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Potential threats of violence are rising on Election Day and afterwards

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/04/...e_code=1.XU4.fASr.wNOdE7uLenMj&smid=url-share

There is a lot more in the article which isn't behind a pay wall for those of you who don't subscribe to the NYTimes. MY son used to insist that we text using Telegram, now I think I know why he insisted we stop and using a different source.

Right-wing groups, which use Telegram to organize real-world actions, are urging followers to watch the polls and stand up for their rights, in a harbinger of potential chaos.


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Groups backing former President Donald J. Trump recently sent messages to organize poll watchers to be ready to dispute votes in Democratic areas. Some posted images of armed men standing up for their rights to recruit for their cause. Others spread conspiracy theories that anything less than a Trump victory on Tuesday would be a miscarriage of justice worthy of revolt.

“The day is fast approaching when fence sitting will no longer be possible,” read one post from an Ohio chapter of the Proud Boys, the far-right organization that was instrumental in the Jan. 6 attackon the Capitol. “You will either stand with the resistance or take a knee and willingly accept the yoke of tyranny and oppression.”

The messages were all posted on Telegram, the lightly moderated social media platform with nearly one billion users, which has become a harbinger of the potential actions and chaos that could unfold on Election Day and after. More so than other social apps, Telegram is a prime organizing tool for extremists, who have a tendency to turn digital coordination into real-world action.

A New York Times analysis of more than one million messages across nearly 50 Telegram channels with over 500,000 members found a sprawling and interconnected movement intended to question the credibility of the presidential election, interfere with the voting process and potentially dispute the outcome. Nearly every channel reviewed by The Times was created after the 2020 election, highlighting the growth and increased sophistication of the election denialism movement.

More than 4,000 of their posts went further by encouraging members to act by attending local election meetings, joining protest rallies and making financial donations, the analysis found. Posts from other right-wing groups reviewed by The Times urged followers to be prepared for violence. These calls to action extended the right-wing language typically found on other major social media sites into the physical world.

In New Hampshire, one Telegram channel instructed people to question local officials in person about absentee ballot tallies. In Georgia, followers of a local Telegram channel were urged to attend election board meetings to argue for limits to absentee voting. In New Mexico, people were told to monitor voting stations with cameras, file police reports if necessary and be ready to “fight like hell.”

“If you have ever said, ‘What can I do?,’ this is your opportunity,” said one post from a Telegram group focused on Pennslyvania.

Katherine Keneally, a former intelligence analyst with the New York Police Department, said views shared on Telegram should not be dismissed as the musings of a fringe minority but rather seen as a warning about what could happen on Election Day and beyond.
 
Besides all the wannabe revolutionaries and their dreams of being Rambo, one thing I think is likely is a big spike in violence against women. If Harris wins, how many of these MAGAts will think their wife secretly voted for Harris, and want to punish them for it?
 
Besides all the wannabe revolutionaries and their dreams of being Rambo, one thing I think is likely is a big spike in violence against women. If Harris wins, how many of these MAGAts will think their wife secretly voted for Harris, and want to punish them for it?
One thing at a time. We have enough trouble with polarization in the US that we don't need fan fiction involved.

First we need an election, then a concession, then an inauguration. These things used to be common to the point of we didn't think twice about it.
 
Besides all the wannabe revolutionaries and their dreams of being Rambo, one thing I think is likely is a big spike in violence against women. If Harris wins, how many of these MAGAts will think their wife secretly voted for Harris, and want to punish them for it?
The full scale of that problem will never even come to light.
 
I have to think Biden and his team have planned for this. It only seems prudent to plan for violence given January 6. Also, if a newspaper can find and follow right wing extremists, surely the FBI can.

Right wing extremists haven't made any of their plans secret. There's no unknown underground movement that should be able to spring forth in surprise attacks... right?

What I do believe is that no matter the winner of this election there's going to be violence, and it will start with the right. If Harris wins, that won't be the end of the lunacy. Instead it will manifest itself in many of the same form The Troubles did in the UK.
 
Putin Trump needs punished.
FTFY

Frankly, why he wasn't arrested on January 7th still befuddles me.
I can backdate that sentiment. Go back to July of 2018, the Helsinki summit, where Trump sided with Putin over U.S. intelligence on the question of the Russkies interfering with our elections. Jesus Tapdancing Christ. How did he not come back from Helsinki in handcuffs? How was that not the end of his presidency? He's our Traitor in Chief, and by this time tomorrow, he could be installed again. It's all true, people, and I don't do drugs.
 
I’ve seen no news articles with statements from our government warning the public of potential threats. I regularly check AP and Reuters. I can appreciate articles of security precautions being taken. They serve to assure the public. But what does this NYT serve to do?
 
But we really need to worry about all those woke people.
 
Ann Arbor man arrested for threatening attack if Trump wins.

article said:
Prosecutors say Isaac Sissel sent a threat to the FBI National Threat Operations Center in West Virginia. It read, “I shall carry out an attack against conservative christan filth in the event trump wins the election.”

“I have a stolen ar15 and a target I refuse to name so I can continue to get away with my plans,” it continued. “Without a specific victim or ability to find the place I hid the gun, there’s not a thing the FBI can do until I complete the attack.”
WTF?! If he really was considering doing this, appreciate the heads up warning and follow-up arrest.
 
Ann Arbor man arrested for threatening attack if Trump wins.

article said:
Prosecutors say Isaac Sissel sent a threat to the FBI National Threat Operations Center in West Virginia. It read, “I shall carry out an attack against conservative christan filth in the event trump wins the election.”

“I have a stolen ar15 and a target I refuse to name so I can continue to get away with my plans,” it continued. “Without a specific victim or ability to find the place I hid the gun, there’s not a thing the FBI can do until I complete the attack.”
WTF?! If he really was considering doing this, appreciate the heads up warning and follow-up arrest.
Friggin idiot. Taking his own trash out.
 
How refreshing to hear of some violent intent if Cheato wins!

arrested guy said:
“Without a specific victim or ability to find the place I hid the gun, there’s not a thing the FBI can do until I complete the attack.”

Ooops. Looks like our left wing terrorist is no more competent than the trumpsucker ones.
 
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How refreshing to hear of some violent intent if Cheato wins!

arrested guy said:
“Without a specific victim or ability to find the place I hid the gun, there’s not a thing the FBI can do until I complete the attack.”

Ooops. Looks like our left wing terrorist is no more competent than the trumpsucker ones.
Famous last words. :hysterical:
 
How refreshing to hear of some violent intent if Cheato wins!

arrested guy said:
“Without a specific victim or ability to find the place I hid the gun, there’s not a thing the FBI can do until I complete the attack.”

Ooops. Looks like our left wing terrorist is no more competent than the trumpsucker ones.
That's not left or right wing; It's pseudolaw.

The sovereign citizen movement is the most prominent pseudolaw group. They are basically made up of people from any part of the left-right spectrum who have decided that they don't like the law as it stands, so they will make up their own. Only, as they are typically as lazy as they are crazy, they usually go with just accepting some made up law invented by someone else.

This works about as well as you would expect.

This guy is just Robert Terwilliger, but not played for laughs.

 
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