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Read the news today, crapped my pants a little.

Where are you imagining this iron going?

Rust is basically a super rich iron ore and processing it back to iron is much, much easier than mining new ore. Even if all the iron is rusted away, it will still saturate lots of areas (surviving cities, towns, factories, shipyards, whatever), and even if it's dispersed by wind and water, that still leaves massive numbers of easily traceable seams of heavily enriched soil. Basically, every modern location that stores a lot of metal will be a useful mineral deposit.

Down the river to the sea and spread by the winds.

How long do you imagine it would take for erosion and corrosion to render the best preserved metal deposits in the ruin of a modern city less useful as a resource than pre-industrial accessible ore bodies were? Tens of years? Hundreds? Thousands? Tens of thousands?

What is your reasoning for your estimate? On what facts and figures is it based?

Bear in mind that a single modern ship can easily contain more iron than the annual iron production of the Roman Empire at its peak. The Eiffel Tower contains more iron than the entire Roman Empire produced in a month. The World Trade Centre contained approximately 200,000 metric tonnes of steel; the iron production of the Roman Empire was only around 85-90,000 tonnes per annum.

What proportion of, for example, the steel in just Manhattan Island today, would need to be dispersed, before the island was so depleted in iron and iron oxides as to not represent a resource the Romans would have drooled over? And how long would that much dispersal take to be achieved by corrosion and erosion?

Modern cities are huge concentrations of resources. Your claim is absurd.
 
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Some relevant update
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...onic-glide-vehicle-avangard-completes-testing
The development of a highly manoeuvrable system capable of travelling at high speeds makes the Avangard effectively impossible to intercept by any air defence system likely to be developed for several decades to come - with no existing platform currently capable of intercepting even basic unmanoeuvring hypersonic munitions at relatively low speeds of Mach 5. The Avangard is estimated to have a speed of between Mach 20 and Mach 25.
Apparently Putin was not bluffing about that thing. Mach 28 is mind boggling. I guess MAD is more alive than ever now
 
Some relevant update
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...onic-glide-vehicle-avangard-completes-testing
The development of a highly manoeuvrable system capable of travelling at high speeds makes the Avangard effectively impossible to intercept by any air defence system likely to be developed for several decades to come - with no existing platform currently capable of intercepting even basic unmanoeuvring hypersonic munitions at relatively low speeds of Mach 5. The Avangard is estimated to have a speed of between Mach 20 and Mach 25.
Apparently Putin was not bluffing about that thing. Mach 28 is mind boggling. I guess MAD is more alive than ever now
I view the military complex the same as AI when it comes to producing a human extinction event. We were very lucky when Reagan bought us some time but sadly there is nothing more to blow up in the middle east worth the $trillion budget. So Russia has to be the new threat come hell or high water. Mueller is in place to make sure Trump will not stand in the way. Sadly, many even on this board or so crazy with tweeting birds fluttering in their head over Trump...that they can not see he is the ONLY thing standing in the way of the military complex right now.

And the military complex is just like the terminator. It shows no remorse or fear. All it cares about is maintaining a constant stream of money.
 
Some relevant update
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...onic-glide-vehicle-avangard-completes-testing
The development of a highly manoeuvrable system capable of travelling at high speeds makes the Avangard effectively impossible to intercept by any air defence system likely to be developed for several decades to come - with no existing platform currently capable of intercepting even basic unmanoeuvring hypersonic munitions at relatively low speeds of Mach 5. The Avangard is estimated to have a speed of between Mach 20 and Mach 25.
Apparently Putin was not bluffing about that thing. Mach 28 is mind boggling. I guess MAD is more alive than ever now

How is that not a "first strike" weapon? Keeping in mind, of course, that a fucking hammer can be a "first strike" weapon so long as you are the one that uses it first.

ETA: Odd you didn't focus on the most obvious point from the OP source:

The false alert of 1995 would not have occurred if Russia had a reliable and working global space-based satellite early warning system. Russian analysts would have been able to observe that there were no US ballistic missile launches from the North Atlantic. The availability of such a system would have caused the initial alert to be called off within minutes or even more quickly.

Detailed analyses, initially stimulated by questions about why the alert went on for so long, showed that a specialized space-based Russian early warning system called Prognoz was then under development. Analysis of the Prognoz satellite constellation and of available Russian infrared sensor technologies indicated that even if the satellite system had been working, it would not have been able to provide surveillance of the North Atlantic. Today, Russia has stopped launching satellites into this constellation and has instead focused enormous resources exclusively into building a highly robust and redundant network of ground-based radars. It is now very clear that Russia’s extreme de-emphasis on satellite early warning systems and its extreme focus on building numerous, technologically varied ground-based radar warning systems is due to the lack of critical technologies needed to implement a space-based ballistic missile warning system.
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Under the veil of an otherwise-legitimate warhead life-extension program, the US military has quietly engaged in a vast expansion of the killing power of the most numerous warhead in the US nuclear arsenal: the W76, deployed on the Navy’s ballistic missile submarines. This improvement in kill power means that all US sea-based warheads now have the capability to destroy hardened targets such as Russian missile silos, a capability previously reserved for only the highest-yield warheads in the US arsenal.

So, not only would the smarter move be to develop (aka, steal) satellite-based early warning technology, but evidently the issue of our fuzing technology allowed us to take out hardened silos, where Russia supposedly kept most nukes and thus a critical component to any first strike scenario. But the Avangard system you just referenced above (including the other components mentioned in the piece itself if not in your quote) is anything but a stationary, hardened silo-type weapon, thus already rendering a "first strike" scenario against Russian silos obsolete.

Iow, we gained a heavier sledge hammer, while Putin was busy removing the need for a heavier sledge hammer.

And then, instead of pouring more resources into the most obvious defense against any first strike capability--i.e., satellite early warning--Putin has instead decided to double-down on far less efficient ground-based radar warning systems. Why, if, as you indicate, there is such a dire threat from our supposed "first strike" posturing?

Do Russian generals not have access to the internet the way you do?
 
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Some relevant update
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...onic-glide-vehicle-avangard-completes-testing
The development of a highly manoeuvrable system capable of travelling at high speeds makes the Avangard effectively impossible to intercept by any air defence system likely to be developed for several decades to come - with no existing platform currently capable of intercepting even basic unmanoeuvring hypersonic munitions at relatively low speeds of Mach 5. The Avangard is estimated to have a speed of between Mach 20 and Mach 25.
Apparently Putin was not bluffing about that thing. Mach 28 is mind boggling. I guess MAD is more alive than ever now
I view the military complex the same as AI when it comes to producing a human extinction event. We were very lucky when Reagan bought us some time but sadly there is nothing more to blow up in the middle east worth the $trillion budget. So Russia has to be the new threat come hell or high water. Mueller is in place to make sure Trump will not stand in the way. Sadly, many even on this board or so crazy with tweeting birds fluttering in their head over Trump...that they can not see he is the ONLY thing standing in the way of the military complex right now.

And the military complex is just like the terminator. It shows no remorse or fear. All it cares about is maintaining a constant stream of money.

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Some relevant update
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...onic-glide-vehicle-avangard-completes-testing
The development of a highly manoeuvrable system capable of travelling at high speeds makes the Avangard effectively impossible to intercept by any air defence system likely to be developed for several decades to come - with no existing platform currently capable of intercepting even basic unmanoeuvring hypersonic munitions at relatively low speeds of Mach 5. The Avangard is estimated to have a speed of between Mach 20 and Mach 25.
Apparently Putin was not bluffing about that thing. Mach 28 is mind boggling. I guess MAD is more alive than ever now

The problem is not that it is a first strike weapon. It is that such a weapon leaves much less room for careful thought if such a weapon is launched. It removes ability to counter a launch by a rogue general, and forces a general counter strike immediately. MAD still applies, but maybe not to a rogue and his accomplices. This is a foolish and destabilizing weapon. It means a rogue launch cannot be dealt with by US anti-missile systems, removing a major systems ability to deal with an error or rogue launch, forcing the US to a much more dangerous MAD approach.
 
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