# "Protester" Misconduct Catch All Thread

#### Elixir

Really, get a grip.

Don't hold your breath. This is someone who thinks arson is equivocal to murders committed during an act of treason.

#### Derec

##### Contributor
Don't hold your breath. This is someone who thinks arson is equivocal to murders committed during an act of treason.
#BLM creeps have also murdered a retired police captain during the Minneapolis riots to honor armed robber George Floyd. But you have excuses why that doesn't matter too.

#### Derec

##### Contributor
If it was just fine, he would not have been charged or a guilty plea accepted. Really, get a grip.

"Just fine" for CNN and certain posters on here, including you and Elixir.

#### Jarhyn

##### Wizard
Don't hold your breath. This is someone who thinks arson is equivocal to murders committed during an act of treason.
#BLM creeps have also murdered a retired police captain during the Minneapolis riots to honor armed robber George Floyd. But you have excuses why that doesn't matter too.

Oh, we absolutely take issue with it, but these are not the same. One was a guy killed by a few gang members outside the scope of peaceful protests; were I at the situation I would have stood with the cop (probably; if he was being a racist asshole I might just get some popcorn and watch. Actually no, I would still protect him from being murdered. I just wouldn't protect him from being roughed up a little first. I'm not THAT great of a person.).

This is different from an armed mob marching together into the halls of congress with the intent to kidnap and murder elder statesmen.

It is the difference between a few opportunistic parasites hiding among a fairly benign group, and a group of opportunistic parasites with, ostensibly, some very fine people, sprinkled in. Granted they are all accessory to sedition, so, there's that.

They both matter. The difference is, a few assholes robbing a store during a moment of major civil unrest is different from a LOT of assholes trying to coup the whole government during an otherwise peaceful exchange of power.

#### Derec

##### Contributor
They both matter. The difference is, a few assholes robbing a store during a moment of major civil unrest is different from a LOT of assholes trying to coup the whole government during an otherwise peaceful exchange of power.

The Capitol riot lasted a few hours. The deadly George Floyd riots lasted for weeks and even months in cities like Portland. In Seattle, the leftist mob occupied territory, as the so-called "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone". And the #BLM rioting hasn't just started this year - it started all the way back in 2014 when #BLM trashed Ferguson, burning buildings, looting stores etc.

#### laughing dog

##### Contributor
If it was just fine, he would not have been charged or a guilty plea accepted. Really, get a grip.

"Just fine" for CNN and certain posters on here, including you and Elixir.
I seriously doubt CNN approved of the riot or even defended it. I know that the riot was not fine with me. Please get a a grip on reality.

#### laughing dog

##### Contributor
They both matter. The difference is, a few assholes robbing a store during a moment of major civil unrest is different from a LOT of assholes trying to coup the whole government during an otherwise peaceful exchange of power.

The Capitol riot lasted a few hours. The deadly George Floyd riots lasted for weeks and even months in cities like Portland. In Seattle, the leftist mob occupied territory, as the so-called "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone". And the #BLM rioting hasn't just started this year - it started all the way back in 2014 when #BLM trashed Ferguson, burning buildings, looting stores etc.
Are you away that the Trump campaign paid some of the "protest" organizers about $2.7 million? This was an organized "protest". #### Elixir ##### Made in America Don't hold your breath. This is someone who thinks arson is equivocal to murders committed during an act of treason. #BLM creeps have also murdered a retired police captain during the Minneapolis riots to honor armed robber George Floyd. And to you, that is just as serious as the attempted overthrow of the government for which hundreds of thousands of Americans have died. That's a problem for me. But you have excuses why that doesn't matter too. Guess I struck a nerve there, but try not to lie, Derec. What are some of those "excuses"? (HINT: I have never asserted that BLM violence, murders or even your dreaded PROPERTY DAMAGE "don't matter".) #### Elixir ##### Made in America They both matter. The difference is, a few assholes robbing a store during a moment of major civil unrest is different from a LOT of assholes trying to coup the whole government during an otherwise peaceful exchange of power. The Capitol riot lasted a few hours. The deadly George Floyd riots lasted for weeks and even months in cities like Portland. In Seattle, the leftist mob occupied territory, as the so-called "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone". And the #BLM rioting hasn't just started this year - it started all the way back in 2014 when #BLM trashed Ferguson, burning buildings, looting stores etc. Are you away that the Trump campaign paid some of the "protest" organizers about$2.7 million? This was an organized "protest".

No protest, those were (mercenaries in) the fascist Trump Army.

#### Swammerdami

Staff member
nm.

I clicked Reply just to find how Elixir got "property damage" in a weird font. It is NOT a font; it's from one of the extra planes of Unicode. :gasp: , namely Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols (0x1D400 - 0x1D7FF). Overcome with curiosity I generated all 1024 characters in that Unicode class.

Almost all the characters displayed nicely in Notepad, OK in the browser Editing Window; some degrade on Preview. And AFTER posting and re-reading they all turn into the �������� garbage symbol. :-(

My own signature uses only BMP characters.

Regards,
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#### Swammerdami

Staff member

Wow. I see ...
a spokeswoman for the department said no arrests were made.
Is this an example of the anti-right bias some in the thread write about?

#### Elixir

Do I have to bring up that TAN SUIT again??!!!

#### Derec

##### Contributor

That's a weird one.

#### Derec

##### Contributor
Finally somebody is going to prison for organizing a #BLM riot. Note that this is a federal prosecution, not a local one - local DAs have been largely derelict in their duties prosecuting #BLM and Antifa rioters.

Champaign Man Pleads Guilty to Inciting Riot

DOJ said:
A Champaign, Ill., man, Shamar N. Betts, 20, today pleaded guilty to inciting a riot in Champaign, Ill., that began on May 31 and continued overnight to June 1, 2020. Sentencing has been scheduled on June 14, 2021.

In court today, before U.S. Magistrate Judge Eric I. Long, Betts admitted to his role in inciting the riot that began at Market Place Mall and spread to area businesses and moved to the commercial area of North Prospect Ave.:
On May 31, 2020, at 10:31 a.m., Betts posted a statement to Facebook and attached a flyer of a stock image of a burning vehicle overlaid with a date and time: “RIOT @ MarketPlace Mall, Time: 3.” The flyer listed items to bring including “friends, family, posters, bricks, bookbags, etc.” In a post accompanying the flyer, Betts wrote, in part, “We gotta put Champaign/Urbana on the map - expletive – gone hear and fear us too. SLIDE let’s get busy.”
[...]
During the riot, Betts also used his cell phone to make and post a Facebook Live video. The video depicts Betts carrying multiple items, including numerous pairs of khaki pants with Old Navy tags attached. Betts is heard in the video repeatedly stating, “We out here…” In another video, taken by a bystander, Betts is seen carrying multiple items, including khaki pants, and walking from Old Navy. As Betts walked by the bystander, he stated, “I started this s---.” Betts also used his cell phone during the riot to instigate others to join or to brag about starting the riot including statements such as “I started this,” and “Are you sliding to my riot?”
[...]
Further, Betts admitted that after the riot, he fled to Mississippi where he used his cell phone to conduct internet searches such as, “can police find your location by logging in messenger,” “can police track your facebook,” and “what are charges for starting a riot.”

This is the flyer in question:

#### Gospel

##### Unify Africa
He should have gone straight home after that post and not participated in the riot. His chances of being convicted would have decreased and totally vanished if all the jurors are republican.

#### Elixir

He should have gone straight home after that post and not participated in the riot.

...or at least joined a right wing terrorist mob, murdered and maimed some cops and trashed the US Capitol.

The moral of the story: DON'T FUCK WITH THE MALL!
(You might cause PROPERTY DAMAGE)

#### laughing dog

##### Contributor
When someone organizes and advertises a riot over ______ (you fill in the cause), it makes me wonder if the cause is simply a riot.

#### Derec

##### Contributor
He should have gone straight home after that post and not participated in the riot.

...or at least joined a right wing terrorist mob, murdered and maimed some cops and trashed the US Capitol.

The moral of the story: DON'T FUCK WITH THE MALL!
(You might cause PROPERTY DAMAGE)

The months long #BLM/Antifa riots of last Summer killed several people, including an 8 year old girl in Atlanta. The rioters also attacked many government buildings, including court houses, post offices and ICE offices.

But to the Left, only one riot matters, even though it lasted a few hours instead of a few months and led to far less damage and deaths than the #BLM rioting last Summer.

#### Derec

##### Contributor
And on Friday there was a #BLM riot in New York CIty.

Violent BLM protest in NYC leaves two NYPD cops injured, 11 arrested

NY Post said:
Police arrested 11 people — one who allegedly bit a cop’s leg — when an anti-cop protest turned violent in Manhattan, authorities said Saturday.
About 100 people converged on Midtown for Friday night’s “Defund the Police” demonstration organized by Black Lives Matter, cops said.
[...]
Angel Rivera, 19, of Manhattan, was arrested for kicking one officer in the foot and biting another officer on his thigh during the 9:15 p.m. fracas, the spokeswoman said.
Rivera was charged with two counts of assault on a police officer, two counts of assault, one count of resisting arrest, obstructing governmental justice and unlawful possession of a noxious matter.
At least some of those taken into custody were accused of attacking Daily News photographer Sam Costanza at Sixth Avenue and 54th Street — in the mistaken belief that he was a cop, law-enforcement sources told The Post.
[...]
About a dozen people surrounded the lensman, shoving him and beating him with their fists and other objects, the sources said.

This Angel Rivera has attacked police officers many times before. Why isn't he locked up at Riker's?

But somehow I am sure Elixir will try to justify that one too or try to minimize it because it was not the Capitol.

Of course, had Trump won and a left wing mob had descended on the Capitol (or thrown Molotovs at the White House), he'd be lecturing us how the Capitol riot doesn't matter either.

#### Derec

##### Contributor
When someone organizes and advertises a riot over ______ (you fill in the cause), it makes me wonder if the cause is simply a riot.

Shamar Betts seems to me to be a genuine true believer. Just like the firebombers Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman.

#### Don2 (Don1 Revised)

##### Contributor
Maybe Derec has a point.

#### DrZoidberg

##### Contributor
Maybe Derec has a point.

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People do prefer brown eggs. So it makes sense they are more expensive. The fact that they are in every other way identical is nothing that stops the market from reacting to it.

#### Derec

##### Contributor
Is the fix in to let these two walk with a slap on the wrist?
I sure hope not! They deserve at least 5 years in prison.

Lawyers charged with torching NYPD car with Molotov cocktail offered plea deal

These two lawyers cum domestic terrorists torched a NYPD vehicle with a Molotov cocktail and then handed out more of those to other rioters.

Here is a video of one of them, Urooj Rahman, talking to the media praising political valence.

#### Loren Pechtel

##### Super Moderator
Staff member
Is the fix in to let these two walk with a slap on the wrist?
I sure hope not! They deserve at least 5 years in prison.

Lawyers charged with torching NYPD car with Molotov cocktail offered plea deal

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These two lawyers cum domestic terrorists torched a NYPD vehicle with a Molotov cocktail and then handed out more of those to other rioters.

Here is a video of one of them, Urooj Rahman, talking to the media praising political valence.

And most cases end in a plea bargain. The fact that any given case was plea-bargained doesn't prove they're getting off light.

#### Don2 (Don1 Revised)

##### Contributor
Latest two arrested from Capitol insurrection...one was a former cop and one a Republican lawmaker:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investig...e-attack-on-capitol-police-officials/2904889/

The cop brought a bulletproof vest and gun. Attacked police with a pipe and gouged a police officer's eyes among other violent misdeeds.

I wasn't sure whether to put this under this thread or the Police Misconduct thread, but here we are.

#### Derec

##### Contributor
And most cases end in a plea bargain.
I am aware of both those things - thank you Cpt. Obvious!
That's why I asked the question about them possibly getting off with a slap on the wrist rather than formulating it as a statement.

The fact that any given case was plea-bargained doesn't prove they're getting off light.
Of course not. But I have no confidence in the Biden DOJ to faithfully prosecute left wing political violence such as the violence as part of the months long #BLM riots last year.
If the plea deal is taken, we shall see what it entailed, but as I say, I have no confidence here.

#### Loren Pechtel

##### Super Moderator
Staff member
And most cases end in a plea bargain.
I am aware of both those things - thank you Cpt. Obvious!
That's why I asked the question about them possibly getting off with a slap on the wrist rather than formulating it as a statement.

The fact that any given case was plea-bargained doesn't prove they're getting off light.
Of course not. But I have no confidence in the Biden DOJ to faithfully prosecute left wing political violence such as the violence as part of the months long #BLM riots last year.
If the plea deal is taken, we shall see what it entailed, but as I say, I have no confidence here.

There's no reason to even suggest that plea bargain = slap on the wrist.

#### steve_bank

##### Diabetic retinopathy and poor eyesight. Typos ...
Here in Seattle control of the strets has gone over to thje mob. Plice at the start were told to back off. An autonomous zone, CHOP, was declared excluding press, police, and emergency services. They armed themselves and a car that wanderd in was riddled with bullets k8illing ocupants.

Police have been deserting Seattle PD in numbers. Last report SPD is down over 100 officers, they are going elsewhere in the state.

Last summer unannounced protestors walked out onto I5 in downtown Seattle. A woman was struck and killed by a car. Family is suing Seattle for not providing safety of a mob on a highway.

An avowed Marxists on our cuity counsel illegaly opend city hall at night to a mob. She says she wants to bring down the system and relace it wir her vision of democracy. She is an Indian immigrant.

If that is not insurrection I do not know what is.

Our mayor is just as inept and lacking leadership as Trump.

Last report says over 160 businesses have left Seattle due to crime and violence. 3rd ave downtown was once vibrant and thriving. Now it is boarded up and deserted, like an apocalypse movie.

Here in Seattle it is way past civil disobedience and misconduct. It is street rule by a leaderless mob.

Every year since the WTO riots the anarchists dressed in black Ninja clothes with humanmade weapons and fire bombs cause damage and try to provoke police.

It is true that mainstream media focusses solei on the radical right. The only attention we got was when Trump sent agents.

#### Derec

##### Contributor
There's no reason to even suggest that plea bargain = slap on the wrist.
There is in this case because Democratic prosecutors have been very lenient on left-wing rioters, in many cases not even prosecuting them.

#### steve_bank

##### Diabetic retinopathy and poor eyesight. Typos ...
Unless it is a serious felony like assault protesters, rioters, are not being charged. Due to pushback by business in Seallte there may be a shift.

Right now you can damage property with little consequence.

#### Derec

##### Contributor
More Antifa rioting in Portland

Reported antifa rioters smash windows and vandalize businesses in downtown Portland over Biden's immigration policies

MSN said:
"When these people come through, and we've lost an entire day of business which means that's impacting my team member's wages. This has been going on for nine months," said Jim Rice, who owns Fields Bar and Grill in downtown Portland. "Where are our resources? When do we get enough resources to finally go after and fix this?"
[...]
“Portland: Using rocks, batons & weapons, #antifa smashed up businesses and cars in the Pearl District overnight,” Ngo said. “They completely shut down the roads. The same area was severely vandalized by antifa back when Trump won election in 2016.”
[...]
About 150 rioters marched through Portland’s Pearl District, the site of many of the summer’s most destructive protests in the city. Rioters smashed windows and tagged businesses such as Starbucks, Chipotle, Umpqua Bank, and Urban Pantry with graffiti.
Police were only able to make two arrests, including a 31-year-old rioter that was arrested for criminal mischief and a 17-year-old who was detained for interfering with a peace officer.

Even these two arrests are probably futile because DA Mike Schmidt is routinely dismissing charges against Antifa and other left-wing rioters.

##### Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
A man refused to mask up at a high school basketball game. Then he killed an officer who intervened, police say.

The George Washington Carver High School basketball team had built a huge early lead in its playoff game in New Orleans on Saturday when John Shallerhorn tried to walk into the gym. But Shallerhorn, 35, wasn’t wearing a mask, so a staffer blocked his way, police said.

When Shallerhorn punched the staffer, Tulane University police officer Martinus Mitchum, who was working security for the team, rushed to help. That’s when Shallerhorn pulled a gun, police said, and fatally shot Mitchum, 38, in the chest, sending players and fans scurrying for safety.

Shallerhorn, who was quickly arrested and charged with multiple felonies including murder of a police officer, had also robbed someone outside the game before coming inside, according to a criminal complaint reviewed by nola.com.

#### Derec

##### Contributor

As tragic as it is, this is about a thuggish (he also committed armed robbery earlier) asshole at a high school basketball game. It has nothing to do with protests or riots, so why post in this thread?

#### Jarhyn

##### Wizard

As tragic as it is, this is about a thuggish (he also committed armed robbery earlier) asshole at a high school basketball game. It has nothing to do with protests or riots, so why post in this thread?

Ah, so hes not protesting masks?

Thuggish armed robber assholes can still be anti-mask protestors. In fact I think it describes most of them quite well sans the "robber" part.

#### Loren Pechtel

##### Super Moderator
Staff member

As tragic as it is, this is about a thuggish (he also committed armed robbery earlier) asshole at a high school basketball game. It has nothing to do with protests or riots, so why post in this thread?

Ah, so hes not protesting masks?

Thuggish armed robber assholes can still be anti-mask protestors. In fact I think it describes most of them quite well sans the "robber" part.

I don't read it as him being a protester, but rather simply refusing.

#### Arctish

##### Centimillionaire
The word "Protester" in the thread title is in scare quotes, and the OP implies the "protesters" are really just violent thugs. Derec said he was

Waiting for the usual suspects on here to try to explain how assaulting police officers and destruction of property are justified.

It seems to me that the robber who shot a cop when confronted for refusing to wear a mask is exactly the sort of person this thread is about.

That or else the OP was an attempt to paint anyone protesting anything with a very broad, tar-covered brush.

#### steve_bank

##### Diabetic retinopathy and poor eyesight. Typos ...
Reported antifa rioters smash windows and vandalize businesses in downtown Portland over Biden's immigration policies

MSN said:
"When these people come through, and we've lost an entire day of business which means that's impacting my team member's wages. This has been going on for nine months," said Jim Rice, who owns Fields Bar and Grill in downtown Portland. "Where are our resources? When do we get enough resources to finally go after and fix this?"
[...]
“Portland: Using rocks, batons & weapons, #antifa smashed up businesses and cars in the Pearl District overnight,” Ngo said. “They completely shut down the roads. The same area was severely vandalized by antifa back when Trump won election in 2016.”
[...]
About 150 rioters marched through Portland’s Pearl District, the site of many of the summer’s most destructive protests in the city. Rioters smashed windows and tagged businesses such as Starbucks, Chipotle, Umpqua Bank, and Urban Pantry with graffiti.
Police were only able to make two arrests, including a 31-year-old rioter that was arrested for criminal mischief and a 17-year-old who was detained for interfering with a peace officer.

Even these two arrests are probably futile because DA Mike Schmidt is routinely dismissing charges against Antifa and other left-wing rioters.

The Portland and Seattle politicians are running scared, afraid of being labeled racists. It is as simple as that, tyranny by the minority.

I listened to our mayor Derkins speak near where I li9ve outside in a parking lot. She was heckled by ANTIFA people shouting anti American rantings.

#### Jarhyn

##### Wizard
Ah, so hes not protesting masks?

Thuggish armed robber assholes can still be anti-mask protestors. In fact I think it describes most of them quite well sans the "robber" part.

I don't read it as him being a protester, but rather simply refusing.

Then you are reading it selectively, with bias. He has publicly expressed his objection, loudly and with protest. Then he shot some folks.

That's not "simply" anything.

He protested when they asked him to put a mask on. His protest was murder.

#### Loren Pechtel

##### Super Moderator
Staff member
Ah, so hes not protesting masks?

Thuggish armed robber assholes can still be anti-mask protestors. In fact I think it describes most of them quite well sans the "robber" part.

I don't read it as him being a protester, but rather simply refusing.

Then you are reading it selectively, with bias. He has publicly expressed his objection, loudly and with protest. Then he shot some folks.

That's not "simply" anything.

He protested when they asked him to put a mask on. His protest was murder.

We are disagreeing on the meaning of the word "protester".

I do not see even vocal non-compliance as being a protester. To me a protester is trying to sway people's opinions about something with planned actions, not merely objecting, refusing to comply with the rules.

#### Derec

##### Contributor
And Seattle ...

13 arrested for property damage, assault after destructive march in Seattle

KING5 said:
Seattle police arrested 13 people Saturday night after a march downtown turned destructive. The march was planned to mark the one year anniversary of the death of Breonna Taylor, a Black woman, who was shot and killed by police during a botched drug raid at her Louisville, Kentucky home.
[...]
During the march, police said members of the group pulled barricades, fencing, and cones out of a construction zone on Alaskan Way between Yesler Way and Columbia Street, blocking traffic in several lanes. The Washington State Patrol had to temporarily close the ferry terminal until the marchers cleared the area, police said.
At about 8:20 p.m., officers started arresting identified individuals who had tampered with the construction zone. Police said while this was happening, other members of the group began throwing rocks at police. One officer was struck by a rock but his helmet kept him from being injured, police said.
[...]
The group made their way to Belltown around 9 p.m. and started vandalizing businesses in the area of 2nd Avenue and Lenora Street with spray paint and broke several large windows, police said. They continued into the downtown core and caused more damage to businesses in the area of 6th Avenue and Pine Street.

#### Keith&Co.

##### Contributor
Then you are reading it selectively, with bias. He has publicly expressed his objection, loudly and with protest. Then he shot some folks.

That's not "simply" anything.

He protested when they asked him to put a mask on. His protest was murder.

We are disagreeing on the meaning of the word "protester".

I do not see even vocal non-compliance as being a protester. To me a protester is trying to sway people's opinions about something with planned actions, not merely objecting, refusing to comply with the rules.

Um, Rosa Parks? Not a protestor in your estimation?

#### Derec

##### Contributor
Um, Rosa Parks? Not a protestor in your estimation?

Rosa Parks' was very much an organized action.

#### Derec

##### Contributor
More "protester" misconduct ...

First, New York City.

Video Shows Protesters Smashing Windows at NYC Restaurant While Patrons Dine

A bunch of #BLMers vandalized NYC restaurant "Balthazar" and a police car.

Then, we move to Chiraq. A bunch of people were blocking traffic to "protest" the shooting of an armed gang member (Latin Kings).
Marchers Take To Logan Square Streets To Demand Justice For 13-Year-Old Adam Toledo
Block Club Chicago said:
The Friday night protest, which was organized autonomously, started and ended at Palmer Square Park. Despite the small crowd of about 50 people, marchers took to the streets and stopped traffic at various intersections, with police cars following behind and on side streets.

People chanted and held signs that read, “Abolish the police” and members from the Little Village Community Council attended with signs that read, “Justice for Adam” in English and Spanish.
Yeah, because when police are abolished, gangs like Latin Kings can go about their criminal activities (such as shooting people over haircuts) without interference.

“No country is right for a child to die at the hands of our law enforcement,” said Enrique Enriquez, a member of the Little Village Community Council who helped organize an earlier rally in Little Village and knows the Toledo family. “We are not going to allow any of this to continue [in Little Village].”
How about not allowing your 13 year old kids to join gangs and shoot guns at 2:30 in the morning? How about that, wise guy?

Oh, yeah, Adam Toledo aka Baby Diablo was just 13 years old. I guess 90s Hillary was right.

#### Loren Pechtel

##### Super Moderator
Staff member
You realize that it's often not the protesters that do the damage.

#### Derec

##### Contributor
You realize that it's often not the protesters that do the damage.

There has been zero evidence for any widespread false flag violence during the #BLM/Antifa riots. There is no reason to think the creeps who attacked the Balthazar restaurant or who blocked streets in Chicago for "Bvby Diablo" are not true believers.
Or take Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman. Do you believe they were some sort of right wing agent provocateurs despite their history of left-wing activism?

#### Loren Pechtel

##### Super Moderator
Staff member
You realize that it's often not the protesters that do the damage.

There has been zero evidence for any widespread false flag violence during the #BLM/Antifa riots. There is no reason to think the creeps who attacked the Balthazar restaurant or who blocked streets in Chicago for "Bvby Diablo" are not true believers.
Or take Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman. Do you believe they were some sort of right wing agent provocateurs despite their history of left-wing activism?

We have multiple arrests of false-flag vandalism. And we have obvious patterns of protesters being followed by vandals.