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Obama's Two Mistakes That Lost the Country

Gerrymandering lost the Democrats the Congress, not Obama.

How does that work again? District lines are drawn following the 10 year census. The Democrats won many seats and a majority in Congress in 2006 and 2008, but lost badly in 2010...before the census results spawned redistricting (generally in 2011 and after).

Gerrymandering did not toss out all those Democrats, Obama and his Democratic Congress did it to themselves.
 
Gerrymandering lost the Democrats the Congress, not Obama.

How does that work again? District lines are drawn following the 10 year census. The Democrats won many seats and a majority in Congress in 2006 and 2008, but lost badly in 2010...before the census results spawned redistricting (generally in 2011 and after).

Gerrymandering did not toss out all those Democrats, Obama and his Democratic Congress did it to themselves.

The Democrats won in spite of insane Gerrymandering a few times. All that proves is how popular they were.
 
Gerrymandering lost the Democrats the Congress, not Obama.

Can you detail out the gerrymandering that occurred to affect the election of 2010, and how such gerrymandering was the reason for the defeat of the Democrats in that election?

Please be specific on the gerrymandering that was in effect for the election of 2010 that was not in effect for the election of 2008.
 
You mean where he bent over backwards to get Republican support and was basically offering free handjobs in the Oval Office to anyone from the GOP just so he could say he got one vote from them and dismissed left wing implementations of the healthcare package out of hand in favour of a middle of the road solution which neither side ended up liking?

LOL @ bent over backwards to get Republican support for his massive new socialized medicine plan. That he passed with corrupt deals, reconciliation maneuvers, lack of popular support, etc, etc.

A fucking Republican health care plan? Did you hit your head and forget literally everything?
 
Gerrymandering lost the Democrats the Congress, not Obama.

Can you detail out the gerrymandering that occurred to affect the election of 2010, and how such gerrymandering was the reason for the defeat of the Democrats in that election?

Please be specific on the gerrymandering that was in effect for the election of 2010 that was not in effect for the election of 2008.

I'll do that right after you come over and paint my house.

If you think you can prove me wrong, do it.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/6/29/1394141/-Republicans-rigged-the-House-through-gerrymandering-Democrats-can-fight-back-at-the-ballot-box

The numbers are stark: Fifty-five percent of the nation's congressional districts were drawn to favor Republicans while only 10 percent were drawn to favor Democrats, with the balance drawn independently.

"In a classic Kinsley gaffe, the Republican State Leadership Committee released a report boasting that the only reason the GOP controls the House of Representatives is because they gerrymandered congressional districts in blue states."]In a classic Kinsley gaffe, the Republican State Leadership Committee released a report boasting that the only reason the GOP controls the House of Representatives is because they gerrymandered congressional districts in blue states.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/17/1459991/rslc-gerrymandering-house/

This crap is anti-democratic.

Despite Democratic gains that narrowed the Republican majority in the House of Representatives, election results in state legislatures on Tuesday have put Republicans in position to overcome those losses in 2002 by the creation of safe Republican seats as districts are reshaped through reapportionment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/09/us/the-2000-elections-the-state-legislature-gop-gains-a-future-edge-in-districting.html

There is at least some evidence in support of my position as opposed to yours, which is pure opinion, "Obama did it".

And also a lack of understanding that correlation does not equate to causation.
 
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I feel like the incantations of Democrat faith in this thread should be accompanied by some ritual chanting.

Obamacare was a republican plan. Domine elaison.
Obamacare is working! Christe elaison.
Democrats lost all those statewide elections due to Gerrymandering.Domine elaison.
Bernie Sanders will redeem the world. Christe elaison.
 
I feel like the incantations of Democrat faith in this thread should be accompanied by some ritual chanting.

Obamacare was a republican plan. Domine elaison.
Obamacare is working! Christe elaison.
Democrats lost all those statewide elections due to Gerrymandering.Domine elaison.
Bernie Sanders will redeem the world. Christe elaison.

It is much more a severe dislike for Republican policies than any great love of the Democrats.

Vote Republican.

Remember how great GW made things.
 
Careful Sakuni, its one thing to cheat, but its another to convince yourself that cheating makes you better than the other guy.
 
Its not about Obama at all. Its about Americans turning inward, away from the world, toward isolation, and away from the way thing are and meant to be by our spirit. We're again suffering buyer's remorse over a constitution we don[t want to keep, a document that says secular and inclusion while we want religious and the isolation prejudice provides. Its not too much of a leap to say the first guys here after Renaissance are pissed of about being overrun by the smalling, integrating world and the loss of dominance so sweetly savored when the Soviet Union collapsed.

Its not about Obama at all. Its about keeping women in their place, discriminating against all who are not western European in origin. A wanting to return to property over our scribed declaration of happiness and wanting to present an religious crusading front against those who would take the world to anarchy.

Face it. At our undemocratic core we're isolationist fanatical bigots.
 
Its not about Obama at all. Its about Americans turning inward, away from the world, toward isolation, and away from the way thing are and meant to be by our spirit. We're again suffering buyer's remorse over a constitution we don[t want to keep, a document that says secular and inclusion while we want religious and the isolation prejudice provides. Its not too much of a leap to say the first guys here after Renaissance are pissed of about being overrun by the smalling, integrating world and the loss of dominance so sweetly savored when the Soviet Union collapsed.

Its not about Obama at all. Its about keeping women in their place, discriminating against all who are not western European in origin. A wanting to return to property over our scribed declaration of happiness and wanting to present an religious crusading front against those who would take the world to anarchy.

Face it. At our undemocratic core we're isolationist fanatical bigots.

But you're making decent Star Wars movies again, so it's not all bad and you've proven that you can learn from your mistakes and turn things around.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-morris/obamas-two-mistakes-that_b_8854226.html



And he has no one to blame really other than himself for these lapses.

Apparently a generational label for the current American left is overdue. Historian John P. Diggins (in 1992) identified four generations in his historical overview: the Lyrical Left, the Old Left, the New Left and the Academic Left. After reading David Morris, it seems overdue to identify a new category - the theory-less lumpen left.

The article is left populism, a seething rant against their usual demonic 'evil doers' (banks, insurance companies, mortgage companies, Wall Street, "giant corporations", etc.) and their machinations in the great recession. And what remains, by article end, is a residue of bitterness against Obama not doing more - his "more" not being measured by the degree of recovery from the recession (that seems irrelevant to the author), but in Obama's failure to punish individual enemies and dismantle the institutional class enemies.

What an opportunity for political exploitation - lost! In the venerable tradition of Huey Long and Elizabeth Warren Mr. Morris wanted the streets filled with financial blood. He bemoans "the could have been" had Obama mounted the barricades, red flag flying behind his upturned gaze, fist clenching the air in defiance, to the cheers of the yearning masses of proto-revolutionaries - why, Morris wonders, didn't he turn the capitalists over to those with the pitchforks?

Perhaps because, unlike the author, Obama was aware of he was not elected as Tsar or a one-party Chairman the the American Soviet? Might it have something to do with Congressional majority that contained cooler and more moderate Democrats? You know, like the ones that supported Obamacare but rejected a single payer Medicare system?

Or might it be that Obama made "the mistake" of listening to his own well educated economists, his own Treasury secretary, and his own financial system experts on the path to, and priority of, recovery?

Or, finally, might it be that he was well aware that his win and his Congress was the result of the "perfect storm" of a unpopular war, deep recession, a major hurricane, and several years of effective (and relentless) Republican bashing rhetoric over a "culture of corruption"? Could it be that he understood that his coalition was a fragile and temporary deviation, one that needed nurtured against the coming backlash?

I am not one to defend Obama, but its difficult to see how he could have been expected to do much more. Very shortly after he took office, a grass roots Tea Party arose to fight his "creeping socialism", his wall street supporters balked (e.g. Dimon), and his bank bashing class rhetoric effectively terrorized and alienated the blue dog moderates in his party's Congress. People were looking for a unify-er and hope generator, not a revolutionary.

It was not enough to be adored by academia, teachers, blacks, students, government employees, single women, the gays, the unions, wind power boosters, illegals, and Hollywood...although you wouldn't know it listening to the lumpen left.

As it was, the blue dogs got wiped out in 2010 and then, in spite of Republican blunders, so did many Democratic Senators (in 2014).

Guess it goes to that the lumpen, of either party, never let's reality cloud their passions (or bitterness).

Guys, you need to recognize that my posts are so awesome that I even got max to defend Obummer.
 
...Face it. At our undemocratic core we're isolationist fanatical bigots.

One can say anything is the "core". I say our core is the inscription on the Statue of Liberty. I see a multicultural society.

There are of course people in the US that fit those characteristics.

And Donald Trump speaks to their soul.
 
...Face it. At our undemocratic core we're isolationist fanatical bigots.

One can say anything is the "core". I say our core is the inscription on the Statue of Liberty. I see a multicultural society.

There are of course people in the US that fit those characteristics.

And Donald Trump speaks to their soul.

Let me go further then.

Humans are, at their core, isolationist fanatical bigots. We are a species that demands cooperating social to stay viable who will never make a societal pact that works against fitness. We may be the only top predator, but, we still have ourselves as prey.

I double your Trump.
 
One can say anything is the "core". I say our core is the inscription on the Statue of Liberty. I see a multicultural society.

There are of course people in the US that fit those characteristics.

And Donald Trump speaks to their soul.

Let me go further then.

Humans are, at their core, isolationist fanatical bigots. We are a species that demands cooperating social to stay viable who will never make a societal pact that works against fitness. We may be the only top predator, but, we still have ourselves as prey.

I double your Trump.

I think there is always the threat of that, but the species has invented these "concepts", like democracy, and justice, and can be prey to them as well as internal "programming".
 
Let me go further then.

Humans are, at their core, isolationist fanatical bigots. We are a species that demands cooperating social to stay viable who will never make a societal pact that works against fitness. We may be the only top predator, but, we still have ourselves as prey.

I double your Trump.

I think there is always the threat of that, but the species has invented these "concepts", like democracy, and justice, and can be prey to them as well as internal "programming".

Its a matter of time actually. If some governmental or cultural practices become embedded long enough and widely enough eventually they will reflect genetic requisites. Its a thing called evolution. Our problem seems to be that we've got a bias so strong toward competition as dominance that we'll never become bonobo like. Even now after about 3000 years democracy is still a minority system and even that is usually infested with hierarchy and dominance.
 
I think there is always the threat of that, but the species has invented these "concepts", like democracy, and justice, and can be prey to them as well as internal "programming".

Its a matter of time actually. If some governmental or cultural practices become embedded long enough and widely enough eventually they will reflect genetic requisites. Its a thing called evolution. Our problem seems to be that we've got a bias so strong toward competition as dominance that we'll never become bonobo like. Even now after about 3000 years democracy is still a minority system and even that is usually infested with hierarchy and dominance.

Cooperation can be a "fitness" that is favored by evolution. If those who cooperate do better than those who instill "every man for himself".
 
Its a matter of time actually. If some governmental or cultural practices become embedded long enough and widely enough eventually they will reflect genetic requisites. Its a thing called evolution. Our problem seems to be that we've got a bias so strong toward competition as dominance that we'll never become bonobo like. Even now after about 3000 years democracy is still a minority system and even that is usually infested with hierarchy and dominance.

Cooperation can be a "fitness" that is favored by evolution. If those who cooperate do better than those who instill "every man for himself".

We are the poor unallied...the fucking atheists who can never get elected because christians are afraid that Armageddon would happen if our kind ever came to power. We watch these clowns called politicians and criticize but really to what end? We remain outside the range of what is considered real human beings. Well Bernie is a fucking atheist...there goes the neighborhood....and possibly there goes the election to a lady who is secretly a man or worse...a Trump. Both of these people stutter and support the faith....er uh...really?;)
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Its a matter of time actually. If some governmental or cultural practices become embedded long enough and widely enough eventually they will reflect genetic requisites. Its a thing called evolution. Our problem seems to be that we've got a bias so strong toward competition as dominance that we'll never become bonobo like. Even now after about 3000 years democracy is still a minority system and even that is usually infested with hierarchy and dominance.

Cooperation can be a "fitness" that is favored by evolution. If those who cooperate do better than those who instill "every man for himself".

Cooperation is subordinate to other behaviors. Is this necessary? We con't know. There are species built on cooperation that seem to be pretty well regulated and fixed (ants). There I see two major problems. Communication is chemical Social systems are limited to isolates since inbreeding is the variety attendant form of reproduction (sharing three quarters of ancestor genes). High probability of variety extinction on both counts.

Among species that are individuals, but social, breeding is by pairing passing through individual competitiveness above other tendencies it seems to me.

But we are really getting pretty far afield here. I don't think any of this relates to Obama's two mistakes. Rather I probably unintentionally hijacked out of interest in explaining acculturation as the main form for political advancement of cooperation.
 
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