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Is there something wrong with the way Americans do business? There are countries that have a higher minimum wage rates, yet their economy or employment rate is not in decline because of a higher minimum wage rate.

Suppressing the minimum wage is one of the ways that we have suppressed the wages of the 99% to redistribute more income to the 1%. This is the one consistent goal of conservatives in this country for more than a century since the income tax was voted in in 1913, don't quote me on the date it is from memory, I believe.

They are reluctant to give up on this one means of suppressing the wages of the poor and the middle class because they are afraid that it won't produce the horrors that they routinely predict and that other wage boosting measures will follow the increase in the minimum wage.

This is really an argument about the effectiveness of their economic policies to make all of us rich by making the already rich even richer first. After thirty five years it is rather obvious that this set of policies, that is neoliberal economics, supply side economics, trickle down economics, Reaganomics, Thatchernomics, Hatcherism, etc. has made the rich much richer while leaving everyone else poorer. They refuse to discuss the policies as a whole, see my thread on it, titled something like the "Republican presidential candidates fealty to a failed economic policy." Our resident conservatives avoided it like they would a plague, uninterested or unable to defend their one clear economic policy position.

One of our many Republican presidential candidates, Rubio I think, has proposed eliminating all of the taxes on dividends, capital gains, inheritance and corporate profits. These are taxes that are paid almost exclusively by the rich. He would pay for it through increased national debt, about an extra $125 billion a year and by cutting Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. Another, Rand Paul has proposed a flat tax on income that will lower the taxes on the rich and raise them on everyone else.

The only time that they are willing to discuss this is when they can repeat their memorized arguments in these backfires like the minimum wage or unions or decreased taxes on the rich and increased taxes on everyone else. They now claim that these positions that they take like suppressing the minimum wage are in the best interests of the poor and have nothing to do with redistributing income to the already rich. Because redistribution is what the liberals want to do and that it is only bad when we redistribute income from the rich to everyone else and that it is not even possible to redistribute income from everyone else to the already rich and that the reason that the very rich have gotten much richer over the last thirty five years isn't because of the economic policies that were instituted to do exactly that it is because of the wholesome natural goodness of the already rich or some unknown and unknowable factor that is new in the economy.
 
Is there something wrong with the way Americans do business? There are countries that have a higher minimum wage rates, yet their economy or employment rate is not in decline because of a higher minimum wage rate.

Consider an example of such a country that has been mentioned on here before: Australia.

1) They have a training wage that provides many of the same benefits of providing a stepping stone into the labor market. Remember, at least pre-2008 only 1% of workers in the US actually worked for minimum wage. (I haven't seen more recent data. Beware of "at or below minimum wage"--that includes tipped workers, many of whom make well above minimum wage once tips are counted.)

2) Purchasing power parity. The cost of living down there is much higher than in the US. The majority of the minimum wage difference is reflected in this--and that's using government data that I find suspect in such matters. (The crowdsourced data I have seen on such comparisons always shows bigger differences.)
 
Another couple of charts showing the impact:

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In September, 2014, Los Angeles City approved hike to the minimum wage for hotel workers of $15.37. The wage went into effect in July, 2015, for hotels with 300 or more rooms, and will go into effect July, 2016 for 150-plus-room hotels. Given the delay in the wage hike, it is not obvious that employment would be affected already. But BLS data on the accommodations industry (NAICS 721) for Los Angeles county is starting to look like serious impacts are occurring already.

https://www.economy.com/dismal/anal...-Signs-of-Minimum-Wage-Damage-in-Los-Angeles/
 
Is there something wrong with the way Americans do business? There are countries that have a higher minimum wage rates, yet their economy or employment rate is not in decline because of a higher minimum wage rate.

Consider an example of such a country that has been mentioned on here before: Australia.

1) They have a training wage that provides many of the same benefits of providing a stepping stone into the labor market. Remember, at least pre-2008 only 1% of workers in the US actually worked for minimum wage. (I haven't seen more recent data. Beware of "at or below minimum wage"--that includes tipped workers, many of whom make well above minimum wage once tips are counted.)

2) Purchasing power parity. The cost of living down there is much higher than in the US. The majority of the minimum wage difference is reflected in this--and that's using government data that I find suspect in such matters. (The crowdsourced data I have seen on such comparisons always shows bigger differences.)

There have been numerous threads on the minimum wage issue, and I have provided figures several times that show that Australia's minimum pay rate is significantly higher than America's even when the cost of living is considered, something like 30% higher purchasing power if I remember correctly.

Then you need to consider other benefits such as superannuation and medicare. Workers on minimum pay rate are significantly better off in Australia than in America.

The new pay rate is a step in the right direction, but it still doesn't go far enough.
 
No, the burden of proof is on your side to show why labor is an exception to the basic pattern.
Sigh, I see logic is not your strong point here. You made an argument that is based on a number of assumptions about reality, and you refuse to justify or substantiate them. So, this is just another example of you pulling an argument out of your ____ and expecting people to accept it.
 
Yep. Higher wages are driving businesses to cut hours... oh wait.

http://www.kare11.com/story/life/2015/08/22/local-pizzeria-coping-with-chef-shortage/32168767/


Brown wonders if the cause of the chef shortage could also be attributed to an explosion in new restaurants along with a generation gap when it comes to a younger workforce.

"Yes, we can offer people more money, it's about people that want to be here. It doesn't matter how much you pay someone, they have to want to do this," said Brown. "It's about finding that drive and you can't teach that, I can't teach that to people. It's impossible."
 
Yep. Higher wages are driving businesses to cut hours... oh wait.

http://www.kare11.com/story/life/2015/08/22/local-pizzeria-coping-with-chef-shortage/32168767/


Brown wonders if the cause of the chef shortage could also be attributed to an explosion in new restaurants along with a generation gap when it comes to a younger workforce.

"Yes, we can offer people more money, it's about people that want to be here. It doesn't matter how much you pay someone, they have to want to do this," said Brown. "It's about finding that drive and you can't teach that, I can't teach that to people. It's impossible."

THE DEVIL YOU SAY!!

You mean that wages and wages alone do NOT drive or stagnate employment???

YOU MUST BE MAD! MAD I SAY!
 

THE DEVIL YOU SAY!!

You mean that wages and wages alone do NOT drive or stagnate employment???

YOU MUST BE MAD! MAD I SAY!

Yes I know. Listen to that employer, looking for a certain type of person instead of a meat body to pay at the lowest possible price.
 
Consider an example of such a country that has been mentioned on here before: Australia.

1) They have a training wage that provides many of the same benefits of providing a stepping stone into the labor market. Remember, at least pre-2008 only 1% of workers in the US actually worked for minimum wage. (I haven't seen more recent data. Beware of "at or below minimum wage"--that includes tipped workers, many of whom make well above minimum wage once tips are counted.)

2) Purchasing power parity. The cost of living down there is much higher than in the US. The majority of the minimum wage difference is reflected in this--and that's using government data that I find suspect in such matters. (The crowdsourced data I have seen on such comparisons always shows bigger differences.)

There have been numerous threads on the minimum wage issue, and I have provided figures several times that show that Australia's minimum pay rate is significantly higher than America's even when the cost of living is considered, something like 30% higher purchasing power if I remember correctly.

Then you need to consider other benefits such as superannuation and medicare. Workers on minimum pay rate are significantly better off in Australia than in America.

The new pay rate is a step in the right direction, but it still doesn't go far enough.

PPP + training wage means our guys are ahead of yours. And if you're still at minimum wage after a few years in the workforce you have a personal problem.
 
PPP + training wage means our guys are ahead of yours. And if you're still at minimum wage after a few years in the workforce you have a personal problem.


Are you suggesting that most of the workers on MW in America are upwardly mobile? That only those who have personal problems remain on MW? That the majority of MW employees are training for better positions with higher pay? That MW is an aid toward this goal?

If so, can you give more a more detailed explanation of how this world, with stats to support the claim?
 
PPP + training wage means our guys are ahead of yours. And if you're still at minimum wage after a few years in the workforce you have a personal problem.


Are you suggesting that most of the workers on MW in America are upwardly mobile? That only those who have personal problems remain on MW? That the majority of MW employees are training for better positions with higher pay? That MW is an aid toward this goal?

If so, can you give more a more detailed explanation of how this world, with stats to support the claim?

At least pre-2009 (I haven't seen more recent data) only 1% of workers were minimum wage. A good portion of those were teenagers in their first job.

Does that not make it clear there is quite a bit of upward mobility??
 
Are you suggesting that most of the workers on MW in America are upwardly mobile? That only those who have personal problems remain on MW? That the majority of MW employees are training for better positions with higher pay? That MW is an aid toward this goal?

If so, can you give more a more detailed explanation of how this world, with stats to support the claim?

At least pre-2009 (I haven't seen more recent data) only 1% of workers were minimum wage. A good portion of those were teenagers in their first job.
Guess how I know you see any actual any "data"?

Go on. Guess.:D
 
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