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As things are this morning, final votes are being counted in four states. Arizona, Nevada, Georgia,Wisconsin.
Experts are predicting Arizona and Nevada will see Democratic Senatorial candidates prevail. Georgia will have a run off. Ron Johnson may win. The Democrats will control the Senate. And the Presidency with the all important veto pen. The GOP the house by a slim margin. Chuck Shumer will now get to play grim reaper. The GOP House is going to go batshit crazy.

The question is, will they get crazy enough to be voting booth poison in two years? Last I saw, the GOP majority in the House was +1. The GOP might get a few more seats, but then we may see a few of them become GOP versions of Sinema and Manchin. Unwilling to go with the MAGA mob.

We are starting a new chapter in 'Merican government. Where is Hunter S. Thompson now that we need him?
 

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I think Biden is an idiot for running in 2024. Though he hasn't "officially" announced his candidacy, he said that he intends to do so in January, so I guess there is still time to walk back on that promise... but regardless, he's a 200-year old coot with approval numbers as bad as Trump's. Just because Kamala Harris turned out to be a flop, doesn't mean there isn't someone else in the democratic party that could give it a try.

Trump seems furious that DeSantis with such a high margin and that some of the candidates he backed lost. Maybe that's enough to dissuade him from running in 2024. Some say DeSantis will be worse than Trump, if he ends up being the candidate. I doubt it.
 

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If not Biden, who? Harris has no better ratings. The GOP will be running DeSantis, possibly Cruz, Abbott, and others.
 

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Anyone. Is AOC old enough? Is Kristen Sinema sane enough?
Anyone.
Joe can’t win against a DeSantis IMzo unless he can pull economic rabbits out of a hat with a divided (at best) Congress, and -this is the hard part - the DNC learns how to take credit for it. Joe should pass the torch.
 

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As things are this morning, final votes are being counted in four states. Arizona, Nevada, Georgia,Wisconsin.
Experts are predicting Arizona and Nevada will see Democratic Senatorial candidates prevail. Georgia will have a run off. Ron Johnson may win. The Democrats will control the Senate. And the Presidency with the all important veto pen. The GOP the house by a slim margin. Chuck Shumer will now get to play grim reaper. The GOP House is going to go batshit crazy.

The question is, will they get crazy enough to be voting booth poison in two years? Last I saw, the GOP majority in the House was +1. The GOP might get a few more seats, but then we may see a few of them become GOP versions of Sinema and Manchin. Unwilling to go with the MAGA mob.

We are starting a new chapter in 'Merican government. Where is Hunter S. Thompson now that we need him?
John Clarke and Brian Dawe were two very well known Australian satirist (Clarke died in 2017). In 2001 they performed a skit where Dawe was pretending to be the interviewer and Clarke the leader of the Opposition Party after they lost the Federal election. Clarke loudly and proudly exclaimed that the election was a fantastic result. Dawe, confused, gently reminded Clarke that he lost. Clarke then pointed out that if they got elected in, they'd have to do something and they have no fucking clue how to fix the economy.

MAGA-tards are about to learn being in charge requires more work than complaining about those in charge.
 

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If the GOP takes the House, the GOP can no longer blame Pelosi for House failures. The problem here is the GOP is no longer sane. It won't be a circus. It will be a zoo-like monkey island.
 

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The GOP taking the House just means the Investigation into the Insurrection needs to finalize the report to send to the Justice Department. If the Dems hold onto the +1 seat gain in the Senate, that means an easier path for judicial nominations, about the only real power he Dems have left.
 

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I mean, this is both awful and hilarious at the same time. Kevin McCarthy's House Speaker role in jeopardy.

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But a small handful of Republicans could keep McCarthy from winning the speaker’s gavel during the public vote on Jan. 3, the first day of the new Congress. He needs 218 Republican votes on the House floor — Democrats won't help — meaning it’s possible fewer than a dozen conservatives could derail McCarthy’s chances and throw the process into certain chaos.

"No one currently has 218" votes, said Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas, as he emerged from a private Freedom Caucus meeting near the Capitol where members were discussing their strategy. Roy previously told NBC News he has not decided who he is backing for speaker.
The GOP has become so radicalized that McCarthy, who has worked so hard to be in the spot to ascend to the role of House Speaker, might actually not get the role because there are enough radicals that'd go with a Jordan or some other crackpot to be the Speaker. So that would be hilarious to watch McCarthy get stood up by his own party for not apparently being insane enough. Of course, it'd also put someone mentally unwell in the role of House Speaker.

So it'll be a fight between the far-right and alt-right.
 

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I was actually surprised at how well Democrat candidates performed. Ron Johnson squeaked by a black candidate (Mandela Barnes) after running a particular nasty campaign. In my state elections (Mn), the Democrats won all the statewide races, although the AG race was very close. More interestingly, the Democrats (technically, the Democratic, Farm, Labor party or the DFL), retook the state senate and held onto the state house. So I found that a bit comforting.

Call me a cock-eyed optimist, but I think inflation will be back down and the national unemployment rate will be down, so the Democrats' prospects will not be so dim.
 

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MTG for Speaker!
Or better yet, Bubbles! (Looks like she’s going to get another term after all.)

Yeah that’s not in the cards, but it’s probably going to be just as much of a cluster as if one of them was conducting the Clown Chorus. I agree with Jimmy that Republicans will provide a popcorn-worthy spectacle, and with LD that economic stabilization (probably not full recovery, but measurable improvement) should help in ‘24. Might even keep the White House if they can give sleepy Joe a rest. Is anyone here familiar with Wes Moore? What little I’ve seen has impressed me …
 

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I was actually surprised at how well Democrat candidates performed. Ron Johnson squeaked by a black candidate (Mandela Barnes) after running a particular nasty campaign. In my state elections (Mn), the Democrats won all the statewide races, although the AG race was very close. More interestingly, the Democrats (technically, the Democratic, Farm, Labor party or the DFL), retook the state senate and held onto the state house. So I found that a bit comforting.

Call me a cock-eyed optimist, but I think inflation will be back down and the national unemployment rate will be down, so the Democrats' prospects will not be so dim.
The Senate map isn't very helpful though in '24.
  • Manchin in WV? That'll be a tough sell.
  • Brown will have a tough time in Ohio too.
  • Casey in PA will have a fight.
  • Tester in Montana.
  • Stabenow in Michigan will have a fight.
  • Sinema in Arizona.
Florida has become a red state with Cubans loving the anti-Communists. Missouri is becoming deep red now. With those two former purple states, I don't see a single Democrat pickup possible, forget about being feasible. Casey, Stabenow should win. Brown will be interesting as he is a strong incumbent these days. Sinema will be a fight, while Tester and Manchin might be toast.
 

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I guess I'm the first to mention that the Democrats have kept the Senate with a win in Nevada. And Georgia is not going to be decided until the run off. Democrats could gain a seat.
 

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Democratic Senators in Arizona and Nevada are projected to win only. Good news, but don't celebrate until the final vote is in. We need Warnock to beat Walker too. 51 Democratic Senators would be ever so nice..
 

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Democratic Senators in Arizona and Nevada are projected to win only. Good news, but don't celebrate until the final vote is in. We need Warnock to beat Walker too. 51 Democratic Senators would be ever so nice..
If the scum get the house I don't think it will make much difference.
 

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Democratic Senators in Arizona and Nevada are projected to win only. Good news, but don't celebrate until the final vote is in. We need Warnock to beat Walker too. 51 Democratic Senators would be ever so nice..
If the scum get the house I don't think it will make much difference.
It will because there is a lot the Senate does without the House. Like confirming judges.
 

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The Senate can block the House. If the GOP loonies go rabid raccoon crazy, but Chuck Schumer plays Grim Reaper, that will limit GOP damage greatly. Conversely, the Democrats can feed popular legislation, say control drug price gouging controls and let the GOP play obstructionist with that. So that by 2024 people will be so sick of the GOP, 2024 will be a GOP disaster.

And again, some House ellection wins are only projections. The Democrats do have a very slim chance of actually taking the House. We won't know for some weeks if there are recounts to consider. Yes it is a long shot, but we can hope.
 

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Keeping 218 out of 220 or so Republicans on the same page might be more than a little difficult.
 
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From the sunday pundits, McCarthy can either suport Trump in his election bid or not get elected speaker.
 

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From the sunday pundits, McCarthy can either suport Trump in his election bid or not get elected speaker.

The GOP has a massive split personality. The MAGA faction got wolloped in this past election. But they are the fanatical/crazy half. It would be really fun to watch if it didn't matter so much.
 

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Democratic Senators in Arizona and Nevada are projected to win only. Good news, but don't celebrate until the final vote is in. We need Warnock to beat Walker too. 51 Democratic Senators would be ever so nice..
If the scum get the house I don't think it will make much difference.
Judicial nominations. 2 yrs until the GOP get the Senate.
 

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From the sunday pundits, McCarthy can either suport Trump in his election bid or not get elected speaker.

The GOP has a massive split personality. The MAGA faction got wolloped in this past election. But they are the fanatical/crazy half. It would be really fun to watch if it didn't matter so much.
I would say instead that the GOP is just starting to extract themselves from an abusive relationship.

"Yeah, that Trump guy...he's a bad boy, but he drives a nice car and buys me nice things. He's got a temper, but if I'm just really nice to him it'll be okay."

(Six years later) "I'm scared to leave him. He says I'm nothing without him. He still has the nice car and buys nice things, but not as much as before. I know I'm better than this, but he'll just be so angry if I leave. Maybe I can just tough it out and he'll change. I have to hang up now, he's just pulled into the driveway."

The Democrats?

On the way home from work today I heard an interview on NPR where a Democratic Representative who lost her bid for Secretary of State completely dodged a question about the um...elderly nature of the leadership. The host asked point blank about the fact that Biden is going to be 80, Pelosi is 82, and Schumer is in his 70s.

This is a problem...especially given the (finally) decent turnout of "Gen Z" this time around. They're awake and willing to participate, but 2 years from now the D nominee will likely either be Biden or Harris because it is her "turn." Um...folks...you have a candidate that would be able to engage this new generation of suddenly interested voters. He's currently Transportation Secretary. He's intelligent, eloquent, and checks off a lot of boxes that "the kids today" find appealing. But you're not gonna do that, are you?

Assuming for a moment that DeSantis manages to sideline Trump's abusive hold on the GOP, what better candidate to run against the "Don't Say Gay" governor than Pete Buttigieg?
 

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What is interesting is that Democrat gerrymandering appears to have screwed the Democrats in NY, much more so that it had in OH to the GOPs. Might barely lose the House mainly because of it.
 

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AOC has stated that the DCCC put no money in fighting GOP gerrymandering efforts which gave the GOP those NY House seats. Her efforts to prod the DCCC into vigous action failed. And caused friction with the DCCC and progressives. Think the DCCC might learn something from this fiasco?
 

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The democrats gerrymandering in NY got struck down by the courts.

As I like to say, the left and right have the same forms and tacics but differ in content.


There’s still a lot of chaos and confusion surrounding New York’s broken election system, but as of this writing we know that the proposed boundaries of all 61 State Senate districts and all 27 congressional districts are null and void: The state’s highest court has ruled that the new lines were created in ways that violated the state constitution and gave an illegal advantage to the Democratic Party, which controls the Assembly and State Senate.

And then the La Latino city coulcl membors discussing how to limit black voting power.

The left is no less corrupt than the right.
 

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The Democrats?

On the way home from work today I heard an interview on NPR where a Democratic Representative who lost her bid for Secretary of State completely dodged a question about the um...elderly nature of the leadership. The host asked point blank about the fact that Biden is going to be 80, Pelosi is 82, and Schumer is in his 70s.

This is a problem...especially given the (finally) decent turnout of "Gen Z" this time around. They're awake and willing to participate, but 2 years from now the D nominee will likely either be Biden or Harris because it is her "turn." Um...folks...you have a candidate that would be able to engage this new generation of suddenly interested voters. He's currently Transportation Secretary. He's intelligent, eloquent, and checks off a lot of boxes that "the kids today" find appealing. But you're not gonna do that, are you?
That is something I have noticed from Australia now for a large number of years. You yanks have about 320 million people to choose from and yet the candidates we hear about seem to be most unsuitable and yes getting into the elderly stage. I thought you had term limits?
 

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I do hope you yanks will finish your elections soon. I for one am most tired of still hearing about it on our nightly news.
 

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Democratic Senators in Arizona and Nevada are projected to win only. Good news, but don't celebrate until the final vote is in. We need Warnock to beat Walker too. 51 Democratic Senators would be ever so nice..
If the scum get the house I don't think it will make much difference.
It will because there is a lot the Senate does without the House. Like confirming judges.
Judges, but that's about it. If America loses the house it's going to be 2 years of total obstructionism.
 

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Democratic Senators in Arizona and Nevada are projected to win only. Good news, but don't celebrate until the final vote is in. We need Warnock to beat Walker too. 51 Democratic Senators would be ever so nice..
If the scum get the house I don't think it will make much difference.
It will because there is a lot the Senate does without the House. Like confirming judges.
Judges, but that's about it. If America loses the house it's going to be 2 years of total obstructionism.
I’d rather see the government do nothing for two years than appoint more right wing judges.
 

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Hopefully the nutbars running the House will rack up a record of crazy failed proposals that will drive voters away in ‘24.
 

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Judges, but that's about it. If America loses the house it's going to be 2 years of total obstructionism.

Judicial nominations are really important as we've seen. And no trumped up impeachment of Biden would have a prayer. We've already seen some Repugs at least claiming to be working on impeachment. Based on nothing of course.

The next two years will not be fun but it looks like they will not be a total disaster.

And hey, fuckers like Kari Lake are losing.
 

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And hey, fuckers like Kari Lake are losing.

Near as it is to being official, the AZ governor's race has been called for the milquetoast, competent public servant Katie Hobbs over the shallow, bitchy former TV host Kari Lake.

Do I taste a bit of salt? Must be MAGA tears...
 

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The left is no less corrupt than the right.
“No less”? Really? I could concede both sides are corrupt but I’m not sure they are equally so.
Yes really.

The attack ads have the same format on both sides. Fear mongering.

Do you really think Biden did not know anything about what Hunter was doing? Do you think Hunter Biden got a high posuiion in a Ukrainian energy company for anything but currying political favor?

Not on the scale of the Trump family but corruption none the less. It is endemic on all sides in DC.
 

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The left is no less corrupt than the right.
“No less”? Really? I could concede both sides are corrupt but I’m not sure they are equally so.
Yes really.

The attack ads have the same format on both sides. Fear mongering.

Do you really think Biden did not know anything about what Hunter was doing? Do you think Hunter Biden got a high posuiion in a Ukrainian energy company for anything but currying political favor?

Not on the scale of the Trump family but corruption none the less. It is endemic on all sides in DC.
“Not on the scale of the Trump family” was exactly my point. Please reread my post.
 

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Let’s put it this way: you name all of Biden’s scandals and I’ll name all of Trump’s. Then we’ll compare and decide if Biden is “no less” corrupt than his counterpart.

If you reread my post you’ll see that I didn’t see issue with the accusation of corruption but with the assertion of the equivalence.
 
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Preparing for the coming battle for GOP House speaker. Will the pro-Trump MAGA crazies take over? The Tea Party GOP eager to move beyond Trump? Will moderate GOP House members start to be important? Meanwhile knives seem to be out for McConnell. Will the small government, burn it all down Republicans take over? Or will the realization most Americans do not want that cause the GOP to reconsider small government radicaliztion?
 

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The left is no less corrupt than the right.
“No less”? Really? I could concede both sides are corrupt but I’m not sure they are equally so.
Yes really.

The attack ads have the same format on both sides. Fear mongering.

Do you really think Biden did not know anything about what Hunter was doing? Do you think Hunter Biden got a high posuiion in a Ukrainian energy company for anything but currying political favor?

Not on the scale of the Trump family but corruption none the less. It is endemic on all sides in DC.
People try to live off the reputations of their parents all the time. Of course a company might hire a son or a daughter in anticipation of some future favors. Dosn't mean that it happened though. There is no quid pro quo.
 

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I think Biden is an idiot for running in 2024. Though he hasn't "officially" announced his candidacy, he said that he intends to do so in January, so I guess there is still time to walk back on that promise... but regardless, he's a 200-year old coot with approval numbers as bad as Trump's. Just because Kamala Harris turned out to be a flop, doesn't mean there isn't someone else in the democratic party that could give it a try.

Has Harris performed badly as VP? VP is not a job that lets its holder shine. I thought she lacked charisma three years ago and still does.

From my (very distant) perspective, Gavin Newsom seems to be the main hope. How's he?

Assuming for a moment that DeSantis manages to sideline Trump's abusive hold on the GOP, what better candidate to run against the "Don't Say Gay" governor than Pete Buttigieg?

Archie Bunker finally figured out that Trump and MTG are crackpots; it was Archie that won the elections for the Ds. But how do you think Archie still feels about "queers"?

I do hope you yanks will finish your elections soon. I for one am most tired of still hearing about it on our nightly news.

Enjoy January. By February it will be non-stop discussion of the 2024 elections.
 

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Yahoo News is reporting that the GOP had big problems with young voters. Who turned out to vote in good numbers and overwhelmingly supported Democrats.
 

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Somebody with more time than me, and/or more scripting ability want to go through the house votes and tally the D vs R votes and compare to the ratio of actual elected representatives?

Politico has a good map.
 

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I know she'd have me assassinated for saying this but we need Michelle Obama to announce shes running for president. I mean hilliary tried to put the Clinton's back in the office why not the Obama's?
 

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I don't think the republican party can handle her much less Desantis.
 

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Michigan's Gretchen Whitmire is getting a lot of support in some quarters as a 2024 candidate if Biden does not run. I am not really familiar with her policy agenda.
 
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