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8 years late. The obsessions continue.

I guess it too much to expect you to understand that political humor needs to be topical in order to be funny.


And yet he won 45% of independents in 2012....

Touched a nerve hey! Because the left will not accept they lost the race in 2016, and the fact they think Obama IS the messiah to this day, I think he and Killery are always on topic here and elsewhere!
 

Touched a nerve hey! Because the left will not accept they lost the race in 2016, and the fact they think Obama IS the messiah to this day, I think he and Killery are always on topic here and elsewhere!

I'm not sure that the left thinks Obama is the Messiah. A competent president? Sure. A man of above-average character? No doubt. Perfect savior of humanity? Not at all.

On the other hand...



There are lots of legitimate criticisms of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to be made without mischaracterizing your political opponents' position.
 

Touched a nerve hey! Because the left will not accept they lost the race in 2016, and the fact they think Obama IS the messiah to this day, I think he and Killery are always on topic here and elsewhere!

I'm not sure that the left thinks Obama is the Messiah. A competent president? Sure. A man of above-average character? No doubt. Perfect savior of humanity? Not at all.

On the other hand...



There are lots of legitimate criticisms of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to be made without mischaracterizing your political opponents' position.

Even after shipping pallets of cash to the Iranians in the middle of the night?
 
By the way. Has anyone actually bought her crummy book?

 What Happened (Clinton book)

Domestic sales

Copies of What Happened during Clinton's appearance at the Hill Auditorium in October 2017
The hardcover edition was published on September 12, 2017; it immediately went to the top of the Barnes & Noble, Amazon,[24] and the USA Today bestseller lists.[25]

It debuted at number one on The New York Times Best Seller List for both hardcover nonfiction and combined print and e-book nonfiction sales where it stayed for 2 weeks.[26][27] It dropped to number two on both lists in its third week.[28] By the beginning of November it had spent six weeks in the top four positions of the list.[29] By the beginning of January 2018 the book had spent sixteen weeks on the list.[30] The following week it fell off.[31]

What Happened sold 300,000 copies in its first week.[32][33] The first-week sales were lower than her 2003 memoir, Living History, but triple the first-week sales of Clinton's previous memoir, 2014's Hard Choices.[32][34]

The first-week hardcover sales for What Happened were 167,000.[32][33] This marked the strongest hardcover debut for a nonfiction book since 2012's No Easy Day.[32] Simon & Schuster also announced that What Happened sold more e-books in its first-week than any nonfiction book had since 2010.[32]

The book debuted at number one of the Publishers Weekly "Top 10 overall" and "hardcover nonfiction" bestseller lists. In its third week on the lists, it dropped to number three of the "Top 10 overall" and to number two of the "hardcover nonfiction" lists with a total of 311,982 hardcover copies sold.[35][36] As of December 10, 2017, the book had sold 448,947 hardcover copies.

Yup.
 
By the way. Has anyone actually bought her crummy book?

 What Happened (Clinton book)

Domestic sales

Copies of What Happened during Clinton's appearance at the Hill Auditorium in October 2017
The hardcover edition was published on September 12, 2017; it immediately went to the top of the Barnes & Noble, Amazon,[24] and the USA Today bestseller lists.[25]

It debuted at number one on The New York Times Best Seller List for both hardcover nonfiction and combined print and e-book nonfiction sales where it stayed for 2 weeks.[26][27] It dropped to number two on both lists in its third week.[28] By the beginning of November it had spent six weeks in the top four positions of the list.[29] By the beginning of January 2018 the book had spent sixteen weeks on the list.[30] The following week it fell off.[31]

What Happened sold 300,000 copies in its first week.[32][33] The first-week sales were lower than her 2003 memoir, Living History, but triple the first-week sales of Clinton's previous memoir, 2014's Hard Choices.[32][34]

The first-week hardcover sales for What Happened were 167,000.[32][33] This marked the strongest hardcover debut for a nonfiction book since 2012's No Easy Day.[32] Simon & Schuster also announced that What Happened sold more e-books in its first-week than any nonfiction book had since 2010.[32]

The book debuted at number one of the Publishers Weekly "Top 10 overall" and "hardcover nonfiction" bestseller lists. In its third week on the lists, it dropped to number three of the "Top 10 overall" and to number two of the "hardcover nonfiction" lists with a total of 311,982 hardcover copies sold.[35][36] As of December 10, 2017, the book had sold 448,947 hardcover copies.

Yup.

There's a hell of a lot of Democrats in America, likely about half the US population. A large proportion of those people still haven't accepted Killery's defeat in 2016. Why anyone would want to read the ranting and raving of why she thinks she lost is beyond me!
 
After 2020, when Cheeto loses and sinks into legal quagmires, there will be a rather large crop of books to come. "What Happened - The Rise And Fall of Donald J. Trump". The post-mortem of the Trump years will be one of the most written topics of political books of the near future.

Then the battle over the carcass of the GOP will begin. Will it be a final extremist tea party take over? The rise of the next GOP demagogue populist? The attempt at mainstream Republicans to steer back to the center and relative sanity? Will the GOP collapse as a national party and lapse into local fly over red state organizations? Stay tuned for the madness this will all descend into.
 
After 2020, when Cheeto loses and sinks into legal quagmires, there will be a rather large crop of books to come. "What Happened - The Rise And Fall of Donald J. Trump". The post-mortem of the Trump years will be one of the most written topics of political books of the near future.

Then the battle over the carcass of the GOP will begin. Will it be a final extremist tea party take over? The rise of the next GOP demagogue populist? The attempt at mainstream Republicans to steer back to the center and relative sanity? Will the GOP collapse as a national party and lapse into local fly over red state organizations? Stay tuned for the madness this will all descend into.

Does your crystal balls tell you all this, or is it wishful thinking?
 
After 2020, when Cheeto loses and sinks into legal quagmires, there will be a rather large crop of books to come. "What Happened - The Rise And Fall of Donald J. Trump". The post-mortem of the Trump years will be one of the most written topics of political books of the near future.

Then the battle over the carcass of the GOP will begin. Will it be a final extremist tea party take over? The rise of the next GOP demagogue populist? The attempt at mainstream Republicans to steer back to the center and relative sanity? Will the GOP collapse as a national party and lapse into local fly over red state organizations? Stay tuned for the madness this will all descend into.

Does your crystal balls tell you all this, or is it wishful thinking?

It's mostly questions... no crystal ball needed. The decomposition of the rancid GOP is already a reality to anyone whose eyes are open.
 
You are aware that the Trumpets approval rating is approx the same as Obams's were at the same period of their term?
 
After 2020, when Cheeto loses and sinks into legal quagmires, there will be a rather large crop of books to come. "What Happened - The Rise And Fall of Donald J. Trump". The post-mortem of the Trump years will be one of the most written topics of political books of the near future.

Then the battle over the carcass of the GOP will begin. Will it be a final extremist tea party take over? The rise of the next GOP demagogue populist? The attempt at mainstream Republicans to steer back to the center and relative sanity? Will the GOP collapse as a national party and lapse into local fly over red state organizations? Stay tuned for the madness this will all descend into.

Does your crystal balls tell you all this, or is it wishful thinking?

It's mostly questions... no crystal ball needed. The decomposition of the rancid GOP is already a reality to anyone whose eyes are open.

I don't agree at all. I think this is the death of the old elite. Right now the voters are extremely sick of the old elites. For emotional bullshit reasons. The old elites did a great job. But they're failing to say the right words that the new generation of voters wants to hear. Whenever that arrives then things will stabalise. But I think Trump was the first of a long line of these populists. Last time we saw a major shift in economic power we saw a rise in populism. I think this is the same. The new lords of the world aren't bankers and lawyers anymore. It's the tech nerds. Get ready for a world dominated by those guys. And it's anyone's guess how that will look. The dreams and aspirations of our elites matter. It shapes the entire society.
 
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

Observing the last British elections where a rabid socialist [Corbyn] came withing a hair of gaining office, mainly on the back of the under 40 voters who have never experienced socialism, never lived under the threat of the cold war or observed what life was like behind the Iron or Bamboo Curtain and have lived through an unprecedented period of growth and development that's reduced poverty to negligible levels in most of the world.

These under 40's will in all probabilities keep voting for a socialist ideology until they must learn the hard way that there's no such thing as a free lunch!
 
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

Observing the last British elections where a rabid socialist [Corbyn] came withing a hair of gaining office, mainly on the back of the under 40 voters who have never experienced socialism, never lived under the threat of the cold war or observed what life was like behind the Iron or Bamboo Curtain and have lived through an unprecedented period of growth and development that's reduced poverty to negligible levels in most of the world.

These under 40's will in all probabilities keep voting for a socialist ideology until they must learn the hard way that there's no such thing as a free lunch!

Angelo is experiencing socialism right now because he lives on the age pension, something that under-40 taxpayers like me are providing to him so he doesn't slip into poverty.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", you might say.
 
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

Observing the last British elections where a rabid socialist [Corbyn] came withing a hair of gaining office, mainly on the back of the under 40 voters who have never experienced socialism, never lived under the threat of the cold war or observed what life was like behind the Iron or Bamboo Curtain and have lived through an unprecedented period of growth and development that's reduced poverty to negligible levels in most of the world.

These under 40's will in all probabilities keep voting for a socialist ideology until they must learn the hard way that there's no such thing as a free lunch!

Angelo is experiencing socialism right now because he lives on the age pension, something that under-40 taxpayers like me are providing to him so he doesn't slip into poverty.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", you might say.

I've paid taxes for perhaps 5 decades, you know, the policy introduced by government a long time ago so's as to provide for a pension. Expanded by the Bob Hawke/Paul Keating government [quite possibly the best government Australia ever had] into superannuation where a % of a persons pay was paid into a superannuation fund for the same reason, but hopefully to enable people to provide for their own retirement and in time wean them off a government pension.
 
I've paid taxes for perhaps 5 decades, you know

So what? The money you paid in tax is long gone. Now you're bludging a "free lunch" from a socialist welfare system.

Without socialism, you'd die in poverty because you didn't live within your means and save for retirement. And without our socialist healthcare system, you'd probably die in painful misery, as well.
 
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