stop-the-Steal enthusiast.

Washington Post said:
Haley, arguing against the impeachment of Trump on Fox News, did allow that Jan. 6 was a “tough day” and that Trump’s actions since the election were “not his finest.”

That’s incredibly mild to begin with. But Haley continued: “Does he deserve to be impeached? Absolutely not.”
“I don’t even think there’s a basis for impeachment,” Haley said, adding: “They beat him up before he got into office. They’re beating him up after he leaves office. At some point, I mean, give the man a break!"
As she prepares to throw her hat in the ring, I assume she'll move more and more to the Trump camp, and away from her liberal sympathies for minorities.

Would there be any interest here in staging a Karachi Auction to bet on the outcome of the 2024 election? (All for pretend money of course.) The election is a long way away, but even when the tickets are sold out, there can still be an interesting after-market in the tickets.
I think that Nikki Haley has a reasonable chance to win the nomination. I don't see DeSantis or Tucker Carlson (?????omg just no) winning the nomination or the election.
 

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My own guess is that Nikki Haley will win the nomination and the Presidency. Haley is a right-winger and seems to support voter suppression, but so far she doesn't seem to be a hate-crazed Stop-the-Steal enthusiast.

Washington Post said:
Haley, arguing against the impeachment of Trump on Fox News, did allow that Jan. 6 was a “tough day” and that Trump’s actions since the election were “not his finest.”

That’s incredibly mild to begin with. But Haley continued: “Does he deserve to be impeached? Absolutely not.”
“I don’t even think there’s a basis for impeachment,” Haley said, adding: “They beat him up before he got into office. They’re beating him up after he leaves office. At some point, I mean, give the man a break!"
As she prepares to throw her hat in the ring, I assume she'll move more and more to the Trump camp, and away from her liberal sympathies for minorities.

Would there be any interest here in staging a Karachi Auction to bet on the outcome of the 2024 election? (All for pretend money of course.) The election is a long way away, but even when the tickets are sold out, there can still be an interesting after-market in the tickets.
I think that Nikki Haley has a reasonable chance to win the nomination. I don't see DeSantis or Tucker Carlson (?????omg just no) winning the nomination or the election.
If Nikki gets the nomination I think she'll be a big favorite to win in November. (An all-female final is likely; can Harris beat Haley?)

Nikki Haley may be a good-spirited pro-human person — though she is a strong proponent of suppressing black votes — but I'm afraid any instincts for good will be overriden. QOPAnon will soar to power on her coat-tails, and having tasted the delights of malicious power they will bring down American democracy.

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ETA: Earlier I mentioned the Betfair prediction market. That same market shows the GOP as almost 90% to win the House of Reps in 2022. They are also predicted to gain 1 or more seats in the Senate.
 
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In case anyone missed it, on Thursday night Tucker Carlson had one of these 11 folks as a special guest on his show.

Were there tough questions? No. The segment started with Tucker recounting the man's veteran status, continued with him allowing the seditious person to play an entire deck of victim cards, and ended with Carlson thanking him for taking the time to appear on his show.

He gave a person charged with attempting to overthrow the US government an entire segment of his very highly rated air time, and never said anything but a kind word or even attempted to ask "so was this a bad idea?"
 
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