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Go to 4 minutes in this video and then look up the ethnicity of the majority of people in WINEP and that may get you going hmm (ala Arsenio Hall)...



 
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...t-u-s-officials-over-explosives-used-n1017556

So today the US made accusations that the attachment was a limpet mine, a magnetic mine that would have been attached below the water line. They released a video of Iranians supposedly coming up to the ship to remove one of the mines, but that shows something that is projecting out that is clearly above the waterline. That is really odd.

Now the crew is contradicting US reports saying that something was flown into the side of the ship just before the explosion.

Very suspicious.

SLD
 
SLD said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...t-u-s-officials-over-explosives-used-n1017556

So today the US made accusations that the attachment was a limpet mine, a magnetic mine that would have been attached below the water line. They released a video of Iranians supposedly coming up to the ship to remove one of the mines, but that shows something that is projecting out that is clearly above the waterline. That is really odd.

Now the crew is contradicting US reports saying that something was flown into the side of the ship just before the explosion.

Very suspicious.

SLD
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We may never know the truth on the attack, but it is possible for the US to be wrong on the weapon used, and it still be Iran that did the attack. The US has a hard on to blame Iran for pretty much anything/everything in the region, so they may have rushed a story line that didn't fit the emergent facts. And Iran is certainly being squeezed hard by US sanctions. Iran has used the threat to disrupt oil flows out of the straight before, so it is hard to say either way.
 
Derec said:
Elixir said:
Derec said:
It was incredibly stupid of Iran to do this.
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Or maybe you need a gullibility award for swallowing the "Iran good, US bad" nonsense so thoroughly that you think the Iranian theocracy would not do something like this.
Or would that be "useful idiot" award?
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Why should anyone trust the Trump Administration after all the lies that they've told? Regarding this attack, it was first reported that Iran attacked the barges with torpedos! How can a torpedo hit a ship above the water line! Next we see Iranian's withdrawing mines. Certainly mines didn't do it. They were missiles. I think that it's far more likely that someone hit the ships with missiles, then Iran withdrew the mines so that they wouldn't be blamed. But it's a very fishy to me...
 
Remember the Maine.

Right now, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is in Tehran.

Japan’s leader is meeting with Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in an attempt to rekindle nuclear disarmament talks – something the Trump administration is adamantly opposed to. And Trump himself said so on Twitter again this morning.

And suddenly there are these attacks on tankers ...

...carrying Japanese cargo?

That's damned coincidental, if it is indeed a coincidence.

But if it's Iran, as our leaders say it must be, and it's not a coincidence, then what's the message?

Japan isn't threatened by Iran.

Iran isn’t threatened by Japan.

Japan is currently in Iran attempting to negotiate a future equitable to Iran and Iran blows up cargo destined for Japan?

I repeat, what's the message here? Don’t try to negotiate with Iran? Is that the message? Because that message seems like it would be a lot more likely to come from somebody other than Iran.

Somebody who doesn’t want Japan and Iran talking.

Somebody who doesn’t want Iran talking to anybody.

Unless, you know, it is just a damned odd coincidence.
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Derec said:
Or would that be "useful idiot" award?
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You get them both. Uszeful idiot and the venerable Hook, Line & Sinker.
Some morons will swallow anything that is spoon-fed to them by the likes of John Bolton or Donald Trump.
Reasonable people would require evidence - not contradictory stories about above-water mines.
 
Obviously the US sanctions are working - The Iranians can't even buy fireworks anymore. If they could, then they would know that you should never try to retrieve a firework that failed to go off.

Seriously, what kind of half-assed mine fails to explode; and the mine having failed, what kind of crazy fools would go collect the unexploded device and put it in their small boat?

A limpet mine isn't exactly advanced technology. Even an Iranian should be able to build one that goes 'bang' when you want it to.

And even an Iranian should know that you are meant to place them below the waterline.
 
ZiprHead said:
So, the mine story isn't getting traction. Time to up the game.

Iranians fired missile at US drone prior to tanker attack, US official says
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Well, if they are threatening the lives of our brave pilotless drone pilots, then that's very serious indeed.

Fortunately, the US Government has always allowed foreign powers from the other side of the world to operate drones and to place other military hardware close to the continental US. I remember as recently as 1962, they accepted that Cuban sovereignty meant that the Russians could put any weapons systems they liked into the island, as they passed through international waters to get them there.

So at least there's no hypocrisy at work. I am sure the US Navy wouldn't molest an Iranian drone just off the US coast, over international waters.
 
I don't know who the bad guys are in this one.

When we invaded Iraq we were the bad guys because they certainly didn't have any WMDs. But we could get away with it so we did anyway because americans are a bunch of gullible assholes when it comes to this stuff.

But the equation is different here. Iran could do serious shit, they're not disarmed like Iraq.

Personally I think the Iranians are the ones who did the shit until I see better evidence that they didn't. That video is pretty damning. I want to know everything about that video I can. it could have been collected years ago, just like all those videos we had of Saddam's WMDs.

Again, americans are gullible, flag-waving, xenophobic, frightened assholes for the most part.
 
T.G.G. Moogly said:
I don't know who the bad guys are in this one.

When we invaded Iraq we were the bad guys because they certainly didn't have any WMDs. But we could get away with it so we did anyway because americans are a bunch of gullible assholes when it comes to this stuff.

But the equation is different here. Iran could do serious shit, they're not disarmed like Iraq.

Personally I think the Iranians are the ones who did the shit until I see better evidence that they didn't. That video is pretty damning. I want to know everything about that video I can. it could have been collected years ago, just like all those videos we had of Saddam's WMDs.

Again, americans are gullible, flag-waving, xenophobic, frightened assholes for the most part.
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We are far, far more of a danger to world peace than Iran. We believe we have a unilateral right to invade any other country at any time it suits our interests, and we have used that supposed right it dozens of times over the last few decades alone, racking up millions dead. Hundreds of times if you consider drone violations a military act, and I do. Note how just this morning we casually condemned Iran for trying to shoot down one of our drones when it had no business whatsoever approaching one of their vessels in the first place. Those things are armed, you know. We are an armed sense of entitlement that makes decisions primarily on the basis of profit. If for whatever reason we're looking for a violent, dangerous nation that needs to be curbed lest the entire world decend into bloodshed, the first place we ought to look is in a mirror.

At the end of the day, Iran is not trying to provoke a war with us. They signed a peace treaty. We broke it.
 
T.G.G. Moogly said:
Personally I think the Iranians are the ones who did the shit until I see better evidence that they didn't.
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Read the link that James posted earlier. It simply doesn't make any sense for them to do this. The regime - not the "democratically elected" leaders, but the actual Supreme Ayatollah - is negotiating with the Japanese Prime Minister. Neither nation is girding for war with each other. There's no tension between them.

The US is treating this as just shy of an act of war, despite the fact that it wasn't a US ship, not a US cargo, not a US crew.

Granted, Iran does support some shit in the region. Hezbollah in Lebanon. Rebels in Yemen. The Shiites in Iraq. Attacking a Japanese ship? That doesn't fit the pattern.

The US using anything as a pretext to war? That fits.
 
You don't have to be a genius to understand Iran is doing some suspicious shit.

But you have to be a special type of moron to think the Trump administration, inspired by the likes of Bolton and Pompeo, have a chance in hell in making this situation better.
 
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