Obama has destroyed the economy - But Sen. <insert Republican> has saved the world

[Jimmy Higgins]

Heard a radio ad for Sen. Portman. He went into office in '10. The economy wasn't doing the greatest (in fact people were saying it was Armageddon... please ignore the crash happened in '08, not '10), but thanks to his leadership things have improved greatly. More jobs in Ohio! It is all Portman's doing!!!

Political Cognitive Dissonance as the rule in 2016 for the Republicans?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

My last drink of Red Bull was in 2009. Since that time unemployment has fallen to less than 5%. You do the math.

 

[Derec]

My last drink of Red Bull was in 2009. Since that time unemployment has fallen to less than 5%. You do the math.

Between 2010 and 2013 Red Bull won four consecutive driver's (with Sebastian Vettel) and constructor's championships. Obviously you were holding them back. What happened in 2014? Did you fall off the wagon?

 

[SimpleDon]

The best that you can say for Obama's handling of the economy after 2010 when the Democrats lost the House of Representatives is that he managed to minimize the damage that the Republicans wanted to do to the economy.

 

[coloradoatheist]

The best that you can say for Obama's handling of the economy after 2010 when the Democrats lost the House of Representatives is that he managed to minimize the damage that the Republicans wanted to do to the economy.

That's a hard message to prove to voters, hey you voted in Republicans and the economy is doing better but with our crystal ball it would have done better.


Presidents don't have much say on the economy, Congress has more power.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

My last drink of Red Bull was in 2009. Since that time unemployment has fallen to less than 5%. You do the math.

What goes in one end in time comes out the other. Thus, I conclude that your logic is Red Bull shit!

 

[Nice Squirrel]

My last drink of Red Bull was in 2009. Since that time unemployment has fallen to less than 5%. You do the math.

What goes in one end in time comes out the other. Thus, I conclude that your logic is Red Bull shit!

Disprove it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The best that you can say for Obama's handling of the economy after 2010 when the Democrats lost the House of Representatives is that he managed to minimize the damage that the Republicans wanted to do to the economy.

That's a hard message to prove to voters, hey you voted in Republicans and the economy is doing better but with our crystal ball it would have done better.

It'd be hard to argue that the Republicans worked to help the economy with the grandstanding with the budget and the 1023894905328520 attempts to repeal the ACA.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Paul Krugman noted the Jebber pulled this crap. Claimed that under his governership, Florida did economically well. Krugman points out Florida was one of the states that did well with the real estate bubble that Bush had nothing to do with, except not looking much into the details of what was going on. Of course the Jebber did not take responsibility when the real estate bubble burst and gave us the worst economic downturn since the Depression.

 

[coloradoatheist]

That's a hard message to prove to voters, hey you voted in Republicans and the economy is doing better but with our crystal ball it would have done better.

It'd be hard to argue that the Republicans worked to help the economy with the grandstanding with the budget and the 1023894905328520 attempts to repeal the ACA.

They didn't get anything done with the ACA. And there is an argument to be made that the economy does do better when the government stays out of it.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

It'd be hard to argue that the Republicans worked to help the economy with the grandstanding with the budget and the 1023894905328520 attempts to repeal the ACA.

They didn't get anything done with the ACA. And there is an argument to be made that the economy does do better when the government stays out of it.

With the exception is it doesn't and for every government horror story you bring up I can bring up two successes.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It'd be hard to argue that the Republicans worked to help the economy with the grandstanding with the budget and the 1023894905328520 attempts to repeal the ACA.

They didn't get anything done with the ACA. And there is an argument to be made that the economy does do better when the government stays out of it.

And when the Government can't pass a budget a week before a default? And as Nice Squirrel notes, GM / Chrysler / Conrail are examples of them getting involved and it working, with GM / Chrysler being pretty recent examples. Oh and TARP. Remember when the global economy nearly evaporated because private banks / Hedge funds / rating agencies fucked the world?

 

[coloradoatheist]

They didn't get anything done with the ACA. And there is an argument to be made that the economy does do better when the government stays out of it.

With the exception is it doesn't and for every government horror story you bring up I can bring up two successes.

It is the argument that economists disagree on. But the parties will come with that argument, you elected us to government and the economy has improved since we our elections.

 

[arkirk]

It'd be hard to argue that the Republicans worked to help the economy with the grandstanding with the budget and the 1023894905328520 attempts to repeal the ACA.

They didn't get anything done with the ACA. And there is an argument to be made that the economy does do better when the government stays out of it.

That is a crazy idea. It is a little more subtle than that. The economy does better when conditions exist within the economy that do not demand government intervention. That kind of world is long gone. We need to learn how to socialize our government and at the same time enforce human rights. The world is giving us problems that demand government intervention...bubbles, pollution, corruption, racism, oh the list is pretty long.

 

[coloradoatheist]

They didn't get anything done with the ACA. And there is an argument to be made that the economy does do better when the government stays out of it.

That is a crazy idea. It is a little more subtle than that. The economy does better when conditions exist within the economy that do not demand government intervention. That kind of world is long gone. We need to learn how to socialize our government and at the same time enforce human rights. The world is giving us problems that demand government intervention...bubbles, pollution, corruption, racism, oh the list is pretty long.

No. The government can easily put in solutions that make the problem even worse than the problem they were trying to solve. Sarbanes and Oaxley was created because of Enron however that doesn't mean that it didn't cause more issues than it solved. Min wage, ADA, etc. Longer periods of unemployment are disincentives to work. Just some examples.

 

[untermensche]

Every president since Roosevelt (Teddy) has done little but try to patch a leaky always sinking boat.

Why they keep this decrepit ship afloat is answered by who pays their campaign bills.

 

[fromderinside]

With the exception is it doesn't and for every government horror story you bring up I can bring up two successes.

It is the argument that economists disagree on. But the parties will come with that argument, you elected us to government and the economy has improved since we our elections.

No disagreement among the economists of which economy does better when reps or dems are running the political show. The economy is demonstrably better when dems are running the administrative side of things. Repups argue it would do even better if the dems didn't do social agenda stuff. That's not an argument really since economies run better when a dem is pres. 'tis impossible to refute the numbers. When a dem is president the economy performs better than when a repub is president. Clinton economy did better than both Raygun and Bush I, Obama's economy is way better than Bush II. Carter was way better than Bush. Kennedy, Johnson were way better than Nixon and Truman's economy did way better than Eisenhower's. Just too easy to spot. Elect a democrat his economy will perform better than if you elect a republican.

poof.