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Philadelphia Archbishop: “There Is No Such Thing as an ‘LGBTQ Catholic'”

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A very stupid thing to say, given that a lot of priestly abuse was men on boys, which would generally be covered by "G"....but then he's religipous - stupid is natural...


Earlier this month, when Catholic bishops gathered for a Synod on “Young People, the Faith, and Vocational Discernment,” Philadelphia Archbishop Charles Chaput made it clear that he had a problem with any reference to “LGBTQ Catholics.”Chaput claimed Catholics should stop using that term altogether because such groups simply didn’t exist.In a letter to his colleagues, he explained his (lack of) thinking:
There is no such thing as an “LGBTQ Catholic” or a “transgender Catholic” or a “heterosexual Catholic”, as if our sexual appetites defined who we are; as if these designations described discrete communities of differing but equal integrity within the real ecclesial community, the body of Jesus Christ. This has never been true in the life of the Church, and is not true now. It follows that “LGBTQ” and similar language should not be used in Church documents, because using it suggests that these are real, autonomous groups, and the Church simply doesn’t categorize people that way.
While he obviously tried to include “heterosexual” in there so as to not single out an already oppressed group of people, he ignored the simple fact that hetero relationships are the default option in the Church. They don’t have to refer to “straight” relationships because it’s assumed they all will be straight. Plus, there is language in the Catechism condemning same-sex physical acts, as if a married gay couple is committing a crime in the Church’s eyes by consummating their relationship.


http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/...-there-is-no-such-thing-as-an-lgbtq-catholic/
 
A very stupid thing to say, given that a lot of priestly abuse was men on boys, which would generally be covered by "G"....
No, phands, the 'G' does not cover predation.

In the main, pedophiles attack children based on their age, not their gender.

The movement is intended to cover the rights and needs of adults who have consensual sex with other adults.
 
He is correct. The Bible is plainly anti-LGBTQ, which means the Bible teaches to hate people for the crime of being born, which in turn means that the Bible is not something that should be followed by good and decent people, only those bent on hate and dehumanizing others.
 
A very stupid thing to say, given that a lot of priestly abuse was men on boys, which would generally be covered by "G"....
No, phands, the 'G' does not cover predation.

In the main, pedophiles attack children based on their age, not their gender.

The movement is intended to cover the rights and needs of adults who have consensual sex with other adults.

The stats show that most pedophiles target (gay) male children.

Used to be that the idea of a 'gay' or 'transgender' child existed only in the fantasies of perverts. But the concept seems to be catching on. Imagine that. 10 year old boys being able to 'come out' and talk freely (to older men) about their preference for [insert pedophile fantasy scenario here]
 
Reminds me of the meme (on bumper stickers and protest signs) of "You Can't Be Catholic and Pro-Abortion." There actually is a non-profit Catholic pro-choice advocacy group. And, on a related note, the Catholics who follow the company line on birth control (in the U.S.) appear to be a minority. A lot of the dogma and purism isn't trickling down to the congregation -- which is true of a lot of aging religions.
 
Reminds me of the meme (on bumper stickers and protest signs) of "You Can't Be Catholic and Pro-Abortion." There actually is a non-profit Catholic pro-choice advocacy group. And, on a related note, the Catholics who follow the company line on birth control (in the U.S.) appear to be a minority. A lot of the dogma and purism isn't trickling down to the congregation -- which is true of a lot of aging religions.

Ya, it's weird. You'd expect that a group of people who enabled and covered up mass child rape would be more accepted as a source of moral authority.
 
A very stupid thing to say, given that a lot of priestly abuse was men on boys, which would generally be covered by "G"....
No, phands, the 'G' does not cover predation.

In the main, pedophiles attack children based on their age, not their gender.

The movement is intended to cover the rights and needs of adults who have consensual sex with other adults.

The stats show that most pedophiles target (gay) male children.

Used to be that the idea of a 'gay' or 'transgender' child existed only in the fantasies of perverts. But the concept seems to be catching on. Imagine that. 10 year old boys being able to 'come out' and talk freely (to older men) about their preference for [insert pedophile fantasy scenario here]

Perverts?

Sorry, but only one side here thinks that rapists should be rewarded with positions of highest power in the government such as the Supreme Court. Only one side tried to run a pedophile for the US Senate. Only one side routinely makes excuses for rape and attacks rape victims. Only one side routinely makes excuses for sexual assault and pedophiles.

And it's not the atheists.

It's not LGBT people nor LGBT children who are the perverts. It's Christians. Please stop doing perverted things to children, and please tell your religious leaders to stop doing perverted things to children and stop making excuses for those who do. Maybe all of this sexual assault and pedophilia is acceptable to Christians, but it is very much not acceptable to non-Christians. Please keep it in your pants.
 
The stats show that most pedophiles target (gay) male children.
'Stats' are a poor method of proving orientation.
Do they actually prefer male children, or are they just more likely to have that opportunity?
And is their 'targeting' actually looking for children who are already gay? Or are they using their authority to try to tell children that they are gay?
 
The stats show that most pedophiles target (gay) male children.
'Stats' are a poor method of proving orientation.
Do they actually prefer male children, or are they just more likely to have that opportunity?
And is their 'targeting' actually looking for children who are already gay? Or are they using their authority to try to tell children that they are gay?

"The stats" mysteriously have no links to the research that established them, nor references to the scholarly papers in reputable journals that published them. As such, they remain at this time indistinguishable from a steaming pile of faeces pulled directly from Lion's fundament.

But I am sure he is ready and keen to correct his omission and provide the source of these 'Stats' for our edification and analysis.

Not that I don't want to take his word for it; But unfortunately I cannot, due to not trusting him any further than I could comfortably spit a dead rat.
 
Heterosexual non-incest pedophile perpetrators (who targeted female children) had a median of 1.3 victims. Those who targeted male children (homosexuals) had a median of 4.4 victims.

That other horror - abortion on demand - seems to target (defenceless) female children.
 
Heterosexual non-incest pedophile perpetrators (who targeted female children) had a median of 1.3 victims. Those who targeted male children (homosexuals) had a median of 4.4 victims.

That other horror - abortion on demand - seems to target (defenceless) female children.

You appear not to know what a source is. (Hint - it's not a repetition of the un-sourced claim with greater level of detail).

Why doesn't this surprise me?
 
64.3% of victims were boys.
Most pedophiles are gay (prefer boys)
Can't find any stats as to whether they were closet atheists.
 
The stats don't lie.
Homosexuals are massively overrepresented in child sex abuse crime stats.
Less than 3% of the population.
More than 35% of child sex crimes.
 
The stats don't lie.
Homosexuals are massively overrepresented in child sex abuse crime stats.
Less than 3% of the population.
More than 35% of child sex crimes.

I have no reason whatsoever to believe a single one of your figures. And your ongoing failure to even attempt to provide any such reason makes me deeply suspicious.

You really don't grasp how this whole 'knowledge' thing works at all, do you? Why would you expect anyone to believe your unsourced, unreferenced, and unsupported figures?
 
25 to 40 percent of men (or as phands calls them, True Christian priests) attracted to children prefer boys....preferably gay boys. Proud little gay boys who have "come out" thanks to the urging of adult propaganda and who aren't afraid to express their sexuality.

*psychic vomit*
 
25 to 40 percent of men (or as phands calls them, True Christian priests) attracted to children prefer boys....preferably gay boys. Proud little gay boys who have "come out" thanks to the urging of adult propaganda and who aren't afraid to express their sexuality.

*psychic vomit*

You keep saying things that you seem to fondly imagine other people will believe, just on the basis that you said it.

That's simply not how any of this works.
 
A very stupid thing to say, given that a lot of priestly abuse was men on boys, which would generally be covered by "G"....
No, phands, the 'G' does not cover predation.

In the main, pedophiles attack children based on their age, not their gender.

The movement is intended to cover the rights and needs of adults who have consensual sex with other adults.

The stats show that most pedophiles target (gay) male children.

Used to be that the idea of a 'gay' or 'transgender' child existed only in the fantasies of perverts. But the concept seems to be catching on. Imagine that. 10 year old boys being able to 'come out' and talk freely (to older men) about their preference for [insert pedophile fantasy scenario here]

You've shown no stats. None, not a one.
You were asked to show a source for your "stats", but have either chosen to not back up your claim, or maybe you don't know what a source is.

MAYBE, you believe that a "stat" is a person saying something.

Here''s what I say, stats show that 100% of the people who use "Lion" as a user-name are pedophiles.
And now you are forced to believe that.
Because I have used exactly the same evidence as you.


That other horror - abortion on demand - seems to target (defenceless) female children.
Your made up number her is obviously wrong.
Of all abortions, about 75% are "god abortions" aka "spontaneous abortions" aka "miscarriages" aka, for the Lions among us, "unnoticed infant deaths." Those are not skewed toward girls. Of the 25% that are induced abortions, 80% happen before the gender is known. (note the CDC report says 50/50, but their method of detecting spontaneous abortions is flawed, hence my doubling of it.)

So your made up number is so easy to refute.
Why are you so comfortable saying things that are false?
Why is your god so comfortable with you saying things that are false?

Heterosexual non-incest pedophile perpetrators (who targeted female children) had a median of 1.3 victims. Those who targeted male children (homosexuals) had a median of 4.4 victims.

You don't known math, either? So that means there are 3.5x more hetero perps per victim than homo ones.

But in the end you are saying something not true in this one too. How can your god even stand that?

If one actually looks at numbers, one sees even more math:

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ Children’s Bureau report Child Maltreatment 2010 found that 9.2% of victimized children were sexually assaulted (page 24).

Studies by David Finkelhor, Director of the Crimes Against Children Research Center, show that:

1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse;
Self-report studies show that 20% of adult females and 5-10% of adult males recall a childhood sexual assault or sexual abuse incident;

Which mean, that, since girls are 4x more likely to be a victim, and the perps are 3.5 times less prolific, there are... here, let me help you stop telling lies:

[table="width: 500"]
[tr]
[td] [/td]
[td]Girls [/td]
[td]Boys[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]out of [/td]
[td]100[/td]
[td]100[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]number of victims [/td]
[td]20[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]victims per perp[/td]
[td] 1.3[/td]
[td] 4.4
[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]number of perps[/td]
[td]15.4[/td]
[td]1.1[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

So according to Lion, most pedophiles are homo because there is one attacking boys for every 15 attacking girls.


Here's the thing, Lion. Now that you know the truth, if you persist in claiming otherwise, it becomes a LIE. Which your god will put you in hell for.


As an aside, do you consider all the men attacking girls to be "heterosexual" just like you or do you consider them to be "pedophiles"?
 
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