OK schools go to 4 day weeks so that teachers can get second jobs

[Underseer]

https://boingboing.net/2018/02/07/this-is-not-ok.html

In 1992, Oklahoma passed a ballot initiative saying that the state could only raise taxes with a three quarters majority in the state assembly, creating a one-way ratchet where every tax cut becomes effectively permanent, including the sweetheart deals cut for frackers and the deep cuts to taxes on the wealthiest residents of the state.

As a result, the state is going broke. Teachers haven't gotten a raise in 10 years and the only way they can afford to accept the pay -- third-worst in the nation -- is by negotiating a four-day school week in 90 districts, freeing teachers up to take jobs at Walmart on Mondays to make ends meet.

Hey, that's how you attract top quality teachers to your state!

Actually, this is probably smart. Would it actually change anything in the world if they closed down every school in Oklahoma? It's Oklahoma for crying out loud. They probably think computers are powered by witchcraft.

Anyway, for those of you living in states that actually matter, if you think public education is expensive, then you have not adequately considered the cost of having a population that is even dumber. You know, like Oklahoma.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Underseer, this is a February article.

There have been several articles on it.

CBS 2/2018

That article notes that second jobs are common for Oklahoma teachers. Oi!

WP 5/2017

This article says it is becoming more popular.

 

[Underseer]

Underseer, this is a February article.

There have been several articles on it.

CBS 2/2018

That article notes that second jobs are common for Oklahoma teachers. Oi!

WP 5/2017

This article says it is becoming more popular.

Ah, so this has been going on a for a long time.

I was right. It honestly wouldn't make a difference if OK children got a decent education, or even got educated at all.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

My favorite part of one of the articles was critical that lower income students depend on school for breakfast and lunch.

Yup, our country is so fucked up, schools have become de facto soup kitchens for the poor because we can't afford to pay people enough money to feed their kids at home!

 

[Elixir]

My favorite part of one of the articles was critical that lower income students depend on school for breakfast and lunch.

Yup, our country is so fucked up, schools have become de facto soup kitchens for the poor because we can't afford to pay people enough money to feed their kids at home!

The Trump economy is THAT robust!

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

My favorite part of one of the articles was critical that lower income students depend on school for breakfast and lunch.

Yup, our country is so fucked up, schools have become de facto soup kitchens for the poor because we can't afford to pay people enough money to feed their kids at home!

I remember this program back when I was a kid. I'd arrive at school and as I was walking past the cafeteria there were kids getting a free breakfast. I remember being one of the few that paid for lunch. This was a long time ago so this is hardly new. This was under Carter.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Then isn’t it decades past the fucking time to get off your asses and start doing something about it?

 

[barbos]

4 days week? We had 6 day week, lost so much time.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I remember being one of the few that paid for lunch.

Making kids work in factories to pay for lunch should be banned.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I remember being one of the few that paid for lunch.

Making kids work in factories to pay for lunch should be banned.

Okay. Who said that kids should work in factories to pay for lunch anyway?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I remember being one of the few that paid for lunch.

Making kids work in factories to pay for lunch should be banned.

Okay. Who said that kids should work in factories to pay for lunch anyway?

Alright, let me say that you either worked hard for your lunch, someone else did, or a bunch of people did. In my case, my grandmother worked many years paying into the system and voted democrat so that her tax money could be used to pay for kids' lunches and for other social programs. Did you really pay for your lunch or did your parent(s) work hard for it?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Ah I see. You are quibbling over a verbal short-hand that I used.

My family's income was above the threshold to qualify for free or reduced lunch.

But you knew I meant that.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Ah I see. You are quibbling over a verbal short-hand that I used.

My family's income was above the threshold to qualify for free or reduced lunch.

But you knew I meant that.

No I am not quibbling. You wrote with a resentful tone that you had to pay for your lunch while other kids got free breakfast. You didn't pay but someone else did. I am responding that you were being taken care of by your parent(s) while meanwhile those other kids also have family and other people willing to pay taxes to pay their breakfast. The Man wants you to feel different, to divide and conquer, but you had way more in common with those kids than you thought.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

No I am not quibbling.

It was clearly a quibble.

You wrote with a resentful tone that you had to pay for your lunch while other kids got free breakfast.

You impute a resentful tone where there wasn't one.

You didn't pay but someone else did.

That was already clear to anyone not being pedantic.

I am responding that you were being taken care of by your parent(s) while meanwhile those other kids also have family and other people willing to pay taxes to pay their breakfast.

That was already clear to anyone not being pedantic.

The Man wants you to feel different, to divide and conquer, but you had way more in common with those kids than you thought.

So you are a conspiracy theorist?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I remember being one of the few that paid for lunch.

In Akron, it actually became a thing where it was cheaper to just give lunch and breakfast to anyone that asks, than to pay people to see who is qualified for free meals.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

...quibble.... pedantic....pedantic...

It is not quibbling to post with substance which I did but your post has no substance. Like I wrote:

I am responding that you were being taken care of by your parent(s) while meanwhile those other kids also have family and other people willing to pay taxes to pay their breakfast.

If you had no resentful tone, then do tell us all why you brought up that "you" paid for your lunch while other kids got "free" breakfast in a political forum as a Libertarian which party typically has a certain stance on social programs. And do so with actual substance this time.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

...quibble.... pedantic....pedantic...

It is not quibbling

Your post most certainly was pedantic quibbling over minor details willfully misinterpreted.

If you had no resentful tone,

Which I didn't.

then do tell us all why you brought up that "you" paid for your lunch while other kids got "free" breakfast

Ask without falsely accusing me of resentment and I will do so.

Or go back to the pedantic quibbling over minor details willfully misinterpreted that you prefer.

 

[starwater]

Your post most certainly was pedantic quibbling over minor details willfully misinterpreted.

If you had no resentful tone,

Which I didn't.

then do tell us all why you brought up that "you" paid for your lunch while other kids got "free" breakfast

Ask without falsely accusing me of resentment and I will do so.

Or go back to the pedantic quibbling over minor details willfully misinterpreted that you prefer.

Tell us why you wrote what you did then.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Your post most certainly was pedantic quibbling over minor details willfully misinterpreted.



Which I didn't.



Ask without falsely accusing me of resentment and I will do so.

Or go back to the pedantic quibbling over minor details willfully misinterpreted that you prefer.

Tell us why you wrote what you did then.

I guess the other possibility is that it is coincidence: a non sequitur with details that are irrelevant but the poster does not realize it.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Your post most certainly was pedantic quibbling over minor details willfully misinterpreted.



Which I didn't.



Ask without falsely accusing me of resentment and I will do so.

Or go back to the pedantic quibbling over minor details willfully misinterpreted that you prefer.

Tell us why you wrote what you did then.

The first few posts in this thread had a tone of this being something new, and I pointed out that it wasn't. Tom Sawyer understood it, but that was because he didn't decide to misunderstand it.