Police union asks deputies to not escort Dolphins until players stand for anthem

[Nice Squirrel]

If you paid for them, of course. If a movie theater hires a police detail on busy nights, are the police entitled to shirk their responsibility because the theater is airing a movie that's critical of police?

Wait, so I have to pay for government services to which I am entitled now?

In the scenario above the police were hired to be on site. You are not entitled to a police officer stationed in your theater.

If it's all about money I guess they can hire someone else who wants the job.

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They can do it on their free time

But football players should be able to do it while on the job?

Their employer supports them. It has no problem with their behavior.

 

[Deepak]

If you paid for them, of course. If a movie theater hires a police detail on busy nights, are the police entitled to shirk their responsibility because the theater is airing a movie that's critical of police?

Wait, so I have to pay for government services to which I am entitled now?

If it's all about money I guess they can hire someone else who wants the job.

Security details and police escorts, for private individuals or organizations, are contracted. Is your opinion that unions can unilaterally choose not to deliver services, essentially flouting contract law, because they're offended?

 

[untermensche]

They can do it on their free time

But football players should be able to do it while on the job?

Do what?

Refuse to play?

Stop the show in any way?

 

[Trausti]

From the OP:

The union is asking for team-sponsored police escorts to stop until the team forces players to stand for the anthem.

The police arrangement probably differs among sports teams, but there is no obligation for the police to act as escorts at sports game. The above statement shows that the union wants police officers to decline being part of a "team-sponsored" police escort. So this isn't about cops shirking their duties; this is cops protesting by choosing not to do the extra work. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[repoman]

Just hire the Nation of Islam to be their escorts.

 

[untermensche]

From the OP:

The union is asking for team-sponsored police escorts to stop until the team forces players to stand for the anthem.

The police arrangement probably differs among sports teams, but there is no obligation for the police to act as escorts at sports game. The above statement shows that the union wants police officers to decline being part of a "team-sponsored" police escort. So this isn't about cops shirking their duties; this is cops protesting by choosing not to do the extra work. Nothing wrong with that.

Get rid of them.

Are they doing anything essential that private security would not be able to do?

The police are there because they want to be there. They like to mingle with the players.

 

[Angry Floof]

What else would we expect? Sportsball is training in irrational jingoism.

 

[Deepak]

From the OP:

The union is asking for team-sponsored police escorts to stop until the team forces players to stand for the anthem.

The police arrangement probably differs among sports teams, but there is no obligation for the police to act as escorts at sports game. The above statement shows that the union wants police officers to decline being part of a "team-sponsored" police escort. So this isn't about cops shirking their duties; this is cops protesting by choosing not to do the extra work. Nothing wrong with that.

Do you have some evidence that they contract these escorts on a game-by-game basis? It's certainly possible but highly unlikely that they do that instead of arriving at a full-season agreement.

 

[Angry Floof]

Headline should read: "Delusional, self-righteous RWA bootlickers openly display American stupidity."

 

[Nice Squirrel]

From the OP:

The union is asking for team-sponsored police escorts to stop until the team forces players to stand for the anthem.

The police arrangement probably differs among sports teams, but there is no obligation for the police to act as escorts at sports game. The above statement shows that the union wants police officers to decline being part of a "team-sponsored" police escort. So this isn't about cops shirking their duties; this is cops protesting by choosing not to do the extra work. Nothing wrong with that.

Yep. My problem with the Lynx police walk out, was that they walked out without warning.

 

[Trausti]

From the OP:



The police arrangement probably differs among sports teams, but there is no obligation for the police to act as escorts at sports game. The above statement shows that the union wants police officers to decline being part of a "team-sponsored" police escort. So this isn't about cops shirking their duties; this is cops protesting by choosing not to do the extra work. Nothing wrong with that.

Do you have some evidence that they contract these escorts on a game-by-game basis? It's certainly possible but highly unlikely that they do that instead of arriving at a full-season agreement.

Well, I don't know that. But what I do know is that police officers have no obligation to escort. The arrangement is entirely voluntary.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

From the OP:



The police arrangement probably differs among sports teams, but there is no obligation for the police to act as escorts at sports game. The above statement shows that the union wants police officers to decline being part of a "team-sponsored" police escort. So this isn't about cops shirking their duties; this is cops protesting by choosing not to do the extra work. Nothing wrong with that.

Do you have some evidence that they contract these escorts on a game-by-game basis? It's certainly possible but highly unlikely that they do that instead of arriving at a full-season agreement.

I would assume so and I also assume the department has officers that would fill in for the little babies who are offended.

 

[Horatio Parker]

AFAICT it's directed at Union members. Also, the union is "asking", perhaps because they don't want to lose face when POs do it anyway.


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[Loren Pechtel]

If you paid for them, of course. If a movie theater hires a police detail on busy nights, are the police entitled to shirk their responsibility because the theater is airing a movie that's critical of police?

They are certainly entitled to refuse the gig if the theater is playing garbage like this film for example.

Doesn't matter why, they're free to refuse the gig, period.

 

[dismal]

From the OP:



The police arrangement probably differs among sports teams, but there is no obligation for the police to act as escorts at sports game. The above statement shows that the union wants police officers to decline being part of a "team-sponsored" police escort. So this isn't about cops shirking their duties; this is cops protesting by choosing not to do the extra work. Nothing wrong with that.

Yep. My problem with the Lynx police walk out, was that they walked out without warning.

But protesting on a freeway is good?

I thought you were supposed to make things inconvenient on people when you protest something.

Principles...changing.

 

[untermensche]

Yep. My problem with the Lynx police walk out, was that they walked out without warning.

But protesting on a freeway is good?

I thought you were supposed to make things inconvenient on people when you protest something.

Principles...changing.

All things are relative.

When some group has real power what they do matters much more than what people with very little power do.

A police protest is heard and broadcast loud and on the front page.

It all depends on what a society makes necessary for people with legitimate complaints to be heard.

Because the government responds in relation to your wealth, not the legitimacy of your complaint.

But I'm a supporter of the methods of Ghandi. Non-violent disruption, but disruption.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I think the key to whether this is acceptable is based on why the Sheriff's department is providing the escorts.

If the city council (or whomever the Sheriff reports to) passed a law/resolution/whatever stating that escorts for the football players is one of the services that the sheriffs provide, due to the negative economic impact of them not getting to the game or whatever other rationale they felt made these players more equal than anyone else going to work, then the deputies cannot take the political views of the players into account when providing these services and need to continue providing these escorts as part of their official duties.

If, however, it's just kind a thing that they decided to do in order to support the team or whatever and it's not actually one of their official duties, then they can stop doing it whenever they want for whatever reasons they want. If they had said that they'll do it for the players they agree with politically and not the ones they disagree with, that would be a separate issue, but since they're stopping this non-official duty for everyone, that's fine.

Well, if people can shut down a freeway to protest (which is against the law), surely these noble union members can also make their statement in contravention of a law.

Unless you are some sort of fascist who wants to limit their speech.

Well, that's some serious false equivalence. One is private individuals doing things on their own time and the other is public individuals doing things on the taxpayers' time and letting their partisan ideologies interfere with their official duties.

There isn't a comparison between the two outside of crazy land.

 

[dismal]

Well, if people can shut down a freeway to protest (which is against the law), surely these noble union members can also make their statement in contravention of a law.

Unless you are some sort of fascist who wants to limit their speech.

Well, that's some serious false equivalence. One is private individuals doing things on their own time and the other is public individuals doing things on the taxpayers' time and letting their partisan ideologies interfere with their official duties.

There isn't a comparison between the two outside of crazy land.

I am not bought off on this idea that providing security for hire to millionaire entertainers for extra cash is a "official duty".

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, that's some serious false equivalence. One is private individuals doing things on their own time and the other is public individuals doing things on the taxpayers' time and letting their partisan ideologies interfere with their official duties.

There isn't a comparison between the two outside of crazy land.

I am not bought off on this idea that providing security for hire to millionaire entertainers for extra cash is a "official duty".

Yes, that was the central theme of the post which you responded to and, I assume, read first.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Am I the only one here that in reading the thread title pictured police escorting dolphins through an aquarium at a hostile crowd at Sea World?