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I just can't believe my own eyes right now. Do we seriously need to debate the top speed of a wheelchair? We have two officers on the scene, all they needed to do was dump the wheelchair then arrest him. Even a roundhouse kick to the chest would have been more reasonable than shooting him 9 damn times. The man clearly wasn't athletic and had limited directions to attack with a knife. Also, where were their tasers?
Entirely my point. Two people of hale body and (I guess not-so-hale) spirit decided to, instead of risking a physical confrontation with a violent, but easily deposed opponent, chose the utterly selfish route of just killing them.
 

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I just can't believe my own eyes right now. Do we seriously need to debate the top speed of a wheelchair? We have two officers on the scene, all they needed to do was dump the wheelchair then arrest him. Even a roundhouse kick to the chest would have been more reasonable than shooting him 9 damn times. The man clearly wasn't athletic and had limited directions to attack with a knife. Also, where were their tasers?

He may have turned around and tried to run the officer over with his wheelchair (deadly weapon). He may have been going into Lowe's to attack people and take hostages. Or, he may have had a nuclear weapon hidden under his chair that he was going to detonate once he reached the store. Don't you understand why it was critical that he be killed before he got to do any of those things? The officer showed a great deal of restraint - a standard Glock 19 magazine can hold 15 rounds (and one in the chamber) and the officer only used 9. That proves he wasn't trying to kill him.
 

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SMH. Loren, I don't mean to pick on you but your comments about this incident really sunk my ship yo. I was honestly working on liking you.
 

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I just can't believe my own eyes right now. Do we seriously need to debate the top speed of a wheelchair? We have two officers on the scene, all they needed to do was dump the wheelchair then arrest him. Even a roundhouse kick to the chest would have been more reasonable than shooting him 9 damn times. The man clearly wasn't athletic and had limited directions to attack with a knife. Also, where were their tasers?

He may have turned around and tried to run the officer over with his wheelchair (deadly weapon). He may have been going into Lowe's to attack people and take hostages. Or, he may have had a nuclear weapon hidden under his chair that he was going to detonate once he reached the store. Don't you understand why it was critical that he be killed before he got to do any of those things? The officer showed a great deal of restraint - a standard Glock 19 magazine can hold 15 rounds (and one in the chamber) and the officer only used 9. That proves he wasn't trying to kill him.
Or he might have been a werewolf or similar type of monster! (See below)
wow, just remembered this old video


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So now we need to kill people in wheelchairs who are accused of shoplifting, are holding a knife, and refusing to comply with a LEO's orders because they may take hostages? While they are rolling away from the cops? Wow! Just wow! What next? He could have a nuclear weapon hidden under the seat? It is hypothetically possible, since we are talking about hypotheticals here. Do you not understand how ridiculous this sounds?
It's not that he was holding a knife. It was that he had already threatened people with the knife.

Sorry, but once you have threatened people with a weapon the police aren't going to let you get around more people. The fact that he was in a wheelchair doesn't change that. Their decision to shoot at that point does not surprise me.
I didn't realise that "an off duty cop who empties half a fucking magazine into a cripple is complete bullshit", is such a controversial take. Incidentally Loren, there is snuff footage of the incident; the 60 year old in question was never going to cut it in the Paralympics. Also, the other cop who was on duty never felt any compulsion to quote ezekiel 25 17 and cut loose. How strange.
 

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Also, the other cop who was on duty never felt any compulsion to quote ezekiel 25 17 and cut loose. How strange.

That's because someone jumped the gun (literally) and beat her to it. There was no reason for her to be on scene acting like a mighty morphing power ranger with her service weapon drawn.
 

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Hundreds of cases in jeopardy after racist texting scandal rocks California police department


The texts run the gamut from a photo of Black men who had been lynched with the caption, "Hanging with the homies" to another image asking what someone should do if their girlfriend had an affair with a Black man. The officer's reply: break “a tail light on his car so the police will stop him and shoot him.” Additional texts showed how to tie a noose and asked the question, "Which one doesn't belong?" with an image of a candy cane, a Christmas tree ornament, a star topper, and an "enslaved person." The response by one officer: "You don't hang the star."

"They exchanged texts about assaulting members of the LGBTQ community, using violence against suspects and lying during an investigation into a police shooting," according to district attorney’s office records reviewed by The Times.

... At least 85 criminal cases involving the officers have been dismissed... Alarmingly, the officers were listed as potential witnesses in nearly 1,400 cases in the last decade.
 

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A school resource officer at Proviso West High School in Hillside was arrested for assault Friday after video showed him throwing a student against a whiteboard and restraining him to the ground, according to school district officials.

The incident transpired when the officer, who has yet to be identified, entered a classroom and confronted a student, according to a news release from Supt. James Henderson of Proviso Township High Schools District 209.

The officer "made demands of the student," proceeded to grab him, throw the student against a whiteboard and then restrain him.

Henderson called the officer's actions "an unprompted assault on a child who was not a threat to himself or anyone else.
 

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Sheriff accused of holding gun to head of woman who took church youth group to tape ‘thank you’ message to his door

According to the 10-page affidavit, after the sheriff heard his screen door open, he grabbed his gun and went outside, wearing long johns and threatening the group.
At first, the children thought Rowland was joking but quickly realized he was serious.

The sheriff allegedly approached their car and pointed the gun at two girls in the front seat. He then turned to Cox, pointed the gun at her, grabbed her by the hair, and said “Get the f--- out of the car,” according to the affidavit.

One of the girls in the car told investigators that she saw the sheriff hold the gun close to Cox’s head and say “I will f--g shoot you.”

His excuse was he'd had one drink and anyway:

“I have had drunk Indians drive down my cul-de-sac. I’ve had drunk Indians come to my door. I live just off the reservation, we have a lot of reservation people around us that are not good people,” he added.
 

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This was in another thread.

 

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Can't wait to see the next video of a predominantly white neighborhood getting a visit from a hostile group of police arresting every white person they see. It takes shit like the WACO massacre for that to happen not just a fucking "SUSPICIOUS PERSON". :rolleyes:
 

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Can't wait to see the next video of a predominantly white neighborhood getting a visit from a hostile group of police arresting every white person they see. It takes shit like the WACO massacre for that to happen not just a fucking "SUSPICIOUS PERSON". :rolleyes:
I remember the siege of the Branch Davidians' house in Waco.

Right-wingers howled in outrage. It was a terrible, terrible, terrible injustice, they said, and they said that it proves what horrible left-wing ogres the Clintonites were.
 

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Can't wait to see the next video of a predominantly white neighborhood getting a visit from a hostile group of police arresting every white person they see. It takes shit like the WACO massacre for that to happen not just a fucking "SUSPICIOUS PERSON". :rolleyes:
I remember the siege of the Branch Davidians' house in Waco.

Right-wingers howled in outrage. It was a terrible, terrible, terrible injustice, they said, and they said that it proves what horrible left-wing ogres the Clintonites were.

And look at the support from the right when the branch dildonians were under "siege".
 

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This was in another thread.


Cops acting like racist scum? That's not news - it happens every fucking day.

If I pointed a gun at someone's head while breaing into their home, I would go to prison for 7 to 15 years on an aggravated assault and felony trespass conviction. If the cops do it, while breaking into someone's home without a warrant, or any clear idea of what they are doing - it goes to the investigative committee who can't make a decision in two fucking years. Until this shit gets on the 9:00 o'clock news when a Judge orders the PD to release body cams, and then the Chief makes a public apology and puts a couple of the thugs on paid administrative leave for a week.
 

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blah, the excuse is the young man opened the door so the police didn't break the law and the breaking in was just a lie. The police are allowed to lie to get information so it's up to citizens to determine on their own when the police are lying or telling the truth. :rolleyes:
 

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As the employee of an independent adjusting firm my employer made a substantial amount of money handling police department claims for various police departments at the municipal, county and state levels in multiple states.

I have handled claims involving parole officers extorting paroles for sex, bad police shootings, excessive force, patrol officers operating burglar rings out of their patrol cars and bad police chases.

After I retied I met a patrol officer at the gym and he said that before he got to know me he saw me coming out of the lutenists office so many times that he thought I was a detective.

For any one who might be asked to come in for a police interview I recommend viewing Don't Talk to The Police, Nine Steps of the Reid Interrogation Technique, and Why Cops Beat You In the Interrogation Room.

Keep in mind that US citizens have no obligation to prove their innocence to any police authority, a police station is not a court house and the police are not members of the judiciary.

Be aware that in the supreme court case of Frazier v. Cupp, 394 U.S. 731 (1969) the court decided that cops can be dishonest in the interrogation process and use false evidence.

I suggest that one never submit to police to police questioning as a potential suspect about anything more important that a traffic ticket out side an attorney's office.
 

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When I was a teen I never thought it was lawful for a representative of the state to lie I thought that was something the federal government could & would do. Glad I learned this early enough to be useful. Regrettably, a lot of young black youth are scared into just giving in because of those "Respect My Authority!" niggas being backed by state governments, Unions (which apparently is bad for everyone else but them), and the federal government (VIA lack of action and interest).

Edit: And Frazier v. Cupp, 394 U.S. 731 (1969) too.
 

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blah, the excuse is the young man opened the door so the police didn't break the law and the breaking in was just a lie. The police are allowed to lie to get information so it's up to citizens to determine on their own when the police are lying or telling the truth. :rolleyes:
When I open the door and folks storm in past the threshold, that's why my hand is usually on the door sword.*

*I've never actually had to pull it off the wall; none of the folks in my threshold have ever tried to storm in. My hand is always on it if I don't recognize the caller, though.
 

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I suggest that one never submit to police to police questioning as a potential suspect about anything more important that a traffic ticket out side an attorney's office.
Never talk to the police, unless you are the victim of a crime and need their help. Nothing you say to the police can be used in your own defense, and everything you say can be used to convict you. The police are allowed to bully you and lie to you, but if you make one false statement to the police you could end up in prison. The police are not there to be your friend or to help you, they are there to look for criminal activity, and gather evidence to help the DA convict people of crimes. I wish they would teach this in school.
 

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I suggest that one never submit to police to police questioning as a potential suspect about anything more important that a traffic ticket out side an attorney's office.
Never talk to the police, unless you are the victim of a crime and need their help. Nothing you say to the police can be used in your own defense, and everything you say can be used to convict you. The police are allowed to bully you and lie to you, but if you make one false statement to the police you could end up in prison. The police are not there to be your friend or to help you, they are there to look for criminal activity, and gather evidence to help the DA convict people of crimes. I wish they would teach this in school.
Depends on which school you go to and who it is there teaching you.

Pretty sure everyone learns that at school around where I live. The people teaching it are usually the upperclassmen to the lower.
 

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The charges Cage faced are known by police critics, defense attorneys and some federal investigators as “cover charges.” Deputies can use these offenses — typically resisting arrest, battery of an officer and flight from an officer — to arrest people they have assaulted, experts say. The charges, which are sometimes used in combination with other offenses, allow officers to cover up their use of excessive force and help shield the department from civil liability, according to civil rights attorneys. Because there is often no other evidence save for the word of the officer, and because the resisting arrest statute is written so broadly that it can be applied to almost any situation, convictions are relatively easy to secure. And once someone is convicted or enters a guilty plea, they often lose the right to sue for any alleged police brutality.

Police can arrest people for “cover charges,” like resisting arrest, to justify their use of excessive force and shield themselves from liability. In Jefferson Parish, 73% of the time someone is arrested on a “cover charge” alone, they’re Black.​

 

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It’s like the chicken and the egg. How could anyone ever know which came first? The arrest or the resisting of the arrest?
 

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Where I'm from (not where I'm at) if an officer is within your field of view presume you're under arrest.

~Bayshore (Union Blvd and 5th Ave Area) Long Island NY~
 

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LAPD officer shoot and kill a deranged man in a Burlington Coat Factory shop and in the process kills a teenage girl who was in a changing room;

Los Angeles police officers shot and killed both a 14-year-old girl and an assault suspect when they opened fire inside a Burlington store in North Hollywood Thursday morning, authorities said. Los Angeles police believe the girl was struck by a stray bullet that passed through a dressing room wall.

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Where I'm from (not where I'm at) if an officer is within your field of view presume you're under arrest.

~Bayshore (Union Blvd and 5th Ave Area) Long Island NY~
That bad? :eek:

Not sure if it's that bad now, but under Guliani it was. Officers would pick you up and take you to the police station off 5th ave to question you. Then send you on your way if they have nothing. That was a long walk to work for me (somewhere between 5 and 10 miles instead of 1 1/2 miles from my mother's apartment at that time). I'd miss half my shift and work twice as fast to stock my isle at Edwards Supermarket. I got picked up like that say once every month but questioned every night on the way to work.

Out of all that I got caught once with a dime bag of weed because I figured fuck if they gonna harass me all the damn time I may as well smoke that shit. I enjoyed it no regrets. The judge threw it out because there wasn't anything left but twigs in the bag plus first offense I guess. Can't remember. I just remember spending the whole weekend in the local jail over it. I at least had the cell to myself so there's that.
 

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Newly released body-camera footage shows the high-speed moments before a Houston cop drove his police cruiser onto a sidewalk Dec. 4 and killed 62-year-old Michael Wayne Jackson, who was walking to his barber.
Prosecutors have yet to present the case to a grand jury, Harris County district attorney's office spokesperson Dane Schiller said Monday. On Dec. 30, the Houston Police Department released two video clips from bodycams worn by driving officer Orlando Hernandez and his partner officer Anthony Aranda. Both officers are 25 years old with fewer than five years on the force and currently are listed as active duty, according to an HPD spokesperson.
Hernandez at times drove the 6,300-pound Ford Police Intercepter between 80 and 100 mph down Reed Road, according to the cruiser's speedometer shown in a five-minute clip from his bodycam. Traffic on Reed Road is limited to 40 mph. The cops were driving with lights and siren activated to help another officer apprehend five individuals allegedly involved in a carjacking who reportedly fled on foot after a short pursuit.
 

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Three Men Sentenced to Life in Prison in Arbery Killing

"A Georgia judge on Friday sentenced both Travis McMichael, the man who fatally shot Ahmaud Arbery, and his father to life in prison without the possibility of parole, but issued a lesser sentence of life with the possibility of parole to the other white man convicted of murdering Mr. Arbery, a 25-year-old Black man whom they had chased through their neighborhood."

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Three Men Sentenced to Life in Prison in Arbery Killing

"A Georgia judge on Friday sentenced both Travis McMichael, the man who fatally shot Ahmaud Arbery, and his father to life in prison without the possibility of parole, but issued a lesser sentence of life with the possibility of parole to the other white man convicted of murdering Mr. Arbery, a 25-year-old Black man whom they had chased through their neighborhood."

Good.
This is weird. I heard that sentencing weeks ago. Was this article about a judgment on an appeal or something?

The other weird thing is that link went to an article about Merrick Garland. :laugh:
 

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Newly released body-camera footage shows the high-speed moments before a Houston cop drove his police cruiser onto a sidewalk Dec. 4 and killed 62-year-old Michael Wayne Jackson, who was walking to his barber.
Prosecutors have yet to present the case to a grand jury, Harris County district attorney's office spokesperson Dane Schiller said Monday. On Dec. 30, the Houston Police Department released two video clips from bodycams worn by driving officer Orlando Hernandez and his partner officer Anthony Aranda. Both officers are 25 years old with fewer than five years on the force and currently are listed as active duty, according to an HPD spokesperson.
Hernandez at times drove the 6,300-pound Ford Police Intercepter between 80 and 100 mph down Reed Road, according to the cruiser's speedometer shown in a five-minute clip from his bodycam. Traffic on Reed Road is limited to 40 mph. The cops were driving with lights and siren activated to help another officer apprehend five individuals allegedly involved in a carjacking who reportedly fled on foot after a short pursuit.

I don't think one hand had anything to do with the crash--he's going straight on a smooth surface. Unfortunately, that video doesn't give us any indication of what did cause the crash.
 

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Newly released body-camera footage shows the high-speed moments before a Houston cop drove his police cruiser onto a sidewalk Dec. 4 and killed 62-year-old Michael Wayne Jackson, who was walking to his barber.
Prosecutors have yet to present the case to a grand jury, Harris County district attorney's office spokesperson Dane Schiller said Monday. On Dec. 30, the Houston Police Department released two video clips from bodycams worn by driving officer Orlando Hernandez and his partner officer Anthony Aranda. Both officers are 25 years old with fewer than five years on the force and currently are listed as active duty, according to an HPD spokesperson.
Hernandez at times drove the 6,300-pound Ford Police Intercepter between 80 and 100 mph down Reed Road, according to the cruiser's speedometer shown in a five-minute clip from his bodycam. Traffic on Reed Road is limited to 40 mph. The cops were driving with lights and siren activated to help another officer apprehend five individuals allegedly involved in a carjacking who reportedly fled on foot after a short pursuit.

I don't think one hand had anything to do with the crash--he's going straight on a smooth surface. Unfortunately, that video doesn't give us any indication of what did cause the crash.
Do you ever watch auto racing? Drivers running at the ragged edge of traction. Something as simple as a ripple in the track can make a car lose control. City streets are far less smooth than any race track. The cop was driving too fast for conditions. If he was an idiot in a Corvette you would say he was definitely at fault.
 

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — A 65-year-old Northern California man was paralyzed after being slammed to the ground during a traffic stop where police officers used “pain compliance” techniques and expressed disbelief when he repeatedly cried out “I can’t feel my legs,” according to a lawsuit announced Wednesday.

Police video released by lawyers for Gregory Gross shows the incident and his arrival at a hospital, where Gross is handcuffed to a bed, his nose bloodied.

“You want to grab his arms and flop him up on the bed?” someone asks after Gross tells a medical worker that he can’t feel his legs. They then do so while placing him in a sitting position without restraining his neck or spine.

“Don’t tell me again you can’t move,” a medical worker tells Gross later as he is prepared for a full body scan. Gross ultimately required two surgeries to fuse his spine. In separate lawsuits, Gross alleges the combination of police and medical misconduct left him unable to walk or care for himself, and he will require round-the-clock nursing care for the rest of his life.
 

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — A 65-year-old Northern California man was paralyzed after being slammed to the ground during a traffic stop where police officers used “pain compliance” techniques and expressed disbelief when he repeatedly cried out “I can’t feel my legs,” according to a lawsuit announced Wednesday.

Police video released by lawyers for Gregory Gross shows the incident and his arrival at a hospital, where Gross is handcuffed to a bed, his nose bloodied.

“You want to grab his arms and flop him up on the bed?” someone asks after Gross tells a medical worker that he can’t feel his legs. They then do so while placing him in a sitting position without restraining his neck or spine.

“Don’t tell me again you can’t move,” a medical worker tells Gross later as he is prepared for a full body scan. Gross ultimately required two surgeries to fuse his spine. In separate lawsuits, Gross alleges the combination of police and medical misconduct left him unable to walk or care for himself, and he will require round-the-clock nursing care for the rest of his life.

Why didn't he assert his White Privilege? Fool.
 

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — A 65-year-old Northern California man was paralyzed after being slammed to the ground during a traffic stop where police officers used “pain compliance” techniques and expressed disbelief when he repeatedly cried out “I can’t feel my legs,” according to a lawsuit announced Wednesday.

Police video released by lawyers for Gregory Gross shows the incident and his arrival at a hospital, where Gross is handcuffed to a bed, his nose bloodied.

“You want to grab his arms and flop him up on the bed?” someone asks after Gross tells a medical worker that he can’t feel his legs. They then do so while placing him in a sitting position without restraining his neck or spine.

“Don’t tell me again you can’t move,” a medical worker tells Gross later as he is prepared for a full body scan. Gross ultimately required two surgeries to fuse his spine. In separate lawsuits, Gross alleges the combination of police and medical misconduct left him unable to walk or care for himself, and he will require round-the-clock nursing care for the rest of his life.

Why didn't he assert his White Privilege? Fool.

He fucking was. Take all the time you need to imagine if he would be in any condition to sue if he wasn't white, genius.
 

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — A 65-year-old Northern California man was paralyzed after being slammed to the ground during a traffic stop where police officers used “pain compliance” techniques and expressed disbelief when he repeatedly cried out “I can’t feel my legs,” according to a lawsuit announced Wednesday.

Police video released by lawyers for Gregory Gross shows the incident and his arrival at a hospital, where Gross is handcuffed to a bed, his nose bloodied.

“You want to grab his arms and flop him up on the bed?” someone asks after Gross tells a medical worker that he can’t feel his legs. They then do so while placing him in a sitting position without restraining his neck or spine.

“Don’t tell me again you can’t move,” a medical worker tells Gross later as he is prepared for a full body scan. Gross ultimately required two surgeries to fuse his spine. In separate lawsuits, Gross alleges the combination of police and medical misconduct left him unable to walk or care for himself, and he will require round-the-clock nursing care for the rest of his life.

Why didn't he assert his White Privilege? Fool.

He fucking was. Take all the time you need to imagine if he would be in any condition to sue if he wasn't white, genius.

That doesn't make sense. If White Privilege gets you paralyzed, what use is it? Give us your genus take.
 

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Trausti’s constant outrage over discussions of civil rights issues and his repeated insertion of “but what about this one white guy!!11! White privilege doesn’t exist!!!!1!” makes one wonder about his sincerity.

But for those seeing this kind of comment for the first time, or who don’t understand why he brings these up, repeatedly, let’s explain.

Patooka’s point is that if the victim were black, they migt have been dead rather than paralyzed, for “failing to comply.” The instances of bad outcome are more commonly more severe for Black drivers (walkers, bikers, sitters on own sofa, etc). One has to be uncommonly obtuse to not see the data - OR - one has to have a confirmation bias that does not permit the data to penetrate. Sometimes that is termed “prejudice.”

However, the astute observer will see the pattern to replies in this and all threads, where some people will try to inject “what about this one white guy!!!1!!” at every opportunity in an atttempt to “prove” racism does not exist. As if the existence of one harmed white guy erases all trace of uneven justice and unequal treatment by law enforcement. They seem to think this is a strong argument. Perhaps they know it is not and they are just trying to disrupt and exhaust those who are facing great harm, in an effort to get them to accept inequality.

But if a person posts only “whataboutism” one can conclude that their arguments have little foundation.
 

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Do you ever watch auto racing? Drivers running at the ragged edge of traction. Something as simple as a ripple in the track can make a car lose control. City streets are far less smooth than any race track. The cop was driving too fast for conditions. If he was an idiot in a Corvette you would say he was definitely at fault.

Too fast for conditions normally means you lost traction on a turn or the like. This guy was going straight. He might have been going too fast given the other traffic around but he didn't hit a car and he didn't crash avoiding a car.

Something caused him to go right and I see nothing in the video that says what. His speed would not have caused this, although it easily could be a factor in not being able to recover.
 

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“Don’t tell me again you can’t move,” a medical worker tells Gross later as he is prepared for a full body scan. Gross ultimately required two surgeries to fuse his spine. In separate lawsuits, Gross alleges the combination of police and medical misconduct left him unable to walk or care for himself, and he will require round-the-clock nursing care for the rest of his life.

Pain compliance should be given some considerable scrutiny. There are tactics that won't cause serious injury but slamming someone to the ground doesn't fall into that category.

I don't understand not being able to care for himself, though--this is a leg issue. He's presumably in a chair for life but that doesn't make one unable to care for oneself.
 

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Why didn't he assert his White Privilege? Fool.
He fucking was. Take all the time you need to imagine if he would be in any condition to sue if he wasn't white, genius.
That doesn't make sense. If White Privilege gets you paralyzed, what use is it? Give us your genus take.

Actually, I suspect white "privilege" has something to do with this. Specifically, useless defiance to the point that it provoked the cop to use force.
 

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Do you ever watch auto racing? Drivers running at the ragged edge of traction. Something as simple as a ripple in the track can make a car lose control. City streets are far less smooth than any race track. The cop was driving too fast for conditions. If he was an idiot in a Corvette you would say he was definitely at fault.

Too fast for conditions normally means you lost traction on a turn or the like. This guy was going straight. He might have been going too fast given the other traffic around but he didn't hit a car and he didn't crash avoiding a car.

Something caused him to go right and I see nothing in the video that says what. His speed would not have caused this, although it easily could be a factor in not being able to recover.
Sorry, but cars going straight can and do lose control at high speeds. Drag racers for example. No turns in a drag race but when running at the ragged edge even small things can cause catastrophe. Unless there was some problem with the car itself, the cop is at fault.

 

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There are good cops and bad cops just like there are good people and bad people.
Most people do not carry weapons or have badges that signify state sanctioning of whatever actions they want to take. The corruption runs deep, and the general civilian population is not a military equipped cult that dehumanizes anyone who is not a cop or a powerful citizen and everyone else is their enemy and probably going to commit crimes so they must stop them by any means necessary.

 

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — A 65-year-old Northern California man was paralyzed after being slammed to the ground during a traffic stop where police officers used “pain compliance” techniques and expressed disbelief when he repeatedly cried out “I can’t feel my legs,” according to a lawsuit announced Wednesday.

Police video released by lawyers for Gregory Gross shows the incident and his arrival at a hospital, where Gross is handcuffed to a bed, his nose bloodied.

“You want to grab his arms and flop him up on the bed?” someone asks after Gross tells a medical worker that he can’t feel his legs. They then do so while placing him in a sitting position without restraining his neck or spine.

“Don’t tell me again you can’t move,” a medical worker tells Gross later as he is prepared for a full body scan. Gross ultimately required two surgeries to fuse his spine. In separate lawsuits, Gross alleges the combination of police and medical misconduct left him unable to walk or care for himself, and he will require round-the-clock nursing care for the rest of his life.

Why didn't he assert his White Privilege? Fool.

He fucking was. Take all the time you need to imagine if he would be in any condition to sue if he wasn't white, genius.

That doesn't make sense. If White Privilege gets you paralyzed, what use is it? Give us your genus take.


His injuries are a result of a police force that has been given a lot of leeways to do what they do without scrutiny against minorities since its foundation. It's centuries of police culture handed down from generation to generation with whoever is the current out-group getting the most heat. Not too long ago (change is in progress) black people were the outgroup and police were the militia. Today they are drunk off the unconditional trust and it's spilling over onto white people since it's no longer cool to screw over black folks. White privilege is the reason the police force was corrupt and white privilege is the reason this man was injured. Comply or die for the minorities is now comply or die for everyone.
 
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