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I'm going to make that my cover photo on Facebook. lol
Extremist heavily armed militias are apparently "good" if their members have the correct skin color. :rolleyes:

Yeah, that's the ticket! :rofl:

No, Einstein. It's because it triggers cowardly, hypocritical, right wing authoritarian morons of the correct skin color. ;)
 

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So we have some more "protester" misconduct ...

And as usual, we have to start in Portland.

Occupation outside North Portland home continues, despite mayor’s condemnation, warning

Oregon Live said:
Uncertainty heightened late Tuesday outside a North Portland home where 150 people huddled behind makeshift barricades to prevent the ouster of a Black and Indigenous family who owned the home for decades.
Police had clashed with demonstrators outside the Mississippi Avenue home hours earlier. Officers retreated, and occupiers dug in.
Mayor Ted Wheeler said late Tuesday that he had authorized police to “use all lawful means to end the illegal occupation.” Demonstrators remained outside the house late Tuesday night amid the rain.

Wheeler is a weak mayor. When police have to retreat in the face of extremist takeover of a city block, you are dealing with leadership unfit to serve.

The initial confrontation between police and protesters unfolded hours earlier after police arrived to help the property’s legal owner fence off the house. After the Kinney family failed to make payments on a second mortgage to what they contend was a predatory loan company, the lender sold the house to the highest bidder, a development company, at a 2018 foreclosure auction. The family unsuccessfully challenged their removal, with the final ruling that they must depart the property issued in September.
They were supposed to be evicted in September and they are still there?
And I suppose #BLM/Antifa believe that black and "indigenous" people should not have to pay their mortgages but should be able to live in a house for free?

William Nietzche, 35, walked through his childhood bedroom and pointed out the places where he said officers rifled through his belongings. The closet door in his childhood bedroom appeared to have been ripped off, leaving a small strip of wood still on its hinges. Nietzche and six others were arrested by officers who arrived at the home early Tuesday morning. Portland police said many of the people arrested were trespassing on the property.
Wait, Nietzsche? Oh, looks like that's an assumed name. Also turns out he is a "sovereign citizen", claiming that US laws don't apply to him because he is a "Moop" and thus follows "Moroccan Law".
Here’s what the ‘sovereign citizen’ defense is, and how it’s linked to the Portland ‘Red House’

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Kinney, the son of the family living in the "Red House," has claimed to be a Moorish sovereign citizen since at least 2007.
In a YouTube video, Kinney said, “I am an aboriginal indigenous to the land.” In 2018, his parents lost their home to foreclosure, and Kinney — who changed his name to William X Nietzche — tried to fight the foreclosure in court, filing dozens of appeals.
“They have used this kangaroo court to try and eject my elderly mother and father on 20 or 30 occasions,” Kinney said in the video.
He continues to say he tried to “seize the court” under Moroccan law with a man named Omari Gibberi, but the video and court filings become hard to follow.

Turns out he is not what is normally referred to as "indigenous" (i.e. Amerindian) but rather a black guy who believes his ancestors were here before anybody else for some reason.

back to Oregon Live said:
Police said while officers were standing on the property’s perimeter, a crowd began to gather and officers were struck by projectiles such as rocks and paint-filled balloons.
Otherwise known as "peaceful protesting" in the #BLM/Antifa Newspeak.

After fence and cleanup crews finished their work Tuesday morning, officers left the area, police said. But the crowd pulled down the fence and entered the property, spurring police to return. Those officers were outnumbered by the 200 people who had amassed in opposition of the police action to remove the family.
Kate Brown should send in the National Guard if gutted Portland police force is not sufficient. Arrest the insurrectionists and charge them.

Protesters confronted police. Law enforcement ultimately retreated as police vehicles were damaged, including at least one window smashed. Protesters threw rocks at officers, and one sprayed a fire extinguisher at them, prompting an officer to deploy an impact munition.
More "peaceful protesting" I see. But if police use tear gas or pepper balls (sounds delicious, like spherical fried jalapeño poppers) on the rioters, then they are the bad guys. :rolleyes:

The tense scene quieted after police left about 10:30 a.m. Demonstrators took the fencing erected earlier and built barricades around the property, known as the “Red House on Mississippi.” They piled up rocks and bricks, ostensibly as projectiles for any further clashes. Some people also prevented certain members of the media from accessing the area inside the barricaded zone.
This is CHAZ all over again, but this time in Portlandia. And Wheeler shows no more leadership qualities than Durkan.

And the "peaceful protesters" occupying territory in Portland are escalating by arming themselves. But I guess heavily armed left-wing militias are ok, right?

‘Long arms, Glocks, 300 people’: Red House is heavily armed

KOIN said:
“A lot of the security you will see inside the zone is people with long arms, 9MM military Glocks and what-not along with stashes on the ground, either rocks, bottles, things to throw at the police, you know, if they decide to come in,” Johnson said.
“One of the things that I saw immediately when I went in was just how fortified it was, even a day later, probably double the armaments, double the security.”

And the Moopish family at the center of all this apparently owns another house in Portland. So the rubes occupying territory on their behalf and donating to their GoFundMe are almost as dumb as the rubes donating to Trump's "Stop the Steal"...

One of the things that they wanted was a letter from PPB stating that anyone that’s in the autonomous zone will not be arrested or prosecuted if they start to take down the barricades,” he said.

Wheeler must definitely not do that, or he will embolden #BLM/Antifa to do it again and again to get their way. All the occupiers must be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law!
 

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And Minneapolis ...

Three indicted on arson charges in fires at Minneapolis Target HQ during riot over false rumor

Star Tribune said:
Three people were indicted Thursday in connection with fires set inside Target's world headquarters in downtown Minneapolis amid rioting over a false rumor that a Black man had been killed by police.
Indicted on Thursday in U.S. District Court with conspiracy to commit arson are Shador T.C. Jackson, 24; Victor D. Edwards, 31, of St. Paul; and Leroy L.P. Williams, 34, of Minneapolis.
Detention hearings have yet to be scheduled. Jackson and Williams are in custody, while Edwards is residing at a halfway house, the U.S. Attorney's Office said.
According to the federal indictments and other court documents:
Arson and looting erupted on the evening of Aug. 26, when Eddie Frank Sole Jr., 38, fatally shot himself on Nicollet Mall shortly after he was suspected of shooting and killing another man. Sole's suicide sparked a false rumor that police had killed him.

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But I bet people on here will claim how it was all a "false flag" attack, right?
 

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And NYC ...

This illustrates why it is dangerous to "protest" in the middle of the street. Especially if you accost motorists such that they feel threatened.

Multiple people injured after vehicle plows into crowd at New York protest

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In one video showing the car’s movements, a small group of protesters could be seen gathered around the car as it slowly approached an intersection, with one person seemingly leaning over the front of the vehicle. The car suddenly accelerated, knocking aside the people who were blocking it and people who were in the intersection.
 

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No, Einstein. It's because it triggers cowardly, hypocritical, right wing authoritarian morons of the correct skin color. ;)

Nobody here is triggered (except you perhaps). You are also the only one who is hypocritical - you condemn conservative/white militias but support left-wing militias, especially when they are black.

I say pox on both their houses. Extremism - from either side - will get us nowhere.
 

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Why bail money back to arrestee in Portland and not the person who paid bail?

 

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Do you think the Rittenhouse kid will return the bail money to Ricky Schroeder?
 

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This illustrates why it is dangerous to "protest" in the middle of the street. Especially if you accost motorists such that they feel threatened.

Multiple people injured after vehicle plows into crowd at New York protest

Teh Grauniad said:
In one video showing the car’s movements, a small group of protesters could be seen gathered around the car as it slowly approached an intersection, with one person seemingly leaning over the front of the vehicle. The car suddenly accelerated, knocking aside the people who were blocking it and people who were in the intersection.

There's not enough there to see if it was self defense or not.

Protesters surrounding cars is a bad thing, though--all it takes is one getting too threatening and you have people who didn't intend to do anything wrong flying everywhere.
 

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Teh Grauniad said:
In one video showing the car’s movements, a small group of protesters could be seen gathered around the car as it slowly approached an intersection, with one person seemingly leaning over the front of the vehicle. The car suddenly accelerated, knocking aside the people who were blocking it and people who were in the intersection.

There's not enough there to see if it was self defense or not.

There is enough there in the quoted material to establish that the driver acted recklessly. It's an intersection for chrissake.

I find such scenes particularly disturbing when one blindly makes a right turn at an intersection without checking if someone has just stepped off the curb in to the cross walk. Blind rage?

I've dented many a hood with the palm of my hand in such events.

Why is Rush still alive?
 

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More about RHAZ (Red House Autonomous Zone).

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Hapless Mayor Wheeler is still not clearing out the idiotic occupation. It certainly is not helping that he banned the use of tear gas a few months ago. Some CS gas would really come in handy for smoking them out!

CNN wrote a really poorly researched (or else deliberately omitting important information) article.

Tensions over eviction of Black-Indigenous family in Portland reach boiling point as protesters clash with police

CNN said:
The Kinneys problems started in 2002, when they took out a loan against their home to pay for their 17-year-old son's legal fees, the Red House website says. And after years of disputes with their mortgage lender, their home ended up being sold at auction as a nonjudicial foreclosure in October 2018.
More like years of not paying their mortgage.
And their son's legal problems were because he killed a man due to reckless driving.

"The tactics we are facing, of sneaky and illegal foreclosure tactics, predatory banking and loans, elected judges who take campaign contributions from the real estate industry, coupled with violence from law enforcement and no real due process, have been used across this historically Black neighborhood to displace Black and poor people," Julie Metcalf Kinney, the family matriarch, said in a statement. "If Black and Indigenous lives matter in Portland, this must stop."

Tactics of expecting you to pay for the mortgage you took out. Nothing sneaky or illegal or predatory about that. But CNN lets that stand without correction.

Coya Crespin, with the Community Alliance of Tenants, told CNN affiliate KPTV the encampment at the Red House was not only for the Kinneys, but also in part to protest gentrification.
"This is systemic oppression. This is gentrification at real time," Crespin said.

Gentrification has become a real boogeyman on the far left. I guess they prefer run-down neighborhoods.

"There will be no autonomous zone in Portland," Wheeler tweeted. "It's time for the encampment and occupation to end. There are many ways to protest and work toward needed reform. Illegally occupying private property, openly carrying weapons, threatening and intimidating people are not among them."

And yet he is allowing this to go on for months. Send in the national guard and clear the occupation!

William Nietzche, the lawyer for the Kinney family, told CNN that they have filed federal and local cases fighting the eviction.
After losing one federal lawsuit in the District Court of Oregon last year, the family appealed to the Ninth Circuit Court, which denied their petition, records show.
Last month, Neitzche explained, the family appealed to the US Supreme Court and are waiting to hear if the court will take up their case.

LMAO! The cretins who wrote this piece are seriously so dumb that they didn't realize that William "Nietzche" is really William Kinney, the son whose "legal problems" prompted the family to take out the mortgage in the first place. He is not a lawyer, although he has been filing all these lawsuits. They also neglect to mention that the lawsuits are based on "sovereign citizen" ideology and thus as frivolous as the Trumpian Kraken lawsuits.

This local station, unlike CNN, did their homework.

Court documents detail more about Red House past as eviction protest continues in N. Portland

Fox12 said:
The reason for the loan was to pay for legal fees incurred by the homeowners son, William Kinney III, who goes by William X Nietzche now.
In February 2002, Kinney was involved in a crash at Franklin Street and 33rd Avenue in southeast Portland. He was 17 at the time.
[...]
[Kinney] took off down the street reaching speeds of 60 miles per hour. The car ran a stop sign and slammed into another car. The passenger in the other car, Patrick Goetz, 83, was taken to the hospital where he died. His wife, Ann Goetz, was injured.
[...]
The case wound its way through the court system where Kinney would take a plea deal and be sentenced to 72 months in prison and fined. Kinney would also do more time in prison when he was sentenced in 2010 on two counts of driving with a revoked license and possession of cocaine.

#BLM/Antifa really know how to pick their causes célèbres. :rolleyes:
 

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This illustrates why it is dangerous to "protest" in the middle of the street. Especially if you accost motorists such that they feel threatened.

Multiple people injured after vehicle plows into crowd at New York protest

Teh Grauniad said:
In one video showing the car’s movements, a small group of protesters could be seen gathered around the car as it slowly approached an intersection, with one person seemingly leaning over the front of the vehicle. The car suddenly accelerated, knocking aside the people who were blocking it and people who were in the intersection.

There's not enough there to see if it was self defense or not.

Protesters surrounding cars is a bad thing, though--all it takes is one getting too threatening and you have people who didn't intend to do anything wrong flying everywhere.
Hurting people who do not intend you harm is not self-defense. At a minimum, it is reckless indifference.
 

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Hurting people who do not intend you harm is not self-defense. At a minimum, it is reckless indifference.

I don't think she did it on purpose, but because she panicked when a mob swarmed around her car. These protesters really need to stop doing that.
 

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There is enough there in the quoted material to establish that the driver acted recklessly. It's an intersection for chrissake.
Maybe so, but the protesters acted even more recklessly.

I find such scenes particularly disturbing when one blindly makes a right turn at an intersection without checking if someone has just stepped off the curb in to the cross walk. Blind rage?
This was not a traffic situation. It was a mob blockading the street and then surrounding the car. A potentially very dangerous situation.


Why is Rush still alive?
Huh?
 

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Do you think the Rittenhouse kid will return the bail money to Ricky Schroeder?

Not comparable at all. Rittenhouse is being very vigorously prosecuted, whereas the "woke" Multnomah DA is dropping charges against most of the rioters and most of the rest get a slap on the wrist.

Portland’s ‘autonomous zone’ arrestees have charges immediately dropped
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No wonder this shit keeps happening over and over again in Portland - there simply are no consequences! What use is it if police arrests rioters and occupiers if the pro-Antifa DA dismisses the charges?

I wonder if it will be possible to evict anybody black ever again in Portland. :rolleyes:

The pro-Antifa DA is also refusing to bring charges against those arrested in the Thanksgiving vandalism spree.

Multnomah County District Attorney Rejects Cases of People Accused of Thanksgiving Morning Vandalism

Vandalism, rioting, even blockading streets and occupying territory, are now de facto legal, as long as you are a left-wing extremist!
 

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No, Einstein. It's because it triggers cowardly, hypocritical, right wing authoritarian morons of the correct skin color. ;)

Nobody here is triggered (except you perhaps). You are also the only one who is hypocritical - you condemn conservative/white militias but support left-wing militias, especially when they are black.

I say pox on both their houses. Extremism - from either side - will get us nowhere.

Yet white supremacists are still a major threat to national security according to the people who actually have to know about and deal with such threats. Not just a major threat but Department of Homeland Security calls them "the most persistent and lethal threat within the U.S.," and here you are excusing and supporting this terrorist threat.

It's truly pitiful just how twisted your perceptions must be to cling desperately to the belief that somehow "both sides are the same," or rather, the side that does not have DHS or the FBI concerned is somehow worse.

I mean, is it actually satisfying to you to hold such extremely skewed views? I don't know how it could be. I would think you'd prefer truth, even if it contradicts your ridiculously false narrative.
 

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Yet white supremacists are still a major threat to national security according to the people who actually have to know about and deal with such threats.
As are left-wing extremists that you support. The threats are different, but that doesn't make the threats by left-wing extremists and their allies and enablers in political power such as Mike Schmidt, Chesa Boudin and Kshama Sawant.
 

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Yet white supremacists are still a major threat to national security according to the people who actually have to know about and deal with such threats.
As are left-wing extremists that you support. The threats are different, but that doesn't make the threats by left-wing extremists and their allies and enablers in political power such as Mike Schmidt, Chesa Boudin and Kshama Sawant.

No, they are not. Stop editing out the part where that is shown to be not fucking true. DHS is the top LE entity that deals with actual threats to our country and they are not concerned about your fantasy about "left wing extremists." They are, however, concerned about the very real threat of right wing extremists.https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...st-persistent-and-lethal-threat-within-the-us
 

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No, they are not. Stop editing out the part where that is shown to be not fucking true. DHS is the top LE entity that deals with actual threats to our country and they are not concerned about your fantasy about "left wing extremists." The are, however, concerned about the very real threat of right wing extremists.

They are not fantasy, they are very real. Both left and right wing extremists are a problem. You ignoring the left wing extremists does not make them imaginary. In Portland and Seattle they have occupied actual territory. In Portland, they are still occupying it, and the pro-Antifa DA is unwilling to prosecute them.

Besides, I strongly believe that if #BLM hadn't been burning cities like Ferguson and Baltimore in 2014-2016, Trump would never have been elected. The last four years are on Patrice Cullors, Alicia Garza et al.
 

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No, they are not. Stop editing out the part where that is shown to be not fucking true. DHS is the top LE entity that deals with actual threats to our country and they are not concerned about your fantasy about "left wing extremists." The are, however, concerned about the very real threat of right wing extremists.

They are not fantasy, they are very real. You ignoring them does not make them imaginary. In Portland and Seattle they have occupied actual territory. In Portland, they are still occupying it, and the pro-Antifa DA is unwilling to prosecute them.

Besides, I strongly believe that if #BLM hadn't been burning cities like Ferguson and Baltimore in 2014-2016, Trump would never have been elected. The last four years are on Patrice Cullors, Alicia Garza et al.

Well, I'm the one with reality on my side, Derec. I'm not the one ignoring DHS and the FBI and thousands of incidents of violence by right wing morons. For every "incident" you think you can present as "left wing violence," there are hundreds or more instances of right wing extremism in the U.S. You are a parody of yourself.
 

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Well, I'm the one with reality on my side, Derec. I'm not the one ignoring DHS and the FBI and thousands of incidents of violence by right wing morons. For every "incident" you think you can present as "left wing violence," there are hundreds or more instances of right wing extremism in the U.S. You are a parody of yourself.

Really? Right wing extremists are occupying territory in hundreds of cities?

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Portland Autonomous Zone Is ‘Stockpiling Weapons,’ Has Armed Patrols, Police Say

You are not even a parody any more. You are a character in a sad farce.

Extremism is bad no matter which side it's coming from. A Trump supporter sending bombs is bad, but so is a Bernie supporter shooting up a Congressional baseball game. To ignore left-wing extremist violence just because you agree with their extreme politics is hypocritical.
 

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Oh, my goodness. Look at all that overwhelming evidence that "left wing extremists" are way worse that the well known threat of white supremacists.

Derec, you better get that evidence to DHS pronto!
 

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Oh, my goodness. Look at all that overwhelming evidence that "left wing extremists" are way worse that the well known threat of white supremacists.
Derec, you better get that evidence to DHS pronto!

I say both sides are bad. You say only one side is bad. That means you are siding with left wing extremists and all the destruction and mayhem they are causing and advocating. Period.
 

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Oh, my goodness. Look at all that overwhelming evidence that "left wing extremists" are way worse that the well known threat of white supremacists.
Derec, you better get that evidence to DHS pronto!

I say both sides are bad. You say only one side is bad. That means you are siding with left wing extremists and all the destruction and mayhem they are causing and advocating. Period.

No, I say one side is by far much worse, and the threat of that side is the inevitable result of authoritarian ideological disease.

But again, Derec, if you really think there is anything nearly as dangerous on "the left," you better get all that overwhelming evidence to DHS immediately. If you don't, then shame on you for not protecting your country!
 

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No, I say one side is by far much worse, and the threat of that side is the inevitable result of authoritarian ideological disease.
I think the two types of threats are very different. Left wing extremists have a lot of power in big cities, especially on the Left Coats and have allies in high position of power. People like Mike Schmidt or Chesa Boudin that have the power to not pursue charges against left-wingers.

Right-wing extremists are more exurban and rural.

I think both sides are very dangerous, but they are difficult to compare because they present very different types of threats.

But again, Derec, if you really think there is anything nearly as dangerous on "the left," you better get all that overwhelming evidence to DHS immediately. If you don't, then shame on you for not protecting your country!

Oh the feds know. That's why there are many federal prosecutions over the George Floyd and other left-wing #BLM/Antifa riots for federal offenses involving explosives or arson. But federal authorities can only get involved if certain legal criteria are met. Unfortunately local and state authorities are often very lenient with left-wing extremist violence. See Portland letting the occupation go on for months and the DA dismissing all charges against these extremists.
 

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No, I say one side is by far much worse, and the threat of that side is the inevitable result of authoritarian ideological disease.
I think the two types of threats are very different. Left wing extremists have a lot of power in big cities, especially on the Left Coats and have allies in high position of power. People like Mike Schmidt or Chesa Boudin that have the power to not pursue charges against left-wingers.

Right-wing extremists are more exurban and rural.

I think both sides are very dangerous, but they are difficult to compare because they present very different types of threats.

But again, Derec, if you really think there is anything nearly as dangerous on "the left," you better get all that overwhelming evidence to DHS immediately. If you don't, then shame on you for not protecting your country!

Oh the feds know. That's why there are many federal prosecutions over the George Floyd riot for federal offenses involving explosives or riots. But federal authorities can only get involved if certain legal criteria are met. Unfortunately local and state authorities are often very lenient with left-wing extremist violence. See Portland letting the occupation go on for months and the DA dismissing all charges against these extremists.

That's a lot of tap dancing and twisting. "The left" just is not a fucking threat to this country. It's only a threat to right wing extremism. Without right wing extremism, there would be no antifa. It's not rocket science. There is a reason that people who are not hate mongering zealots get upset and will fight the crap out of movements that are!

Again, you better get your evidence to DHS, Derec. Do you hate America or something? Seems downright treasonous to not do what you can to help DHS to protect America if you have information they don't.
 

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That's a lot of tap dancing and twisting. "The left" just is not a fucking threat to this country. It's only a threat to right wing extremism.

Nope. Both kinds of extremism are a threat.

Without right wing extremism, there would be no antifa.
Not true. Antifa, short for Antifaschistische Aktion, was started by the German Communist Party as a paramilitary organ. They oppose anything to the right of communism as "fascism".
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On the other hand, without left-wing extremists rioting and burning down cities like Ferguson, Baltimore, Milwaukee or Charlotte between 2014 and 2016 I very much doubt Trump could have been elected.

It's not rocket science. There is a reason that people who are not hate mongering zealots get upset and will fight the crap out of movements that are!

Antifas are hatemongering zealots. It's just that they are hatemongering zealots of the far left.

Again, ...

Again, feds are aware. But they can only act when there is a violation of federal law. For right and left wing extremists alike.
 

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No, they are not. Remove the authoritarian right wing extremism and you have no "left wing extremism."

Antifa does not exist without right wing extremism. It's a direct response to right wing extremism.

Right wing extremism is not a response to left wing anything. It's a response to authority worshiping religion, ignorance, fear mongering, prejudice, fear of anything not conforming to the in-group, and any authority willing to give it legitimacy.

To regard white supremacy/right wing extremism as anything like a response to left wing anything, you have to have fear and hate mongers hijacking the ignorance and prejudice of people not equipped for rational reasoning and telling them "THEY are evil and will come and take all your stuff and try to kill you, etc., etc." You have to drink the koolaid to believe the whole world outside your ingroup is out to get you.

Regardless of whatever problems may exist in "left wing" thinking, which consists of openness to new experiences and new people and new ideas, willingness to question authority and hold it accountable, etc., those problems don't even come close to those weak ass, stunted human cognitive traits that give rise to right wing extremism, religious or political.

And one thing right wing morons always forget (always!) is that people of humane values and principles, who are not scared of everyfuckingthing, who are not prejudiced against everyone outside their immediate group, will always fight back. We fought back in WWII, the U.S. Civil War, and numerous other times and places in history.

Right wing idiots love to believe that we are cowards for not making animal brain violence Plan A in any situation, but how would they recognize someone who isn't afraid of them at all but is not willing to commit violence willy nilly? They push and push because they don't have any better grasp of boundaries than infants, and we eventually hand them their asses. Unfortunately, they usually create untold suffering and atrocity first, as our current American right wing extremists are doing their best to accomplish as we speak.

Not that you would be honest about any of this. After all, how would you recognize anyone who doesn't think in the most stunted, black and white terms about the world around them? If you could, you'd have the humanity to stop supporting the worst of human behavior in the world.

And "antifa" means anti-fascist. Come on. That's a pretty desperate reach there.:rofl:
 

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Multiple people stabbed after thousands gather for pro-Trump demonstrations in Washington

Thousands of maskless rallygoers who refuse to accept the results of the election turned downtown Washington into a falsehood-filled spectacle Saturday, two days before the electoral college will make the president’s loss official.

In smaller numbers than their gathering last month, they roamed from the Capitol to the Mall and back again, seeking inspiration from speakers who railed against the Supreme Court, Fox News and President-elect Joe Biden. The crowds cheered for recently pardoned former national security adviser Michael Flynn, marched with conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and stood in awe of a flyover from what appeared to be Marine One.

But at night, the scene became violent. At least four people were stabbed near Harry’s Bar at 11th and F streets NW, a gathering point for the Proud Boys, a male-chauvinist organization with ties to white nationalism.

The violence escalated after an evening of faceoffs with counterprotesters that took place near Harry’s, Black Lives Matter Plaza, Franklin Square, and other spots around downtown.

At first, officers in riot gear successfully kept the two sides apart, even as the groups splintered and roamed. In helmets and bulletproof vests, Proud Boys marched through downtown in militarylike rows, shouting “move out” and “1776!” They became increasingly angry as they wove through streets and alleys, only to find police continuously blocking their course with lines of bikes.

“Both sides of the aisle hate you now. Congratulations,” a Proud Boy shouted at the officers.
 

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No, they are not. Remove the authoritarian right wing extremism and you have no "left wing extremism."

That is bullshit. For example, Communists took over Russia before Nazis took over Germany or Fascists took over Italy.
And without Communist Russia, there probably would not have been a rise of Nazis to power, as the German establishment only reluctantly backed Hitler because they feared the Communists next door.

Antifa does not exist without right wing extremism. It's a direct response to right wing extremism.
Nope. They oppose anything that is not left-wing extremist. The OG Antifa was a paramilitary organ of the German Communist Party (KPD). The revived German Antifa of the 80s opposed the democratic (but also capitalist) West Germany, not any "right wing extremists".

Right wing extremism is not a response to left wing anything. It's a response to authority worshiping religion, ignorance, fear mongering, prejudice, fear of anything not conforming to the in-group, and any authority willing to give it legitimacy.
As if left wing extremists don't have in-group/out-group thing too. Give me a break!

You have to drink the koolaid to believe the whole world outside your ingroup is out to get you.
That's pretty much Antifa ideology to a t!

Regardless of whatever problems may exist in "left wing" thinking, which consists of openness to new experiences and new people and new ideas, willingness to question authority and hold it accountable, etc., those problems don't even come close to those weak ass, stunted human cognitive traits that give rise to right wing extremism, religious or political.
LMAO! That is a very, uhm, fictional, view of left-wing extremism.

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And "antifa" means anti-fascist. Come on. That's a pretty desperate reach there.:rofl:
I know what it means. It's not about their name. It's about their ideology. It's about their history. They view anybody not part of their in-group as "fascist".
 

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People should not be shooting others (unless in self defense). It looks like the Antifas escalated the situation to physical violence by spraying the PBs with mace. Which is a crime.

This thread seems not to be working out the way the OP had hoped... :D

Oh, I never expected people like Angry Floof and you to not be hypocrites. I fully expected you to ignore/try to justify left wing violence and misconduct.
 

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...looks like the Antifas escalated the situation to physical violence ..... I fully expected you to ignore/try to justify left wing violence and misconduct.

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... I don't suppose you even see what you did there.
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...looks like the Antifas escalated the situation to physical violence ..... I fully expected you to ignore/try to justify left wing violence and misconduct.

:hysterical:
... I don't suppose you even see what you did there.
:hysterical:

I never said PBs and other rightist don't engage in violence too. Or that they are not a bunch of no-good extremists. So I am very different from you, AF et al who support left-wing extremists (#BLM, Antifa).

But in the case of the Olympia shooting, it looks like Antifa escalated and PBs were retreating according to your own damn source!

Daily Beast said:
As pro-Trump demonstrators and some of the Proud Boys retreated to their vehicles, they were confronted by a large group of counter-protesters, some of whom sprayed mace. That is when a fleeing protester fired a gun towards the crowd, hitting a counter-protester in the abdomen. The counter-protester was transported to a hospital but no further details were immediately available.

Macing fleeing people is escalation to physical violence, no matter who does it.

By the way, what is your opinion about the left-wing occupation in Portland, ostensibly with the goal to help a "sovereign citizen" not have to pay his mortgage?
 

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I'll repeat it again. If 200k+ Americans dying because of a pandemic isn't a problem, then Antifa isn't a problem either, considering how few people are affected by Antifa's actions.
 

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I never said PBs and other rightist don't engage in violence too.

Of course. You just wail about property damage.

I'll repeat it again. If 200k+ Americans dying because of a pandemic isn't a problem, then Antifa isn't a problem either, considering how few people are affected by Antifa's actions.

If there was such a thing as "antifa's actions" that would be a very salient point.
I don't believe there is any organized leftist group that corresponds to "proud boys" or any of the right wing extremist so-called militias. Certainly none advocating violence against people the way they do.

By the way, what is your opinion about the left-wing occupation in Portland, ostensibly with the goal to help a "sovereign citizen" not have to pay his mortgage?

I'd very much like to take one or two of their properties off the hands of whoever is holding the notes they are defaulting on.
Wish I could do more - I love Portland!
 

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What else would you expect from people who are violent at the drop of a hat when they don't get their way or when someone is black or people around the world don't obey the right wing moron god or the right wing moron king dickwad or whatever?
 

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nobody held a sore loser stab-a-thon after the email lady lost, just saying
It seems that the Antifas were the stabby ones in DC actually.
Also, after the email lady lost, there was a shootathon at the Congressional baseball game.

And by the way, if you were not so angry all the time Floof, you'd probably have figured out that you can embed tweets directly instead of using oversized screen shots.

What else would you expect from people who are violent at the drop of a hat when they don't get their way or when someone is black or people around the world don't obey the right wing moron god or the right wing moron king dickwad or whatever?

What the hell are you babbling about?
 
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nobody held a sore loser stab-a-thon after the email lady lost, just saying
It seems that the Antifas were the stabby ones in DC actually.
Also, after the email lady lost, there was a shootaton at the Congressional baseball game.

And by the way, if you were not so angry all the time Floof, you'd probably have figured out that you can embed tweets directly instead of using oversized screen shots.

What else would you expect from people who are violent at the drop of a hat when they don't get their way or when someone is black or people around the world don't obey the right wing moron god or the right wing moron king dickwad or whatever?

What the hell are you babbling about?

Right wing ideology is based in us vs. them mentality. This is not even a controversy. There are no other principles to right wing ideology other than us vs. them. Anything is excusable, any behavior, any prejudice, any lie, any hypocrisy, as long as it makes right wing morons feel like they've won something and are on their way to total social domination.

Name one conservative principle or value that the current right wing ideological disease in the form of white supremacy, Proud Boys, Trumpianity, etc., that has not shit on. Shit on, ignored, used as lip service when convenient. There are no other principles at play among the right wing in the U.S. at this time in our history other than us vs. them, our authority figure will beat up your authority figure, you're all evil liars, we are conform or die "patriots," you are traitors if you don't... The so called values of right wingers are shifting sands.

There's literally nothing else going on there. Small government, taxes, "pro-life" are all hypocrisies. It's entirely about winning against a concocted "enemy" made up of anyone who is not a right wing nutjob. There are no other requirements, just the ideological tribe.

But how would you recognize anyone who doesn't think that way?
 

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nobody held a sore loser stab-a-thon after the email lady lost, just saying
It seems that the Antifas were the stabby ones in DC actually

So the Nazis were only the shooty ones?
Oh wait ...
An independent journalist also said she was stabbed in the ear by a person she believed to be a member of the Proud Boys.

So I guess that should be "the Nazis were the only shooty ones".

I hear that the Proud Boys chairman Enrique Tarrio got stabbied. That's terrible. Too bad they can't go find the antifa chairman, and stabby him in return!
What was his name again?
 

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Of course. You just wail about property damage.
And I guess you are fine with property damage as long as your side does it, right?
Property damage should not be tolerated. Especially widespread property damage done for purposes of political intimidation.
BLM vandalism.jpg

Also consider that just like the thread that inspired it, this is supposed to be about misconduct not rising to the level warranting a separate thread.


If there was such a thing as "antifa's actions" that would be a very salient point.
I don't believe there is any organized leftist group that corresponds to "proud boys" or any of the right wing extremist so-called militias. Certainly none advocating violence against people the way they do.

Antifas are very much violent. Even CNN, generally sympathetic to them and their goals had to admit as much in this segment.


I'd very much like to take one or two of their properties off the hands of whoever is holding the notes they are defaulting on.
Wish I could do more - I love Portland!

It's one thing to "Love Portland", it's quite another to want to help a "sovereign citizen" grifter who doesn't want to pay his bills, thinks laws do not apply to him or his kin, killed a man through reckless driving and oh yeah, abuses dogs.

Portland Red House son cited for mistreatment of puppies

Garbage people! "BLM/Antifa really know how to pick 'em!
 

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Right wing ideology is based in us vs. them mentality.

All extremist ideology is. Anti-white racist think in terms of so-called "BIPOC" over here and white people over there. Antifas see communists over here and everybody else is a fascist and deserves to be punched or stabbed or shot.

This is not even a controversy.
I wasn't even denying it. I was just trying to open your eyes that it applies to your side just as much.

I am not even going to respond to the rest of your screed as it is irrelevant. I do not know, or much care for, the supposed theoretical justification for far-right or far-left ideologies. Both have some in their own minds. Both are steaming piles of bullshit.
 

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What was his name again?
So left-wing violence is just fine and dandy if they are a decentralized, cell-based movement?

Did I say that? (HINT: no, YOU said that)

Did you know that right wing extremist terrorism is the greatest threat to America, according to the people we pay to know what the greatest terrorist threat to America is?
Maybe it's Trump's fault that they say that. Go after him.

And I guess you are fine with property damage as long as your side does it, right?

You're batting a hair above zero, Derec. Bad guess - again.
My guess is that you are trying to equate the history, scale, and threat levels posed by right and left wing extremists.
Just cut it out dude - it's a losing argument.
 

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Right wing ideology is based in us vs. them mentality.

All extremist ideology is. Anti-white racist think in terms of so-called "BIPOC" over here and white people over there. Antifas see communists over here and everybody else is a fascist and deserves to be punched or stabbed or shot.

This is not even a controversy.
I wasn't even denying it. I was just trying to open your eyes that it applies to your side just as much.

I am not even going to respond to the rest of your screed as it is irrelevant. I do not know, or much care for, the supposed theoretical justification for far-right or far-left ideologies. Both have some in their own minds. Both are steaming piles of bullshit.

How would you know? Seriously, if your ideological group were to be taken over by snake oil salesmen and fear mongers manipulating you, how would you know? How would authority worshipers who cannot question authority even begin to know if their ideological group is poisoned? Questioning is traitorous. You're helpless to defend yourself against authoritarian manipulation. All they have to do is prey on your prejudices and excuse your own group's bad behavior by saying things like "both sides are the same." It's really not difficult at all to manipulate people of right wing mentality. Political and religious right wing ideologies alike are based in all those elements that prevent you defending yourself against manipulation. Given how distorted and fear based your views of everything outside your in-group are, you're a textbook case.
 

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Teh Grauniad said:
In one video showing the car’s movements, a small group of protesters could be seen gathered around the car as it slowly approached an intersection, with one person seemingly leaning over the front of the vehicle. The car suddenly accelerated, knocking aside the people who were blocking it and people who were in the intersection.

There's not enough there to see if it was self defense or not.

There is enough there in the quoted material to establish that the driver acted recklessly. It's an intersection for chrissake.

No--if the driver was attacked with sufficient potential force it would be legitimate.
 
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