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Polls And Surveys - Trump Will Lose In 2020

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https://www.alternet.org/2019/08/it...mographic-that-could-kill-his-2020-hopes-wsj/

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Much ink has been spilled about the decline of the Republican Party’s support among women. The GOP lost the female vote in the 2018 midterm elections by 19 points, and President Donald Trump all but certain to lose that demographic once again in the 2020 presidential election.
But according to the Wall Street Journal, women are not the only major voting bloc that Trump has to worry about. He is also slipping among senior citizens.

Elderly voters backed Trump 52 to 45 in the 2016 election. But according to a WSJ/NBC poll taken in June, Trump’s approval with senior citizens is only 2 points higher than the national average — and these voters want him defeated in 2020 by a margin of 48 to 41.
Trump cannot win re-election without solid support from elderly voters. The WSJ/NBC poll finds that Trump’s approval with voters aged 18 to 34 is just 33 percent, and Democratic candidates have a broad package of policies attractive to younger voters like student loan forgiveness and climate action.
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Younger voters, Generation X, Millennials, and Generation Z in the 2018 elections turned out in larger numbers than the Baby Boomer and Silent generation. Educated Suburban voters abandoned the GOP in drives.

The question is, when the numbers don't work for Trump come 2020, what will Trump do? What craziness will a desperate Trump resort to? By 2020, it looks like any Democrat could beat Trump. Sponge Bob Squarepants will be able to beat Trump in 2020.

The GOP's attacks on abortion, birth control, Planned Parenthood and Obamacare may very well energize Trump hostile women voters, ensuring an end to women voter apathy. The horrors at the border will energize the Hispanic voters as well.

Will Faux Nooz program hosts be committing hari kari on air the day after election day?
 
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We'll have to wait & see. I think it's way to early to predict 2020 final results. I'd find any predictions of who the Democrats nominate questionable at this time. We'll have to see what the political mood in swing states is closer to the election before we can reasonably tell if Trump is likely going to get reelected or unseated.
 

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Trump will win in a landslide. The majority of voters are turned off by the leftist ideas of socialism and communism. Those policies have failed everywhere. People who know history understand this. But, the younger generation doesn't understand history so they think socialism and communism is great. They have no clue.

The left wants the government to run everything, which is a proven disaster. Government will always mess up. Now Bernie wants to raise taxes to pay for medicare for all. AOC wants to raise taxes for carbon taxes. Americans are sick and tired of raising taxes for nonsense.

These people think medicare for all will fix everything. Sorry, it won't. You have a poor family waiting for surgery and a rich man walks into the hospital, pays the doctor 5,000 cash and he goes to the front of the line. Let's see how much people love medicare for all then.
 

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Now Bernie wants to raise taxes to pay for medicare for all.

Really? I thought he wanted to change how we spend the taxes we are paying...
Got a cite for your vlaim, here?

I watched his town hall debate. He said your health insurance bills will go away and your taxes will be raised by a smaller increase than what you paid for your previous health insurance.

Sounds slimey. This means that if someone has health insurance coverage by their employer, their taxes will be raised more anyway. Now, these people end up paying more than they did under Trump!
 

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Trump will lose in 2020 unless the Dems overreach. Unfortunately, that's exactly what Dems are fixing to do.
 

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Overreach is Trump's middle name. By November 2020, Trump fatigue will assure Trump's defeat. Women have abandoned him. The younger voters already despise him. Old voters are giving up on Trump. Independents are not Trump friendly. Goodbye FFvC!
 

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Now Bernie wants to raise taxes to pay for medicare for all.

Really? I thought he wanted to change how we spend the taxes we are paying...
Got a cite for your vlaim, here?

I watched his town hall debate. He said your health insurance bills will go away and your taxes will be raised by a smaller increase than what you paid for your previous health insurance.
you continue to fail.
1) i asked for a cite, not an anecdote
2) you have shown no ability to actually comprehend things said clearly to you, and post links that actually run counter to your claims
3) so, i still need a citation for your claim
 

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I watched his town hall debate. He said your health insurance bills will go away and your taxes will be raised by a smaller increase than what you paid for your previous health insurance.
you continue to fail.
1) i asked for a cite, not an anecdote
2) you have shown no ability to actually comprehend things said clearly to you, and post links that actually run counter to your claims
3) so, i still need a citation for your claim

My source is straight from Bernie's own mouth! It is not an anecdote IF THE PERSON HIMSELF SAYS IT!

C'mon guys!
 

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Trump’s strategy in the next election will be exactly like his strategy in the last one. Fire up his base and get everyone else so disgusted by the entire thing that they just don’t want to participate at all and then try to squeak through at the margins.

If it were a country other then America, that would be a really stupid strategy, but you people are frigging dumb.
 

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I watched his town hall debate. He said your health insurance bills will go away and your taxes will be raised by a smaller increase than what you paid for your previous health insurance.
you continue to fail.
1) i asked for a cite, not an anecdote
2) you have shown no ability to actually comprehend things said clearly to you, and post links that actually run counter to your claims
3) so, i still need a citation for your claim

My source is straight from Bernie's own mouth! It is not an anecdote IF THE PERSON HIMSELF SAYS IT!

C'mon guys!
Right now, YOU say YOU heard HIM say something.
Without an actual cite, that's an anecdote.
Do you have anyone else quoting him as saying that you say he said? Because I don't trust your ability to listen for comprehension.
 

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I watched his town hall debate. He said your health insurance bills will go away and your taxes will be raised by a smaller increase than what you paid for your previous health insurance.
you continue to fail.
1) i asked for a cite, not an anecdote
2) you have shown no ability to actually comprehend things said clearly to you, and post links that actually run counter to your claims
3) so, i still need a citation for your claim

My source is straight from Bernie's own mouth! It is not an anecdote IF THE PERSON HIMSELF SAYS IT!

C'mon guys!

While I don't usually agree with Half Life, he's correct this time. Bernie did finally admit during the last debate that taxes would have to be raised on the middle class in order to support M for All.
 

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Bernie has also proposed a very small tax on stock trades. 0.02% Programmed electronic traders can sometimes make hundreds of trades a day for large sums of money. I note the Republicans have no qualms about sin taxes on beer and wine and alcohol.
 

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Trump’s strategy in the next election will be exactly like his strategy in the last one. Fire up his base and get everyone else so disgusted by the entire thing that they just don’t want to participate at all and then try to squeak through at the margins.

If it were a country other then America, that would be a really stupid strategy, but you people are frigging dumb.

Sadly that is quite accurate.

Trumpty Dumpty could certainly win in 2020 and it all depends on who the Dems have on their ticket. I certainly hope that whoever it is has enough emotion and intellect to address Trump's stupidity head-on, and not play PR like Hillary did.

You have to tell the fuck-stick he's a fuck-stick, and do it with enthusiasm. People like a champion that will fight. You have to use phrases like Don the Con and Idiot in Chief, Putin's Puppet. You cannot let his hate go unanswered. You have to make him small. Without being a bully yourself you have to let him know he is just another run-of-the-mill punk.
 

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My source is straight from Bernie's own mouth! It is not an anecdote IF THE PERSON HIMSELF SAYS IT!

C'mon guys!

While I don't usually agree with Half Life, he's correct this time. Bernie did finally admit during the last debate that taxes would have to be raised on the middle class in order to support M for All.

Stopped clocks...
Yeah they asked the same loaded question to all the candidates, and all of them tried to clarify that while it would put more money in the pockets of taxpayers, it would do so by lowering or eliminating premiums and deductibles, and increasing taxes by less than what was thereby saved. Bernie was a little too straightforward with his answer.
 

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Trump will win in a landslide. The majority of voters are turned off by the leftist ideas of socialism and communism. Those policies have failed everywhere. People who know history understand this. But, the younger generation doesn't understand history so they think socialism and communism is great. They have no clue.

The left wants the government to run everything, which is a proven disaster. Government will always mess up. Now Bernie wants to raise taxes to pay for medicare for all. AOC wants to raise taxes for carbon taxes. Americans are sick and tired of raising taxes for nonsense.

These people think medicare for all will fix everything. Sorry, it won't. You have a poor family waiting for surgery and a rich man walks into the hospital, pays the doctor 5,000 cash and he goes to the front of the line. Let's see how much people love medicare for all then.

Even I, a person who believes the left fails to represent what is best for society, knows that what you wrote is a total lie, perpetuated out of the False News Network (not that MSNBC is any better). You have to be willfully ignorant to say that Democrats want socialism.. unless having police and fire departments are socalism.. which they are not.. social programs does not equal "government owns all property and wealth". They are nothing alike and the argument makes us just look stupid. So stop perpetuating the ridiculousness... its like the Left saying that Trump is a Republican Russian Spy. No one is buying it.
 

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My source is straight from Bernie's own mouth! It is not an anecdote IF THE PERSON HIMSELF SAYS IT!

C'mon guys!

While I don't usually agree with Half Life, he's correct this time. Bernie did finally admit during the last debate that taxes would have to be raised on the middle class in order to support M for All.

At this point, though, I still have to ask if Halfie can even find a way to cite this fact. He has never, ever been able to show he even understands what a 'cite' would be. Or why it's important. Or why no one would be willing to accept 'I saw it one time on the TV' from him.
 

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NEVER count the Orange Hate-Scrotum out. Also, it's too damn early to know what this flip-flopping, veering, weaving, dodging, lurching country is going to do in 15 months. The only thing I think is predictable is that the GOP's CCY (campaign cave-yawp) is going to be "SOCIALISM!!!!!" And socialism is a word that doesn't have much definitional substance anymore. It just means, 'I don't like it.' Who's to say America isn't still ripe for more demagogic conquest?
 

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... its like the Left saying that Trump is a Republican Russian Spy. No one is buying it.

Who on the left is stupid enough to think that anyone in their right mind would employ the orange moron - especially as a spy, of all things. His disloyalty and incompetence in all pursuits is legend.
Of course he's not a Russian spy - he's a Russian puppet. And he barely has the intellect of a marionette.
 

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... its like the Left saying that Trump is a Republican Russian Spy. No one is buying it.

Who on the left is stupid enough to think that anyone in their right mind would employ the orange moron - especially as a spy, of all things. His disloyalty and incompetence in all pursuits is legend.
Of course he's not a Russian spy - he's a Russian puppet. And he barely has the intellect of a marionette.

yes, that is what I am saying... That is is equally dumb to claim the Democrats want America to be a Socialist Country... or am I wrong? As for Who on that side claims it... several.. NY Magazine and CNN, for example.
 

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Bernie has also proposed a very small tax on stock trades. 0.02% Programmed electronic traders can sometimes make hundreds of trades a day for large sums of money. I note the Republicans have no qualms about sin taxes on beer and wine and alcohol.

Isn't that scary? The man who wants to give power back to the people wants to raise taxes on the middle class. I thought he was all about punishing the 1% to be taxed higher so they can pay for everything? Instead, he's punishing the middle class. He really is a sneaky little man.
 

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Bernie has also proposed a very small tax on stock trades. 0.02% Programmed electronic traders can sometimes make hundreds of trades a day for large sums of money. I note the Republicans have no qualms about sin taxes on beer and wine and alcohol.

The stock tax is a stupid idea--those high volume trades are looking for tiny advantage, taxing them will make that unprofitable and thus make a major reduction in transactions, it won't raise anything like what they are envisioning.
 

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Bernie has also proposed a very small tax on stock trades. 0.02% Programmed electronic traders can sometimes make hundreds of trades a day for large sums of money. I note the Republicans have no qualms about sin taxes on beer and wine and alcohol.

The stock tax is a stupid idea--those high volume trades are looking for tiny advantage, taxing them will make that unprofitable and thus make a major reduction in transactions, it won't raise anything like what they are envisioning.

Taxes on middle class stock purchasers would be minimal. It would mainly tax the large stock trading firms, and hedge funds that make many computer programmed trades each day. Analysis shows it will not raise the $3 trillion Sanders claimed, instead it will raise only $400 billions. But close the loopholes that allow big corporations to earn billions in profits and pay little or no taxes, and cut back on the massive tax cuts of Trump and Bush that go mostly to the already outrageously wealthy 1% and corporations and we have the start on a balanced budget, and saving social programs that Mitch McConnell wants to cut, to "balance the budget". Anything is better than what the GOP has given us at this point.
 

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My source is straight from Bernie's own mouth! It is not an anecdote IF THE PERSON HIMSELF SAYS IT!

C'mon guys!

While I don't usually agree with Half Life, he's correct this time. Bernie did finally admit during the last debate that taxes would have to be raised on the middle class in order to support M for All.

At this point, though, I still have to ask if Halfie can even find a way to cite this fact. He has never, ever been able to show he even understands what a 'cite' would be. Or why it's important. Or why no one would be willing to accept 'I saw it one time on the TV' from him.

Well, I only mentioned it because even a broken clock is right twice a day. So, even Halfy is going to say something true once in awhile. I just wanted to give him credit for his rare truthful remark. ;)
 

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Bernie has also proposed a very small tax on stock trades. 0.02% Programmed electronic traders can sometimes make hundreds of trades a day for large sums of money. I note the Republicans have no qualms about sin taxes on beer and wine and alcohol.

The stock tax is a stupid idea--those high volume trades are looking for tiny advantage, taxing them will make that unprofitable and thus make a major reduction in transactions, it won't raise anything like what they are envisioning.
High volume trades is a bullshit art that does little but create inflation. If it makes it unprofitable to make money due to rounding errors, then boo fucking hoo.
 

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Morning Joe had a segment today with the author of a new book, The Immoral Majority. (Forgot his name.) The book details all the moral compromises made by today's Christian Right when they got all Trumpy. This guy claims that some evangelicals have just recently started to question Trump's character. Reason? He's now shouting 'goddamns' at his rallies, as in, "We're gonna hit them so goddamned hard..." So that's the deal breaker? Wonderful. Now awaiting the Revolt of the Home-Schooled.
 

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Morning Joe had a segment today with the author of a new book, The Immoral Majority. (Forgot his name.) The book details all the moral compromises made by today's Christian Right when they got all Trumpy. This guy claims that some evangelicals have just recently started to question Trump's character. Reason? He's now shouting 'goddamns' at his rallies, as in, "We're gonna hit them so goddamned hard..." So that's the deal breaker? Wonderful. Now awaiting the Revolt of the Home-Schooled.

https://www.amazon.com/Immoral-Majority-Good-Christians-Leaders/dp/0062797115
 

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Bernie has also proposed a very small tax on stock trades. 0.02% Programmed electronic traders can sometimes make hundreds of trades a day for large sums of money. I note the Republicans have no qualms about sin taxes on beer and wine and alcohol.

The stock tax is a stupid idea--those high volume trades are looking for tiny advantage, taxing them will make that unprofitable and thus make a major reduction in transactions, it won't raise anything like what they are envisioning.

Taxes on middle class stock purchasers would be minimal. It would mainly tax the large stock trading firms, and hedge funds that make many computer programmed trades each day. Analysis shows it will not raise the $3 trillion Sanders claimed, instead it will raise only $400 billions. But close the loopholes that allow big corporations to earn billions in profits and pay little or no taxes, and cut back on the massive tax cuts of Trump and Bush that go mostly to the already outrageously wealthy 1% and corporations and we have the start on a balanced budget, and saving social programs that Mitch McConnell wants to cut, to "balance the budget". Anything is better than what the GOP has given us at this point.

They're still paying normal income tax on those gains.

I'm in favor of repealing His Flatulence's whole tax measure but I'm not in favor of trying to find as many things to tax as possible. There should only be a few taxes.
 

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Bernie has also proposed a very small tax on stock trades. 0.02% Programmed electronic traders can sometimes make hundreds of trades a day for large sums of money. I note the Republicans have no qualms about sin taxes on beer and wine and alcohol.

The stock tax is a stupid idea--those high volume trades are looking for tiny advantage, taxing them will make that unprofitable and thus make a major reduction in transactions, it won't raise anything like what they are envisioning.
High volume trades is a bullshit art that does little but create inflation. If it makes it unprofitable to make money due to rounding errors, then boo fucking hoo.

Unfortunately, you're throwing out the baby of arbitrage trades in the process.
 

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Morning Joe had a segment today with the author of a new book, The Immoral Majority. (Forgot his name.) The book details all the moral compromises made by today's Christian Right when they got all Trumpy. This guy claims that some evangelicals have just recently started to question Trump's character. Reason? He's now shouting 'goddamns' at his rallies, as in, "We're gonna hit them so goddamned hard..." So that's the deal breaker? Wonderful. Now awaiting the Revolt of the Home-Schooled.

The Moral Majority is neither.
 

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While his popularity hasn't dropped, despite scandal and stupidity, do you think we are seeing a demoralization among his supporters that may affect turnout?
 

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While his popularity hasn't dropped, despite scandal and stupidity, do you think we are seeing a demoralization among his supporters that may affect turnout?
His base seems quite happy. Many of them are probably having a grand ole time with his presidency. The problem with hoping his base find political Jesus is that they have pretty much convinced themselves that Trump is great, no matter what he does. Short of banning guns, I don't see the base going anywhere. The question is will turnout among evangelicals be kind to him, and what will Democrat turnout be.
 

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I am still not convinced that Trump will lose in 2020. Hillary managed to lose to him. She was a bad candidate, but not uniquely bad.
 

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I am still not convinced that Trump will lose in 2020. Hillary managed to lose to him. She was a bad candidate, but not uniquely bad.

That is a very good point. US Democrats also have a long track record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory as well.
 

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High volume trades is a bullshit art that does little but create inflation. If it makes it unprofitable to make money due to rounding errors, then boo fucking hoo.

Unfortunately, you're throwing out the baby of arbitrage trades in the process.
That "baby" is ugly and must die

Parts of the market won't operate without arbitrage traders keeping things in balance. They are what keeps things in sync that are supposed to be in sync.
 

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Of interest:

The online polling firm Civiqs has published a new set of state-by-state job-approval ratings for Trump as of August 11, and it shows how the president’s overall standing (a 43 percent approval rating nationally, which happens to match the current RealClearPolitics polling average) might translate into electorate votes. It’s not a pretty picture for the president, to put it mildly.

Civiqs shows the president’s net approval ratios being underwater (i.e., negative) in 10 states he carried in 2016: Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Michigan, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, and Wisconsin. If that were to represent how the 2020 elections turn out, Trump would have a booming 119 electoral votes. And it’s not as though he’s on a knife’s edge between victory and defeat in all these Trump 2016 states where he’s doing poorly: He’s underwater by 12 points in Pennsylvania, 11 in Michigan, and nine in Arizona, North Carolina, and Wisconsin. And there’s virtually no indication that states that narrowly went for Clinton in 2016 are trending in Trump’s direction: His approval ratios are minus 18 in Colorado, minus 15 in Minnesota, minus 12 in Nevada, and minus 27 in New Hampshire. These are, by the way, polls of registered voters, not just “adults,” so they should be a relatively sound reflection of the views of the electorate.
 

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Has it occurred to you that maybe Trump supporters stopped wearing all the gear because they were getting sick and tired of their lives being threatened by leftist fascists?

Lots of those at the Sturgis bike rally :rolleyes:
 

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Has it occurred to you that maybe Trump supporters stopped wearing all the gear because they were getting sick and tired of their lives being threatened by leftist fascists?

Lots of those at the Sturgis bike rally :rolleyes:

Both my older brothers are bikers and leftists. And veterans for that matter. They generally have to keep their political views to themselves at biker events.
 

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You are forgetting just how good Dems are at snatching defeat out of jaws of victory. [Patooka beat me to it, damn!]
Also, Alternet is not a good source.
 
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