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Hi I thought this topic might be permissible in this forum if discussed in a clinical way....

I just watched a movie about a Jewish Nazi called "The Believer". I was interested in the following part: (where the Jewish Nazi is "Danny")

I thought that since he is Jewish and turns anti-Nazi and pro-Jewish in the end this isn't really racist???

https://dailyscript.com/scripts/thebeliever.html
DANNY
Jewish girls like to give head, right?

GUY
I don't know. Is that right?

DANNY
And Jewish men like to get it.

GUY
Everybody likes to, don't they?

DANNY
Yes. It's very pleasurable. But the
Jews are obsessed with it. You know why?

GUY
Why?

DANNY
Because the Jew is essentially female.

GUY
Female...

DANNY
Real men -- white, Christian men --
we f*** a woman. We make her come
with our c**ks. But the Jew doesn't
like to penetrate and thrust -- he
can't assert himself that directly --
so he resorts to perversions. Oral
sex is technically a perversion, you
know that, don't you?
(as Guy nods)
After a woman has been with a Jewish
man, she never wants a normal partner
again. A normal man.

GUY
Does that mean the Jew is the better
lover?

DANNY
You're not listening. He isn't better.
He gives pleasure, but that's
actually a weakness.

About oral sex being a "perversion" - well my sisters' Pentecostal pastor once said in a sermon "there are some places where a mouth is not meant to go".

On the topic of pleasure though I heard that men who have been circumcised (like Jewish men) would feel less pleasure.

It seems the quote is talking both about oral sex given to men and oral sex given to women.
 

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"Open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it." - Psalm 81

Once used, to thrilling effect, on a church sign -- you can google this historic sight:

OPEN YOUR MOUTH &
I WILL FILL IT

PAUL MYERS - PASTOR

That's a church I would attend, and I'd sit up front and add to the collection plate.
 

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Sexual taboos are one of the stranger aspects of being human. At one end of the spectrum is, "If it feels good, do it." On the other end is, "If it feels good, don't do it."

Another strange aspect of humanity is the confusion that results from overlaying our base instincts with learned rational thought processes. No one teaches a dog about sex and assuming one reaches maturity with its reproductive parts intact, it maybe clumsy on first try, and who isn't, they know what they want and how to get it.

For a human in the same situation, sex is intricately woven into a fabric of social status and power. Humans are the only species where practically every other human will cooperate to prevent two people from having sex with each other. It's a general pattern, in any culture, the more a woman is considered to be property, the more repressive the sexual mores. Sex between husband and wife is for procreation. Sex with another man's wife is a crime against property. It's the potential to create a fraudulent heir to the family fortune. If a man wants more than a legitimate heir, that's why we have prostitutes.

Anything that could give a woman more power over a man is seen as a threat and sexual desire is easily leveraged to gain an advantage.
 

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What the hell are you even asking here? The character is an self-hating anti-semite. Sounds like the script is depicting him as pretty anti-semitic.
 

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What the hell are you even asking here? The character is an self-hating anti-semite. Sounds like the script is depicting him as pretty anti-semitic.
Well I was wondering whether what he says is true amongst Jews and "Christian" Nazis....

Later on in the movie he is amongst a group of Nazi sympathisers...
https://dailyscript.com/scripts/thebeliever.html
Danny steps to the lectern. The CROWD QUIETS. He stands
silent for a long moment, then closes his eyes and chants
with feeling:

DANNY
Shema yisroel adonai elohenu adonai
echod.

General confusion. Mrs. Moebius and Curtis exchange wary
glances.

DANNY
Who knows what that is?

VOICE
A Jewish prayer.

DANNY
Can anybody imagine why I would say a
Jewish prayer?

ANOTHER VOICE
Because you're a Jew.

Nervous laughter. Danny laughs with them.

DANNY
That could be one reason. What's
another?
(no response)
Let me put it this way...who here
would like to destroy the Jews?
(murmurs of approval)
Who wants to grind their bones into
the dust?

A scattering of applause, growing more sustained...

DANNY
And who wants to see them rise again,
wealthier, more successful, powerful,
cultured and intelligent than ever?

Silence. No one wants that.

DANNY
Then you know what you have to do?...
You have to love them.

Puzzled mutterings: "What?... What's he talking about?..."

DANNY
Did he say love them? Love the Jews?
It sounds strange, I know, but with
these people nothing is simple. The
Jew says that all he wants is to be
left alone to study his Torah, do a
little business and fornicate with
his over-sexed wife.... But it isn't
true. He wants to be hated. He longs
for our scorn. He clings to it as if
it were the very core and mystery of
his being. If Hitler had not existed,
the Jews would have invented him. For
without such hatred, the so-called
Chosen People would vanish from the
earth....

Earlier in the movie a journalist said to Danny that Danny is Jewish - Danny got out his gun and threatened to shoot him.... so he was trying hard not to let people know. This is the conversation where the original quote comes from....
GUY
Danny, this is great. You're
incredibly articulate. One more
thing... How can you believe this when
you're a Jew yourself?

A beat. Danny smiles at the mistake....

DANNY
What? Excuse me?...
(Guy says nothing)
You're kidding, right?

.....

DANNY
Look at me. DO I look Jewish? Look...

.....

GUY
Does that mean you deny what he says
is true? Yes or no.


GUN: pulled from Danny's pants, slammed down on the table...
Guy sits back abruptly. Danny picks it up, cocks it....


DANNY
Look at me. Look at me, Guy.... Oh,
now you can't look at me? Look at me,
you schmuck. Look at me....
(pokes the gun in Guy's face)
You print that shit in the New York
Times...I'll kill myself.

But when Danny and some Nazis are desecrating a Jewish temple half way through the movie Danny tries to stop them from damaging the Torah scroll.
BILLINGS
How come you know all this shit?

DANNY
How come you don't know it?
(pressing the advantage)
How can you say you hate the Jews
when you don't know anything about --

BILLINGS
Fuck you. I hate the Jews at least as
much as you do.

DANNY
No, you don't.... If you hated them,
you'd study them, so you'd know why
you hate them. You know what tefillin
is? Tsitsis? Shotness? You know the
kaddish from the kiddush?
(obviously not)
Eichmann? He went to Israel. He
studied the Torah, the Talmud, the
Mishnah, the whole bit. He hated Jews.

..........

CARLETON
(reaching toward the parchment)
Can we touch it?

DANNY
Yeah, but not on the letters.

BILLINGS
Why the fuck not?

DANNY
(warning finger)
Just don't.

Billings bristles at Danny's authority; Carleton says to him...

CARLETON
Didn't you see Raiders of the Lost Ark?

BILLINGS
What??

CARLETON
That was an ark, man. That was a
Torah. They fucked around with it,
and the Torah melted their faces.

BILLINGS
That's a movie, you moron.

CARLETON
Fine, go ahead. Touch the letters.

In the end Danny plants explosives in a temple with the help of another guy. Then later he gets the temple evacuated (while wearing a Jewish hat) and he stays there and dies in the explosion....

Also:
DANNY
Do you want to know the real reason
we hate them?...

......

DANNY
...Because we hate them.
(as people exchange
puzzled looks)
Because they exist. Because it is an
axiom of civilization that just as
man longs for woman, loves his
children and fears death, he hates
the Jews.
(smiles)
There is no reason. If there were,
some smart-ass kike would give us an
argument, try to prove we were wrong.
And of course that would only make us
hate them more. In fact we have all
the reasons we need in three simple
letters: J-E-W. Jew. Say it a million
times. It is the only word that never
loses its meaning: Jew Jew Jew Jew
Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew....
 
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