Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Angry Floof]

White privilege is why he's not dead. Police could have easily escalated to the point of shooting him. They do it all the time to Black people.

 

[Coleman Smith]

No all people in any profession think and act alike all the time.

I have handled claims that arose because of bad cops, bad lawyers, bad insurance adjusters, bad doctors and bad fellow employees.

Many of the claims I handled in all of the above categories arouse out of simple mistakes.

Bad mistakes made by cops and medical professionals are likely to have severe consequences than mistakes in other professions.

Or maybe not, The Hyatt Regency Hotel Disaster (my hallmark claim) was the result of a mistake.

 

[Gospel]

No all people in any profession think and act alike all the time.

Not all professions were originally founded for the purpose of controlling "people not like us". If they were, many of those professions have changed VIA policy while our police force kept the untouched privilege of support without scrutiny since conception.

 

[Coleman Smith]

Maybe e should do away with the police and see how that works out.

 

[Gospel]

Maybe e should do away with the police and see how that works out.

Awe look, another person who refuses to face reality so instead, they embrace fantasy.

 

[Gospel]

Personally I am happy to know police reform is moving forward across the country. Sheriff Mina (My local Sheriff) understands the call for defunding police is not a good nor welcome idea while also understanding that police reform is needed and has gained ground in his efforts to do so. I respect & appreciate that. What I don't appreciate are the naysayers that rather talk about how terrible the defunding idea is (which I agree with it being terrible) but make no mention about reforms.

 

[Elixir]

I love my Sheriff and the whole department. Also the police Chief, if not all his recruits.
I wish policing was a much higher paying, more desirable job.

 

[Angry Floof]

I love my Sheriff and the whole department. Also the police Chief, if not all his recruits.
I wish policing was a much higher paying, more desirable job.

With a more humane and intelligent approach to police training, with the stats and awareness of the fear mongering that encases routine training for so many LEDs around the country.

 

[Angry Floof]

There are good cops and bad cops just like there are good people and bad people.

I've posted good cop stories several times.

We MUST ALWAYS acknowledge the good ones but the blue lives matter crowd will not ever acknowledge the corruption.

 

[Coleman Smith]

Maybe e should do away with the police and see how that works out.

Awe look, another person who refuses to face reality so instead, they embrace fantasy.

It was s a r c a s i m.

 

[Coleman Smith]

There are good cops and bad cops just like there are good people and bad people.

I've posted good cop stories several times.

We MUST ALWAYS acknowledge the good ones but the blue lives matter crowd will not ever acknowledge the corruption.

My employer made money off the bad cops bad lawyers, bad doctors, etc.

 

[Angry Floof]

There are good cops and bad cops just like there are good people and bad people.

I've posted good cop stories several times.

We MUST ALWAYS acknowledge the good ones but the blue lives matter crowd will not ever acknowledge the corruption.

My employer made money off the bad cops bad lawyers, bad doctors, etc.

I'm not sure what that means exactly or how it bears on my post. Maybe you can clarify.

Meanwhile, "good" cops rarely have the safety to speak out about what they see every day. And all it takes is one time doing something unethical, some small thing, and get away with it, and then the rotten apples have started the good ones on the rotting path. Then they're complicit, making even less inclined to blow the whistle. Good cops cannot speak out or they face getting fired or worse. "Blue lives matter" means "Protect the corrupt in law enforcement! Do not expect more from police than animal brain violence and escalating everything to animal brain violence if it isn't already!"

Hold power accountable, and value the very idea of holding power accountable, and encourage others to do so. If we all made it a fundamental principle of our moral and ethical questioning to hold power accountable, and hell, the ability to recognize who has power and who doesn't in any given situation, we'd have little or not corruption.

Promote education and critical thinking, allowing citizens to better protect ourselves against corrupt powers manipulating us to look at other shiny things or even support them in their corruption. Encourage self reflection to deal with those prejudices and biases that influence our actions.

Etc.

 

[ZiprHead]

Seen elsewhere.

A police substation in Los Angeles was out of operation earlier this week, and a notice posted on the inside of the door falsely claimed the closure was a consequence of "defunding".

In reality, in Los Angeles "defund the police" was never more than a slogan chanted by protesters a few times. The city's police department budget has in fact only increased since 2020, and a further increase of 12% is slated for a city council vote by this summer.

The proclamation by LAPD middle-management that "defunding" was responsible for the closure is the result of another "Big Lie"-type right-wing propaganda campaign that alleges widespread defunding of police departments across the country has led to reductions in police effectiveness and rising crime rates. The truth is that only a handful of municipalities actually reduced their budgets in response to Black Lives Matter protests. Most places which put the question on the agenda or on a ballot ended up not reducing their police budgets.

 

[Angry Floof]

Seen elsewhere.

A police substation in Los Angeles was out of operation earlier this week, and a notice posted on the inside of the door falsely claimed the closure was a consequence of "defunding".

In reality, in Los Angeles "defund the police" was never more than a slogan chanted by protesters a few times. The city's police department budget has in fact only increased since 2020, and a further increase of 12% is slated for a city council vote by this summer.

The proclamation by LAPD middle-management that "defunding" was responsible for the closure is the result of another "Big Lie"-type right-wing propaganda campaign that alleges widespread defunding of police departments across the country has led to reductions in police effectiveness and rising crime rates. The truth is that only a handful of municipalities actually reduced their budgets in response to Black Lives Matter protests. Most places which put the question on the agenda or on a ballot ended up not reducing their police budgets.

Big, fat, fucking lying liars gonna lie. "Look what you made us do. It's your fault. Look what happens when you question authority," said every abuser in history.

 

[Coleman Smith]

Liars, Liars, Liars, Liars, Liars.........

 

[southernhybrid]

I realize that the police shoot more Black men statistically, compared to White men or women, but I did want to add a link about a police officer in rural PA who shot and killed 4 White people. A close Black friend of mine and I discuss politics and race relations a few times a week and she never even knew that White people are also victims of police misconduct, so while I'm sure that all of you do know that, I'm going to try and "gift" the article about this officer, who was also the officer of the year at one time. It has a lot of details, so read the link if you want to learn more. All of the victims suffered from either mental illness or substance abuse issues. Family members had called the police for help as they were worried about suicide attempts. Sound familiar?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/30/...p4xT-vEhuxoVNp96hjdS2nI8CgHb5g&smid=url-share

 

[Coleman Smith]

A 74-year-old woman spent 27 years in prison for a murder she didn't commit. This week she was exonerated​

The medical examiner made a mistake.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A 74-year-old woman spent 27 years in prison for a murder she didn't commit. This week she was exonerated​

The medical examiner made a mistake.

There's a lot of quackery in forensics. They pretend they can figure out things they can't and there's no FDA to verify if their methods work.

 

[Coleman Smith]

Yep.

TPD forensic lab director is fired amid allegations​

 

[ZiprHead]

Video shows Florida police sergeant grabbing fellow officer by her throat

The Sunrise police chief said he stripped the unidentified sergeant of his supervisory responsibilities after hearing about the Nov. 19 incident, which was caught on camera.

www.nbcnews.com

Video in the link.

 

[Gospel]

So let me get this straight. A man "suspected" of a violent felony went to jail that day and an officer that clearly assaulted another offiicer went to a comfy desk. Yup, that's our justice system.

 

[ZiprHead]

So let me get this straight. A man "suspected" of a violent felony went to jail that day and an officer that clearly assaulted another offiicer went to a comfy desk. Yup, that's our justice system.

Yup, that's how it works.

The really funny thing is she could have pulled her gun and shot the other officer because she feared for her life.

 

[Gospel]

Maybe e should do away with the police and see how that works out.

Awe look, another person who refuses to face reality so instead, they embrace fantasy.

It was s a r c a s i m.

For the record, sorry about that Coleman.

 

[atrib]

Liars, Liars, Liars, Liars, Liars.........

From the source you linked to:

The police used forged documents from the Virginia Department of Forensic Science (DFS) at least five times from March 2016 to February 2020. A false report was presented in court as evidence at least once.

The documents, which were sealed with DFS information and twice signed by a fictitious DFS employee, claimed that suspects’ DNA were connected to crimes in order to coax them to confess.

The DFS discovered the police’s tactics when an assistant commonwealth’s attorney requested a certified copy of one of the false documents from the department.

“This was an extremely troubling and potentially unconstitutional tactic that abused the name of the Commonwealth to try to coerce confessions,” Herring said. “It also abused the good name and reputation of the Commonwealth’s hard-working forensic scientists and professionals who work hard to provide accurate, solid evidence in support of our law enforcement agencies. While I appreciate that Virginia Beach Police put an end to this practice and cooperated with our investigation, this is clearly a tactic that should never have been used.”

Not only did the police use forged test reports to coerce suspects into confessions, a forged test report was actually used as evidence in a court of law at least once. The state of Virginia is actively manufacturing false evidence to convict people and send them to prison. Let that sink in for a minute......

If you are wealthy, you can pay for the legal and technical resources to challenge the lying police, and you probably know better than to talk to the police. But what happens if you are poor and cannot afford to hire your own lawyer to defend you and investigate the charges? Does anyone else think our police system is in need of reform?

 

[Coleman Smith]

Liars, Liars, Liars, Liars, Liars.........

From the source you linked to:

The police used forged documents from the Virginia Department of Forensic Science (DFS) at least five times from March 2016 to February 2020. A false report was presented in court as evidence at least once.

The documents, which were sealed with DFS information and twice signed by a fictitious DFS employee, claimed that suspects’ DNA were connected to crimes in order to coax them to confess.

The DFS discovered the police’s tactics when an assistant commonwealth’s attorney requested a certified copy of one of the false documents from the department.

“This was an extremely troubling and potentially unconstitutional tactic that abused the name of the Commonwealth to try to coerce confessions,” Herring said. “It also abused the good name and reputation of the Commonwealth’s hard-working forensic scientists and professionals who work hard to provide accurate, solid evidence in support of our law enforcement agencies. While I appreciate that Virginia Beach Police put an end to this practice and cooperated with our investigation, this is clearly a tactic that should never have been used.”

Not only did the police use forged test reports to coerce suspects into confessions, a forged test report was actually used as evidence in a court of law at least once. The state of Virginia is actively manufacturing false evidence to convict people and send them to prison. Let that sink in for a minute......

If you are wealthy, you can pay for the legal and technical resources to challenge the lying police, and you probably know better than to talk to the police. But what happens if you are poor and cannot afford to hire your own lawyer to defend you and investigate the charges? Does anyone else think our police system is in need of reform?

....and the Suprema Court needs to reverse Frazier v. Cupp, 394 U.S. 731 (1969), was a United States Supreme Court case that affirmed the legality of deceptive interrogation tactics.[1] in addition to other reforms.

 

[ZiprHead]

A patrolman in Maine pulled over a 63-year-old man for a traffic stop. 40 seconds later, he sent his K-9 on him.

The release of the footage comes about a week after the man's attorneys announced their client had reached a $325,000 settlement agreement.

www.usatoday.com

Video of the asshole cop in the link.

YORK, Maine — Town officials released video footage late Wednesday that shows a police officer in Maine using a K-9 to subdue a man during a traffic stop more than two years ago.

The release of the footage comes about a week after the man, Stephen Brennan, announced through his attorneys he had reached a $325,000 settlement agreement with the town and Patrolman Jonathan Rogers, who had released the dog during the encounter on Sept. 20, 2019.

In a joint statement released with the footage, York Town Manager Steve Burns and Acting Police Chief Owen Davis said Rogers “simply did his job to keep York a safe place.”

 

[ZiprHead]

How the Police Arrest a Black Man on a White Man’s Warrant

A Black Las Vegas man is suing the Henderson Police Department for arresting him on a warrant issued for a white man.

www.theroot.com

The Urban Daily reported Henderson police pulled over 23-year-old Shane Lee Brown on a weapons charge associated with a felon who was initially charged in 1994. This previous felon, who also shared the name Shane Brown, was not only convicted three years before Shane was born but was also an entire white man.

Brown gave the police his social security card in place of his license, according to Urban Daily. Yet, he was still taken in as if his form of identification (in addition to his skin color) wasn’t enough to prove his innocence. The warrant he was served was issued for a “49-year-old white man with a bushy white beard and blue eyes.” … So, Santa Claus?

From the Urban Daily:

Brown was sent to Henderson Detention Center, where he pleaded with officers that he was not the Shane Brown in the bench warrant, but was ignored.
Two days later, Las Vegas police transferred Brown to Clark County Detention Center and recorded his correct date of birth, race, and height. Officers also issued Brown a different identification number that was assigned to the older Shane Brown. He was then orderer by the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department to appear in front of a judge for the older Brown’s bench warrant but under the younger Brown’s race and date of birth.
The 23-year-old would spend four days in Clark County Detention Center before finally appearing in front of a district judge who released him after the two men’s booking photos were shown side by side in court.
Brown would spend a total of six days in jail.

Upon his release, Brown sued the Metropolitan Police Department, city of Henderson and the Henderson Police Department, according to the Urban Daily. The suit included compensatory damages under federal law of half a million dollars and $50,000 under state law.

 

[atrib]

How the Police Arrest a Black Man on a White Man’s Warrant

A Black Las Vegas man is suing the Henderson Police Department for arresting him on a warrant issued for a white man.

www.theroot.com

The Urban Daily reported Henderson police pulled over 23-year-old Shane Lee Brown on a weapons charge associated with a felon who was initially charged in 1994. This previous felon, who also shared the name Shane Brown, was not only convicted three years before Shane was born but was also an entire white man.

Brown gave the police his social security card in place of his license, according to Urban Daily. Yet, he was still taken in as if his form of identification (in addition to his skin color) wasn’t enough to prove his innocence. The warrant he was served was issued for a “49-year-old white man with a bushy white beard and blue eyes.” … So, Santa Claus?

From the Urban Daily:

Brown was sent to Henderson Detention Center, where he pleaded with officers that he was not the Shane Brown in the bench warrant, but was ignored.
Two days later, Las Vegas police transferred Brown to Clark County Detention Center and recorded his correct date of birth, race, and height. Officers also issued Brown a different identification number that was assigned to the older Shane Brown. He was then orderer by the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department to appear in front of a judge for the older Brown’s bench warrant but under the younger Brown’s race and date of birth.
The 23-year-old would spend four days in Clark County Detention Center before finally appearing in front of a district judge who released him after the two men’s booking photos were shown side by side in court.
Brown would spend a total of six days in jail.

Upon his release, Brown sued the Metropolitan Police Department, city of Henderson and the Henderson Police Department, according to the Urban Daily. The suit included compensatory damages under federal law of half a million dollars and $50,000 under state law.

A quick look at the warrant would have told the arresting officers, and the detention officers that they had the wrong man. But nobody could be bothered to do their due diligence, and Mr Brown had to spend 6 days in jail because of their negligence. This is why qualified immunity needs to be revisited by the Supremes. The cops know they are immune from civil litigation, and can act with impunity and callousness.

 

[Gospel]

The people who scream BLM & Antifa cost X amount of property damage are the same people who won't look at the cost of lawsuits against police every year.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How the Police Arrest a Black Man on a White Man’s Warrant

A Black Las Vegas man is suing the Henderson Police Department for arresting him on a warrant issued for a white man.

www.theroot.com

Upon his release, Brown sued the Metropolitan Police Department, city of Henderson and the Henderson Police Department, according to the Urban Daily. The suit included compensatory damages under federal law of half a million dollars and $50,000 under state law.

FYI: That $50k is a state limit in actions against the government. One of our worst laws.

 

[Coleman Smith]

For a good understanding of the effects of police misconduct and prosecutorial malpractice I recommend the TV show Death Row Stories.

Injustice resulting in improper conviction often results from a Brady Violation which is the improper with holding of exculpatory evidence by the prosecution. Misconduct by the police is not the only issue involved in false convictions.

Prosecutors, judges, and jurors may be involved.

The Murdaugh Family comes to mind when you discuss criminal prosecutors. (Double meaning intended).

​

False confessions have resulted in convictions that have been over turned in 360 cases.

 

[Coleman Smith]

When I jointed the military I was surprised at how many of my fellow soldiers were black.

I wondered why they would fight for a country that treated them so badly by both the police and otherwise.

 

[ZiprHead]

When I jointed the military I was surprised at how many of my fellow soldiers were black.

I wondered why they would fight for a country that treated them so badly by both the police and otherwise.

It's an easy way for the less fortunate to get a job and skills. I suspect that's the same for most of the recruits regardless of ethnicity.

 

[Gospel]

I didn't join the military but I am one of the America-loving black people. To me, America looks awesome on paper. She's page three of Jet Magazine, but when you meet her supporters not all of them are as attractive.

 

[Jarhyn]

I didn't join the military but I am one of the America-loving black people. To me, America looks awesome on paper. She's page three of Jet Magazine, but when you meet her supporters not all of them are as attractive.

America looks nice on paper after she gets cleaned up a bit, and puts on some studio makeup. When you meet her in person, admittedly, she still looks pretty nice, but she's much more human and hooo boy when she opens her mouth, you get a little crestfallen when she starts talking about 'those people', as if the italics don't come across on her tone.

 

[Toni]

When I jointed the military I was surprised at how many of my fellow soldiers were black.

I wondered why they would fight for a country that treated them so badly by both the police and otherwise.

It's an easy way for the less fortunate to get a job and skills. I suspect that's the same for most of the recruits regardless of ethnicity.

It’s also a way that some who are uncertain about their life’s direction go to …,get some direction, some discipline and, in at least one case I am all too familiar with, postpone determining the direction(s) of their future. Even from very solid, middle/upper middle class families. A bunch go for the help with education costs. Some enlist out of patriotism.

 

[Jarhyn]

one case I am all too familiar with, postpone determining the direction(s) of their future

Hey now, just because you aren't naming me doesn't mean I don't know who you're...

You're talking about someone else, aren't you?

 

[Toni]

one case I am all too familiar with, postpone determining the direction(s) of their future

Hey now, just because you aren't naming me doesn't mean I don't know who you're...

You're talking about someone else, aren't you?

Yep, someone who may or may not carry some of my genetic code......

Interestingly enough, a couple of sets of close friends (highly educated, professionals, both parents in both sets of friends) had sons who also went into the military, although at least they were smart enough to do it via ROTC, which mine eschewed...because he didn't want to be an officer.

For those who may be following this exchange, Jarhyn isn't my kid. But they do share some similarities.

 

[Jarhyn]

one case I am all too familiar with, postpone determining the direction(s) of their future

Hey now, just because you aren't naming me doesn't mean I don't know who you're...

You're talking about someone else, aren't you?

Yep, someone who may or may not carry some of my genetic code......

Interestingly enough, a couple of sets of close friends (highly educated, professionals, both parents in both sets of friends) had sons who also went into the military, although at least they were smart enough to do it via ROTC, which mine eschewed...because he didn't want to be an officer.

For those who may be following this exchange, Jarhyn isn't my kid. But they do share some similarities.

I also, in fact, eschewed officer training on account of wanting to play dumb for a while.

It was a very nice escape from the future and the past for me, given the awfulness of my relationship and the debts I incurred then.

It didn't last and I found myself in front of the magic box again. Apparently people feel nervous when the person with inordinate power to make their own decisions has a machine gun?

 

[Angry Floof]

When I jointed the military I was surprised at how many of my fellow soldiers were black.

I wondered why they would fight for a country that treated them so badly by both the police and otherwise.

It's an easy way for the less fortunate to get a job and skills. I suspect that's the same for most of the recruits regardless of ethnicity.

Economic and educational opportunity are the top motivations for military service. Just another reason the wealthy ruling class want poor people to stay poor and with no way to pay for education. The industrial military complex relies on those things being scarce except through an arrangement where they might die for it.

 

[ZiprHead]

When I jointed the military I was surprised at how many of my fellow soldiers were black.

I wondered why they would fight for a country that treated them so badly by both the police and otherwise.

It's an easy way for the less fortunate to get a job and skills. I suspect that's the same for most of the recruits regardless of ethnicity.

Economic and educational opportunity are the top motivations for military service. Just another reason the wealthy ruling class want poor people to stay poor and with no way to pay for education. The industrial military complex relies on those things being scarce except through an arrangement where they might die for it.

My brother joined the National Guard years after he got out of the Navy. He did so to help pay for his schooling. He ended up doing three tours in the Middle East. He, however, stayed in the guard until retirement as a Master Sargeant and a chest full of lettuce.

 

[Angry Floof]

When I jointed the military I was surprised at how many of my fellow soldiers were black.

I wondered why they would fight for a country that treated them so badly by both the police and otherwise.

It's an easy way for the less fortunate to get a job and skills. I suspect that's the same for most of the recruits regardless of ethnicity.

Economic and educational opportunity are the top motivations for military service. Just another reason the wealthy ruling class want poor people to stay poor and with no way to pay for education. The industrial military complex relies on those things being scarce except through an arrangement where they might die for it.

My brother joined the National Guard years after he got out of the Navy. He did so to help pay for his schooling. He ended up doing three tours in the Middle East. He, however, stayed in the guard until retirement as a Master Sargeant and a chest full of lettuce.

Google says chest lettuce is the hair that sticks out from the top of a hairy man's shirt. lol

 

[ZiprHead]

Google says chest lettuce is the hair that sticks out from the top of a hairy man's shirt. lol

He does have a somewhat hairy chest.

 

[ZiprHead]

3 cops charged in shooting death of 8-year-old girl outside Philly football game

Murder charges previously filed against two Black teenagers for firing the gunshots that prompted the officers to shoot were also dropped

www.pennlive.com

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Three police officers have been charged with manslaughter and reckless endangerment after firing their weapons in the direction of a crowd of people exiting a high school football game outside of Philadelphia, killing an 8-year-old girl and injuring three people.

A grand jury recommended the charges against the three Sharon Hill Police officers, Devon Smith, Sean Dolan and Brian Devaney, in the August 27 shooting that killed Fanta Bility. Murder charges previously filed against two Black teenagers for firing the gunshots that prompted the officers to shoot were also dropped Tuesday, according to a news release from the Delaware County District Attorney’s office.

Each officer was charged with 10 counts of reckless endangerment and one count of manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter, according the to the charging documents.

According to court records all three men had their preliminary arraignments Tuesday morning and each was released on unsecured $500,000 bail. A message left with law firm McMonagle, Perri, McHugh, Mischak & Davis, which is representing all three men, was not immediately returned Tuesday.

Three Sharon Hill officers have been charged in the fatal shooting of Fanta Bility​

Prosecutors have also pledged to withdraw murder charges against two teenagers in connection with Fanta's death.

Three Sharon Hill officers have been charged in the fatal shooting of Fanta Bility

Prosecutors have also pledged to withdraw murder charges against two teenagers in connection with Fanta's death.

www.inquirer.com

At the same time, the prosecutor’s office is withdrawing murder charges against two teenagers it had accused of contributing to the death by engaging in a gunfight 140 feet away that drew the officers’ fire. Those charges, filed late last year, had outraged some in the community who said it took the focus away from the police officers’ culpability in Fanta’s death.

The girl was shot Aug. 27 as she and her family were leaving the game at Academy Park High School. The officers had been monitoring the crowd as it dispersed, heard gunfire about a block away, and then turned to see a vehicle heading toward them.

Mistakenly believing the car was involved in that shooting, the officers opened fire, striking the car multiple times, investigators said. Bullets flew past the vehicle, hitting four people, including Fanta, who died at the scene in her mother’s arms.

 

[Coleman Smith]

Just my opinion but I believe both the teenagers and the police are jointly legally responsible and should all be charged.

 

[ZiprHead]

Just my opinion but I believe both the teenagers and the police are jointly legally responsible and should all be charged.

So if you hear gunfire a block away and just start randomly firing your weapon at innocent individuals the other person firing the gun should be charged with your crimes? That's ridiculous.

 

[Coleman Smith]

Just my opinion but I believe both the teenagers and the police are jointly legally responsible and should all be charged.

So if you hear gunfire a block away and just start randomly firing your weapon at innocent individuals the other person firing the gun should be charged with your crimes? That's ridiculous.

"should be charged with your crimes?"

No, they should be charged with their crimes.

Each individual is responsible for any crime they committed.

 

[Jarhyn]

Just my opinion but I believe both the teenagers and the police are jointly legally responsible and should all be charged.

So if you hear gunfire a block away and just start randomly firing your weapon at innocent individuals the other person firing the gun should be charged with your crimes? That's ridiculous.

"should be charged with your crimes?"

No, they should be charged with their crimes.

Each individual is responsible for any crime they committed.

And THEIR crimes had nothing to do with the death of a little girl.

Their crimes were reckless endangerment and a number of weapons charges, best viewed, handled, and discussed independently of ANY discussion of "who murdered this little girl in an irresponsible use of firearms", which is 100% the cops.

 

[ZiprHead]

^^^ What Jarhyn said.

 

[Coleman Smith]

Their crimes were reckless endangerment and a number of weapons charges

....and that is what they should have been charged with.