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So, you can name the incident from the summer where dozens of BLM protesters were killed? Should be easy.

Despite right wing extremist notions to the contrary, the National Capitol was never breached and Congressional proceedings interrupted by a black terrorist mob.
 

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So, you can name the incident from the summer where dozens of BLM protesters were killed? Should be easy.

Despite right wing extremist notions to the contrary, the National Capitol was never breached and Congressional proceedings interrupted by a black terrorist mob.

Oh, so you don't know what has happened in a counterfactual. Good that we settled that.
 

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So, you don't know.

Projection.
You don't know that the nose on your face is still there, any better than we know that a black mob would have incurred lethal force.

That's just absurd. I know my nose is on my face through direct observation. You are claiming your *assumption* about a counterfactual is knowledge that you are certain of.

We saw many mobs which included many black people during the summer that didn't incur lethal force, certainly not dozens dead on the streets.

We saw the level of force that protests with much more modest goals than overthrowing the constitution and instituting the dictatorial rule of a candidate that lost a democratic election incurred, scaling up from that easily gets you dozens of dead on the streets.
 

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So, you can name the incident from the summer where dozens of BLM protesters were killed? Should be easy.

Despite right wing extremist notions to the contrary, the National Capitol was never breached and Congressional proceedings interrupted by a black terrorist mob.

Good that we settled that.

"We"? You and the frog in your pocket? Does the frog do your thinking for you?
Tell me about it when a black mob swarms the Capital and is let in by the Police, then ransacks the Capitol, leaving bombs and incendiary devices, threatening congresspeople etc...
 

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That's just absurd. I know my nose is on my face through direct observation. You are claiming your *assumption* about a counterfactual is knowledge that you are certain of.

We saw many mobs which included many black people during the summer that didn't incur lethal force, certainly not dozens dead on the streets.

We saw the level of force that protests with much more modest goals than overthrowing the constitution and instituting the dictatorial rule of a candidate that lost a democratic election incurred, scaling up from that easily gets you dozens of dead on the streets.
It is a reasonable forecast.
 

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A yo Derec! My Man! Wassup! If that was a group of black people the police would have every right to fear for their lives and use deadly force right? Why aren't they?

If this was a group of Antifas/BLMers of any race in Seattle or Portland the DA would drop all charges.

I agree this is horrible, and the rioters should be prosecuted

However, back in Summer and during previous #BLM riots some lefty posters claimed that we should give in to rioter demands because they represent real grievances shared by many people.
I vociferously reject that attitude no matter who is rioting.

The important difference is that Portland and Seattle were largely peaceful demonstrations with looting and property damage around the edges. The arrests were indiscriminate, with no way to determine who committed crimes and who were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Everyone in the Capital last night was committing a crime ranging from trespassing to insurrection to even murder and of the thousand or so criminals only 52 were arrested the vast majority of whom were only charged with violating the curfew. Charges that will most likely be dropped as they were in Portland and Seattle.

It is troubling that you feel the two are comparable. Which they would be only on some skewed white male grievance scale, the same scale that believes that whites are being discriminated against because a few private elite universities slightly reducing the entrance requirements for minorities is the same level of crimes against humanity as a hundred years of separate but equal schools for millions of people.
 

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That's just absurd. I know my nose is on my face through direct observation. You are claiming your *assumption* about a counterfactual is knowledge that you are certain of.

We saw many mobs which included many black people during the summer that didn't incur lethal force, certainly not dozens dead on the streets.

We saw the level of force that protests with much more modest goals than overthrowing the constitution and instituting the dictatorial rule of a candidate that lost a democratic election incurred, scaling up from that easily gets you dozens of dead on the streets.
It is a reasonable forecast.

I recall federal officials handcuffing people and sticking them in unmarked vehicles. It happened in Portland, if I recall correctly, at a BLM protest.

Where were those officers in DC yesterday? The rioters were breaking and entering, disobeying police, and vandalizing the U.S. Capitol.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that had the crowd been blacker, or lefter, or otherwise less Trumpish, there'd have been a lot more deaths, injuries, and arrests.

Tom
 

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That's just absurd. I know my nose is on my face through direct observation. You are claiming your *assumption* about a counterfactual is knowledge that you are certain of.

We saw many mobs which included many black people during the summer that didn't incur lethal force, certainly not dozens dead on the streets.

We saw the level of force that protests with much more modest goals than overthrowing the constitution and instituting the dictatorial rule of a candidate that lost a democratic election incurred, scaling up from that easily gets you dozens of dead on the streets.
It is a reasonable forecast.

Tell it to the frog in J8's pocket.
 

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That's just absurd. I know my nose is on my face through direct observation.

I know a black mob would be treated with violence FROM DIRECT OBSERVATIONS.
Check your nose again - that's easy. You can do it any time.
I'll have to await the next violent response to a black mob to again observe what I have observed first hand, repeatedly, FOR OVER 50 years.
That's the only difference.

So, you can name the incident from the summer where dozens of BLM protesters were killed? Should be easy.

Imagine this.
Trump's lies got just enough traction in court to throw the election into doubt, and his supporters were really able to lawyer their way into another Trump administration.

A blacker, lefter, more Constitutionally inclined mob stormed the Capitol building bent on vandalism and disruption.

Do you really think that the police would have pulled back? That there would have only been one police shooting? Only 52 arrests?


Nah. You know better.
I'm sure you're smarter than that.
Tom
 

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Is it possible to forego "whataboutisms" just once?

I believe what happened today is the direct outcome of downplaying and justifying rioting/violence from the likes of #BLM. I warned then that if we allow those riots to go on, there is nothing to prevent the Right from using similar tactics.

What happened yesterday was the result of a considerable number of the elected representatives of the people perpetuating the completely unfounded idea that the presidential election was stolen from Trump and that the results of the election should be overthrown. They were trying to completely destroy our democracy.

What happened yesterday was that the completely unhinged Donald Trump incited thousands of people to riot and to storm the capital building. They did. They were trying to completely destroy our democracy.

It had nothing to with BLM or the anti-fascists.
 

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Is it possible to forego "whataboutisms" just once?

I believe what happened today is the direct outcome of downplaying and justifying rioting/violence from the likes of #BLM. I warned then that if we allow those riots to go on, there is nothing to prevent the Right from using similar tactics.

What happened yesterday was the result of a considerable number of the elected representatives of the people perpetuating the completely unfounded idea that the presidential election was stolen from Trump

This is something the bothers me while people like Loefler back track. Look at all the state's attorney's general that sued to overturn Georgia's vote? Look at the Georgia Senate bringing in a known scammer in JH Pulitzer and pretending he was a "cybersecurity expert" with proof that Dominion was controlled by CCP and changed the vote. It wasn't just Rudi and his plucky gang. Rudi had the official stamp of approval for his 'theories' from a hell of a lot of elected officials.
 

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No, facial recognition didn’t confirm antifa infiltrated Trump supporters at the Capitol

Violence roiled the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 as supporters of President Donald Trump stormed the building, some waving Trump flags and wearing Trump attire while Capitol Police ushered lawmakers, press and staffers to safe shelter. But claims wrongly blaming antifa activists for the demonstration are proliferating on social media — and some say they have proof.

"BOOM!" one user posted on Facebook. "IT HAS NOW BEEN CONFIRMED ANTIFA INFILTRATED THE TRUMP RALLY IN DC TODAY!!"

The post shares a screenshot of a headline from a Jan. 6 Washington Times story: "Facial recognition firm claims Antifa infiltrated Trump protesters who stormed Capitol."

The company denied generating "any composites or detection imagery" for the Times or a "retired military officer."
 

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[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The OG tweet got deleted but i got the screen grab <a href="https://t.co/gFhzV8iaQP">pic.twitter.com/gFhzV8iaQP</a></p>— hamzito (@HamZaddy_) <a href="https://twitter.com/HamZaddy_/status/1346973828145180678?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]

:hysterical:
 

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No, facial recognition didn’t confirm antifa infiltrated Trump supporters at the Capitol

Violence roiled the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 as supporters of President Donald Trump stormed the building, some waving Trump flags and wearing Trump attire while Capitol Police ushered lawmakers, press and staffers to safe shelter. But claims wrongly blaming antifa activists for the demonstration are proliferating on social media — and some say they have proof.

"BOOM!" one user posted on Facebook. "IT HAS NOW BEEN CONFIRMED ANTIFA INFILTRATED THE TRUMP RALLY IN DC TODAY!!"

The post shares a screenshot of a headline from a Jan. 6 Washington Times story: "Facial recognition firm claims Antifa infiltrated Trump protesters who stormed Capitol."

The company denied generating "any composites or detection imagery" for the Times or a "retired military officer."

But they did say two of the men "were affiliated with the Maryland Skinheads and the National Socialist Movements." I saw those same pics online reposted a few times, but also saw the proof they were nazis. Yes, bona fide nazis were taking selfies during their ransacking of the Capitol building. These are the very fine people, now "very special" people, unfairly treated people, that Trump loves so much.
 

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No, facial recognition didn’t confirm antifa infiltrated Trump supporters at the Capitol

Violence roiled the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 as supporters of President Donald Trump stormed the building, some waving Trump flags and wearing Trump attire while Capitol Police ushered lawmakers, press and staffers to safe shelter. But claims wrongly blaming antifa activists for the demonstration are proliferating on social media — and some say they have proof.

"BOOM!" one user posted on Facebook. "IT HAS NOW BEEN CONFIRMED ANTIFA INFILTRATED THE TRUMP RALLY IN DC TODAY!!"

The post shares a screenshot of a headline from a Jan. 6 Washington Times story: "Facial recognition firm claims Antifa infiltrated Trump protesters who stormed Capitol."

The company denied generating "any composites or detection imagery" for the Times or a "retired military officer."

Antifa? Pfft. They weren’t that ugly.
 

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To be fair, it's probably less the skin colour and more the political leanings of the "protesters" that softened the police. A mob of white communist or Islamist sympathisers would arguably have gotten themselves gunned down too, it's only when the protesters have fascist leanings that their friends in the police pose for selfies.

Yup, as usual race is simply a proxy for the real issues.
 

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Everyone in the Capital last night was committing a crime ranging from trespassing to insurrection to even murder and of the thousand or so criminals only 52 were arrested the vast majority of whom were only charged with violating the curfew. Charges that will most likely be dropped as they were in Portland and Seattle.

They were all working together and there were deaths. Sounds like felony murder charges for everyone involved.
 

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[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The OG tweet got deleted but i got the screen grab <a href="https://t.co/gFhzV8iaQP">pic.twitter.com/gFhzV8iaQP</a></p>— hamzito (@HamZaddy_) <a href="https://twitter.com/HamZaddy_/status/1346973828145180678?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]

:hysterical:

You'll love this then:

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/schmoyoho/status/1347053742521262082[/TWEET]
 

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[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The OG tweet got deleted but i got the screen grab <a href="https://t.co/gFhzV8iaQP">pic.twitter.com/gFhzV8iaQP</a></p>— hamzito (@HamZaddy_) <a href="https://twitter.com/HamZaddy_/status/1346973828145180678?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]

:hysterical:

OMG that is priceless. She's upset that the police, the defenders of the current regime is trying to prevent a revolution. Hey, lady, it's their actual job description. If a little mace is enough to stop your revolution, I'd say your heart isn't in it :)
 

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To be fair, it's probably less the skin colour and more the political leanings of the "protesters" that softened the police. A mob of white communist or Islamist sympathisers would arguably have gotten themselves gunned down too, it's only when the protesters have fascist leanings that their friends in the police pose for selfies.

Yup, as usual, race is simply a proxy for the real issues.

Yes, it is. The question is why 56 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, we can't shake off the affliction of racism. It still consumes all of us, on the right and the left. It is frustrating.
 

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Everyone in the Capital last night was committing a crime ranging from trespassing to insurrection to even murder and of the thousand or so criminals only 52 were arrested the vast majority of whom were only charged with violating the curfew. Charges that will most likely be dropped as they were in Portland and Seattle.

They were all working together and there were deaths. Sounds like felony murder charges for everyone involved.

A Capitol Policeman died today from injuries by the protesters. Making felony murder charges even more likely.

The hope is that this clusterfuck will break Trump's and Trumpism's hold on the right. From what I see here it will take some more time.
 

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Holy shit is that woman funny & I thought the caveman cosplaying as a Viking was hilarious. 2021 while kicking off with a an attempted coup in America may not be bad after all.
 

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A Capitol Policeman died today from injuries by the protesters. Making felony murder charges even more likely.

There have been conflicting reports on this. Please be careful.
Tom
 

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A Capitol Policeman died today from injuries by the protesters. Making felony murder charges even more likely.

There have been conflicting reports on this. Please be careful.
Tom

Can you point to any reliable sources that deny he died of injuries caused by clashing with protestors? Every source I see agrees on those facts, and the most recent stories confirm that a Federal murder investigation is under way.
 

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A Capitol Policeman died today from injuries by the protesters. Making felony murder charges even more likely.

There have been conflicting reports on this. Please be careful.
Tom

Can you point to any reliable sources that deny he died of injuries caused by clashing with protestors? Every source I see agrees on those facts, and the most recent stories confirm that a Federal murder investigation is under way.
 

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https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/loss-uscp-colleague-brian-d-sicknick

January 7, 2021 Press Release
At approximately 9:30 p.m. this evening (January 7, 2021), United States Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick passed away due to injuries sustained while on-duty.

Officer Sicknick was responding to the riots on Wednesday, January 6, 2021, at the U.S. Capitol and was injured while physically engaging with protesters. He returned to his division office and collapsed. He was taken to a local hospital where he succumbed to his injuries. The death of Officer Sicknick will be investigated by the Metropolitan Police Department’s Homicide Branch, the USCP, and our federal partners.

Officer Sicknick joined the USCP in July 2008, and most recently served in the Department’s First Responder’s Unit.

The entire USCP Department expresses its deepest sympathies to Officer Sicknick’s family and friends on their loss, and mourns the loss of a friend and colleague.

We ask that Officer Sicknick’s family, and other USCP officers’ and their families’ privacy be respected during this time.


Whatever the reports are he was injured by protester(s). Protester(s) that President Trump told to march to the capital after saying things like

Trump "Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about."

Trump "We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen."

Crowd Chants " Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!"

Need more?
 

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To be fair, it's probably less the skin colour and more the political leanings of the "protesters" that softened the police. A mob of white communist or Islamist sympathisers would arguably have gotten themselves gunned down too, it's only when the protesters have fascist leanings that their friends in the police pose for selfies.

Yup, as usual, race is simply a proxy for the real issues.

Yes, it is. The question is why 56 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, we can't shake off the affliction of racism. It still consumes all of us, on the right and the left. It is frustrating.

There are those whose power comes from promoting the idea of rampant racism.

There are a lot of people who find racism a convenient excuse and avoid addressing the real, much harder issues.
 
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Yes, it is. The question is why 56 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, we can't shake off the affliction of racism. It still consumes all of us, on the right and the left. It is frustrating.

There are those whose power comes from promoting the idea of rampant racism.

There are a lot of people who find racism a convenient excuse and avoid addressing the real, much harder issues.
Also, race is an easy proxy for lots of other things to continue the economic divides in this power. This requires a couple of things that you don't like to admit (which is ironic, considering your post here, but you know, par for the course).
First, it requires racism to be real and fairly widespread. This is clear to anyone with eyes to see.

Second, it requires plenty of demagogues to use race or racial dogwhistles to constantly blame others for problems that those in power are usually responsible for causing.

Simple, widespread, and trivially true.
 

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Yes, it is. The question is why 56 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, we can't shake off the affliction of racism. It still consumes all of us, on the right and the left. It is frustrating.

There are those whose power comes from promoting the idea of rampant racism.

There are a lot of people who find racism a convenient excuse and avoid addressing the real, much harder issues.
Also, race is an easy proxy for lots of other things to continue the economic divides in this power. This requires a couple of things that you don't like to admit (which is ironic, considering your post here, but you know, par for the course).
First, it requires racism to be real and fairly widespread. This is clear to anyone with eyes to see.

Second, it requires plenty of demagogues to use race or racial dogwhistles to constantly blame others for problems that those in power are usually responsible for causing.

Simple, widespread, and trivially true.

What I find disappointing is that LP apparently doesn't see that whenever we discuss how to end racism, we always frontload on education, opportunity, ending racially biased laws, and mitigating racially biased tendencies amid addressing the economic disparities that spawn proxy racism in the first place.
 

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Yes, it is. The question is why 56 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, we can't shake off the affliction of racism. It still consumes all of us, on the right and the left. It is frustrating.

There are those whose power comes from promoting the idea of rampant racism.

There are a lot of people who find racism a convenient excuse and avoid addressing the real, much harder issues.
Also, race is an easy proxy for lots of other things to continue the economic divides in this power. This requires a couple of things that you don't like to admit (which is ironic, considering your post here, but you know, par for the course).
First, it requires racism to be real and fairly widespread. This is clear to anyone with eyes to see.

Second, it requires plenty of demagogues to use race or racial dogwhistles to constantly blame others for problems that those in power are usually responsible for causing.

Simple, widespread, and trivially true.

Huh? You seem to agree that race is an easy proxy, but then insist that it's real and not a proxy. The thing is when enough scrutiny is applied it's generally shown to be just a proxy.
 

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Also, race is an easy proxy for lots of other things to continue the economic divides in this power. This requires a couple of things that you don't like to admit (which is ironic, considering your post here, but you know, par for the course).
First, it requires racism to be real and fairly widespread. This is clear to anyone with eyes to see.

Second, it requires plenty of demagogues to use race or racial dogwhistles to constantly blame others for problems that those in power are usually responsible for causing.

Simple, widespread, and trivially true.

What I find disappointing is that LP apparently doesn't see that whenever we discuss how to end racism, we always frontload on education, opportunity, ending racially biased laws, and mitigating racially biased tendencies amid addressing the economic disparities that spawn proxy racism in the first place.

Except that's not what most of you actually favor.

Education? You assume racism is the problem and the cure is to discriminate against non-blacks. Easy answer but clearly wrong--it has been repeatedly shown that there's pretty much zero benefit from putting students in "better" schools. Schools reflect

Opportunity? Once again, you assume the answer is to discriminate against non-blacks. Note that I favor truly race-blind approaches, not tit-for-tat discrimination that just creates more victims.

Racially biased laws? Nothing racial here, it's a proxy for socioeconomic status.

Mitigating racially biased tendencies? Another dogwhistle for discriminating against non-blacks.

The only thing on your list that remotely makes sense is economic disparities--but there aren't easy answers here other than throwing more discrimination on the fire.
 

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Yes, it is. The question is why 56 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, we can't shake off the affliction of racism. It still consumes all of us, on the right and the left. It is frustrating.

There are those whose power comes from promoting the idea of rampant racism.
And there are those whose power comes from dismissing the effects of racism.
There are a lot of people who find racism a convenient excuse and avoid addressing the real, much harder issues.
I suspect there are just as many, if not more, people who find any excuse to dismiss the real and harder issue of racism.
 

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Also, race is an easy proxy for lots of other things to continue the economic divides in this power. This requires a couple of things that you don't like to admit (which is ironic, considering your post here, but you know, par for the course).
First, it requires racism to be real and fairly widespread. This is clear to anyone with eyes to see.

Second, it requires plenty of demagogues to use race or racial dogwhistles to constantly blame others for problems that those in power are usually responsible for causing.

Simple, widespread, and trivially true.

Huh? You seem to agree that race is an easy proxy, but then insist that it's real and not a proxy. The thing is when enough scrutiny is applied it's generally shown to be just a proxy.
I'll give you this: you're really good at (intentionally) missing the point.
 

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Also, race is an easy proxy for lots of other things to continue the economic divides in this power. This requires a couple of things that you don't like to admit (which is ironic, considering your post here, but you know, par for the course).
First, it requires racism to be real and fairly widespread. This is clear to anyone with eyes to see.

Second, it requires plenty of demagogues to use race or racial dogwhistles to constantly blame others for problems that those in power are usually responsible for causing.

Simple, widespread, and trivially true.

Huh? You seem to agree that race is an easy proxy, but then insist that it's real and not a proxy. The thing is when enough scrutiny is applied it's generally shown to be just a proxy.
"generally." So, you admit that it's not ALWAYS a proxy, but you're confused that WT treats it as both a fact and a proxy?

If it was not real, it would not make a good proxy, would it?

The story of the boy who cried 'wolf' would be drastically different if he had cried, "Kraken!"
 

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"Protesters" vandalizing Portland commissioner's house because he didn't want to vote to defund police.

Portland Commissioner Dan Ryan’s home vandalized 7 times since he voted not to cut police budget, he says

But I am sure some of y'all will find some excuse for that behavior, as usual.

Vandalizing a house, many houses, any houses is not ok by any stretch.

The fact that someone who believes in a cause may be unable to meaningfully contribute to the positive advance of that cause is separate from whether the cause is right.

You can whinge all you want about these people. You can have them, though you have heard me enough times by now about how I believe the behavior ought be addressed, and it doesn't involve throwing them over to a Nazi prison gang.
 

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"Protesters" vandalizing Portland commissioner's house because he didn't want to vote to defund police.

Portland Commissioner Dan Ryan’s home vandalized 7 times since he voted not to cut police budget, he says

But I am sure some of y'all will find some excuse for that behavior, as usual.

The behavior isn't excusable, it's understandable. That doesn't mean they should be let off the hook, and goodness knows black people are NOT given lenience whatsoever. It means they are fed up with what authority does to them. They have no authority to back them up in commiting violence or getting away with it. But they do have first hand, personal and direct experiences with corrupt powers abusing them.

I'm still wondering how you could be a grown up adult and a member of this community and still not understand what state means. Those vandals were not operating under the power of the state. They did NOT have cops supporting them and letting them get by with anything. They did NOT have the fucking president of the United States dismissing them or calling them fine people.

Have you ever wondered how people who don't have the power of the state behind them fight so hard for justice? As opposed to people who trash the Capitol and threaten top officials because the topmost official of the state, at best, refused to acknowledge their bad behavior, and at worst, purposely led them to do exactly what they did? How is it possible that you don't know the difference?

Are you even curious anymore, Derec? Fighting so hard to justify and defend outright lies to support authority figures against people with no authority at all must be exhausting. Ain't ya tired, Derec?
 

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"Protesters" vandalizing Portland commissioner's house because he didn't want to vote to defund police.

Portland Commissioner Dan Ryan’s home vandalized 7 times since he voted not to cut police budget, he says

But I am sure some of y'all will find some excuse for that behavior, as usual.

The behavior isn't excusable, it's understandable. That doesn't mean they should be let off the hook, and goodness knows black people are NOT given lenience whatsoever. It means they are fed up with what authority does to them. They have no authority to back them up in commiting violence or getting away with it. But they do have first hand, personal and direct experiences with corrupt powers abusing them.

Portland protestors are mostly white. And it is hard to understand why they're doing this because it accomplishes nothing for their alleged cause.
 

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"Protesters" vandalizing Portland commissioner's house because he didn't want to vote to defund police.

Portland Commissioner Dan Ryan’s home vandalized 7 times since he voted not to cut police budget, he says

But I am sure some of y'all will find some excuse for that behavior, as usual.

The behavior isn't excusable, it's understandable. That doesn't mean they should be let off the hook, and goodness knows black people are NOT given lenience whatsoever. It means they are fed up with what authority does to them. They have no authority to back them up in commiting violence or getting away with it. But they do have first hand, personal and direct experiences with corrupt powers abusing them.

Portland protestors are mostly white. And it is hard to understand why they're doing this because it accomplishes nothing for their alleged cause.

You can criticize them all day long and it won't change the fact that the fat, stupid, white 911 at the Capitol is state sanctioned in terms of both corrupt, white supremacist-infested law enforcement (a state power) and the blessing of the fucking highest office in the country (the state), who, by the way, has used his powerful position to stoke and dog whistle racist violence for his entire four years in office.

BLM and their allies are not state sanctioned or state supported by any means. If you, like Derec, don't know the difference between corrupt state powers and minority groups protesting and acting out in rightful anger, or the difference between bullies and the targets they abuse, then, at best, you have nothing useful to add to the discussion, and at worst, you're just another voice supporting corrupt powers and wanton abuse and dehumanization of minorities.

It is stupid and inhumane and not in the least bit "unifying" to let bullies off the hook while claiming their targets finally fighting back is "just as bad."

And by "you," I mean the hypothetical, not necessarily you personally.
 

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It doesn't have to be state sanction to be objectionable. Why even bring that into it?
 
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It doesn't have to be state sanction to be objectionable. Why even bring that into it?

Is this really a serious question? Why would you not hold power accountable? Yes, state powers abusing citizens is way fucking more objectionable than minorities protesting being abused. WTF?

I've said this many times, but every time it just floors me that there are people who actually cannot tell the difference between a bully abusing a kid all year and the kid finally fighting back. Literally cannot see a difference. Astounding.
 
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