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We have seen how incensed Republicans have become over Critical Race Theory, which is seen as a left wing conspiracy that is even taught in our schools. Recently, we have seen the rise of Replacement Theory (aka 'Great Replacement'), which apparently was part of the inspiration for the Buffalo mass shooting. The idea is that the broad majority of white people is being eroded and replaced by immigrants and people of color. A recent poll by the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research showed that roughly a third of Americans believe some version of replacement theory.

If Republican legislatures can get together to prioritize and pass laws banning the teaching of Critical Race Theory in the schools, why don't they also get busy looking into whether Replacement Theory is also being taught and make sure that textbooks are banned if their content appears to support it? Or is that something that Democratic-controlled legislatures should be doing? After all, isn't it the job of state legislatures to make sure that schoolchildren aren't exposed to dangerous ideas? :Sarcasm:

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The 'great replacement' conspiracy theory isn't fringe anymore, it's mainstream

 

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In the USA, the birthrates of Hispanics and Blacks are higher than that for whites. If the birth rates of people of color continue to exceed that of white people, it is only a matter of time when people of color outnumber white people. This is not due to some conspiracy - it is simply a result of demographics and personal choices.
 

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I'd say there is some truth to it o. Obama said the USA should look like the rest of world. He created a diversity lottery immigration system that allowed people to et in who would not be normally be considered for immigration.

If a country is under repented get people form that country in.

There is antipathy and certainly hatred against whites from minorities.

Back in the 90s majorly Latino border schools were using radical texts from south of the border. Instead of the whites saying blacks should go back to Africa it was whites go back to Europe. Latinos rightfully own America.

While ugly and deplorable the white violent response is predictable.

I woud say there is an undercurrent among minorities of replacing whites. The demographic predictions say it will be Latinos who become the majority.

Were seeing the deconstruction of what was the American cultural foundation. Latins celebrate Cinco De Mayo in California schools. There was a case when a student was told to take oof a shirt with an American flag on it on the day. It might offend Latinos.

As I see it we are heading towards a violent melt down. Not just racial and cultural. Wee just seeing the start of it as we become like third world countries where violent demonstrations are the norm.

Death thretas aginast COTUS and demonstraions outside judges' homes. An increasing rejection of accepting rule of law.
 

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When things actually happen, you can't call it a conspiracy theory.

Anyway, this type of social engineering has been occurring in other places, see the United Kingdom for example.
 

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The idea that minorities do not have their own bias and prejudice is political correctness at its worse and plain ignorance. The idea that there is not given to increasing minoritie in America is ignorance of human nature.

The current progessive mantra is diversity is wondeful with no negatve side effects. The implcayion is without whites verybody will nake nice and get along.

If you are young today you will see if America avoids a meltdown 50 years from now. I had my life. The future is yours such as it will be. You can think all is well and will be well if it helps yiu sleep at night.

For several years in Seattle I witnessed the violence and demonstrations and the rhetoric. We have a city council member an immigrant from India who openly wants to tear down the system and replace it with her personal vision of a just democracy. She is popular in her district and defeated a recall vote.

I am an independent centrist and I reject extremes on both sides. The media does empasize the right wing extremists and gives a pass to the left wind extremists. No matter how extreme an ideology or view from the left it gets soft retirement. Especially on NPR.

It is hearasy to consder there are issues won the left as there are on the right.

From Freethought I try to avoid -isms and -ologies looking at issued from observation without bias.

Unlike many arnchair liberals I grew up around blacks and Latinos and have converstaions on race with blacks in my building from my generation. If yiu actually taled iwth regular blacks and Latinos person to person yiur views might change.

You amy be surprised to find American blacks can have isuues with black African and Latino immigrants.
 

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Biden 2015:

“An unrelenting stream of immigration, nonstop, nonstop. Folks like me who were Caucasian, of European descent for the first time in 2017 will be in an absolute minority in the United States of America, absolute minority. Fewer than 50 percent of the people in America from then and on will be White European stock. That’s not a bad thing. That’s as a source of our strength.”

 

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In the USA, the birthrates of Hispanics and Blacks are higher than that for whites. If the birth rates of people of color continue to exceed that of white people, it is only a matter of time when people of color outnumber white people. This is not due to some conspiracy - it is simply a result of demographics and personal choices.
Death rates for Hispanic and blacks are higher than for whites as are from before birth onward. Life expectancy is less for non-whites compared with whites, with the exception of Asians.


 

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‘Great replacement theory’ is ignorant both broadly and narrowly

Let’s quickly dispatch with the purported plot at the heart of the conspiracy theory. It, too, can be segmented into degrees. One speculates that some secretive cabal of elites is drawing immigrants to the United States to get their votes. It’s often framed in anti-Semitic terms, in part because it’s popular among neo-Nazis. There’s no point in walking through a specific debunk since anyone who adheres to it will not be influenced by rational argument.
While President Biden’s view of immigration is certainly less hostile than Trump’s, the administration kept in place a rule, over objections from key Democratic constituencies, that allowed the government to quickly deport people who crossed the border. Vice President Harris explicitly told Central American migrants not to come to the United States.
As you might expect, the federal government tracks this data. In 2020, 625,400 people were naturalized as U.S. citizens. (Of those newly naturalized immigrants, about 1 in 8 were from Mexico.) That’s compared with 3.6 million babies born in the country — native-born Americans all. That’s a ratio of 5.8 native-born babies to 1 new American from naturalization. If we look only at those of voting age (since you must be both a citizen and 18 to vote in federal elections), the gap is wider: In 2020, about 4.2 million U.S. residents turned 18.
 

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The "conspiracy" part of this is the idea that some group, e.g. liberal elitists or Democrats, are plotting to replace white people with minorities that don't share their "cultural values". The original idea of Great Replacement ("Grand Remplacement") came from the French right wing white zealot  Renaud Camus. What is wrong with the idea is not just that there is no conspiracy to do that, but that American culture is not just about white people or those of European ancestry. Racial, ethnic, and cultural diversity has always been very much a part of American culture, and egalitarianism--tolerant, fair, and equal treatment for everyone--has always been a goal of US constitutional government. So there is no actual "replacement" going on except in terms of superficial appearances. It doesn't matter what proportion of the population is light or dark-skinned in the future or even what language they speak.

To say that there is truth to Replacement Theory is essentially to buy into the myth that there is some kind effort to change core values that aren't really core values of America, let alone France, which has its own issue with domestic and immigrant minorities.
 

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I'm not getting why this would be a bad thing even if it were true. What's so special about whites that they should enjoy some sort of special protection against demographic change? It's just melanin. Darker skin tones are better adapted for the hot, often cloudless American climate anyway.
 

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I'm not getting why this would be a bad thing even if it were true. What's so special about whites that they should enjoy some sort of special protection against demographic change? It's just melanin. Darker skin tones are better adapted for the hot, often cloudless American climate anyway.
They're afraid they would be treated the way they want to treat minorities and immigrants. In other words, projection.
 

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I'm not getting why this would be a bad thing even if it were true. What's so special about whites that they should enjoy some sort of special protection against demographic change? It's just melanin. Darker skin tones are better adapted for the hot, often cloudless American climate anyway.

I don't think that the right wing zealots are concerned about skin color more than they are with the "values" that they stereotypically associate with skin color. This may seem like a subtle distinction, but I can't help remembering how DW Griffith's infamously racist film,  Birth of a Nation, made a huge distinction between good people of color and bad ones. The good ones hid and protected white people from rampaging bad ones. IOW, the "good" ones were seen as not threatening to the status quo. Black supporters were always welcomed, highly praised, and prominently displayed behind the podium at Trump rallies.
 
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In the USA, the birthrates of Hispanics and Blacks are higher than that for whites. If the birth rates of people of color continue to exceed that of white people, it is only a matter of time when people of color outnumber white people. This is not due to some conspiracy - it is simply a result of demographics and personal choices.
But moreover, does it really matter?

I once had a friend bring up the idea of "replacement" on a late night walk. I disagreed vehemently that it mattered at all.

It just isn't important.

It's not like I don't have my own culture and life and madness that is mine, and having diverse neighbors doesn't take that from me.

As I look at it though, there is an issue in the middle of all of this owing to religion.

It has been proposed on these forums that religion is more about community than the dogma. The church just provides a convenient central point, source of funds for the community activities, direction, and only secondarily the regular brainwashings to both support that community and often to look down on everyone outside their specific church.

When smaller communities have more diverse members who, among them, cleave to more and different churches, I would expect this to cause friction within a community.

It is probably the sort of tribal nature that we evolved around since long before language.

The fact that a community might move from having 1500 members of 4 churches, to be 1700 members with 8 churches means the community is functionally splintered.

I don't expect any of these fundiegelicalwhateverthefucks to understand a lick of that. I expect all their understanding of it comes from their hindbrain that developed an instinct for tribal dynamics ala racism.

By the demographics shift, their community literally gets smaller because the churches of the communities are isolated and competitive.
 

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I'm not getting why this would be a bad thing even if it were true. What's so special about whites that they should enjoy some sort of special protection against demographic change? It's just melanin. Darker skin tones are better adapted for the hot, often cloudless American climate anyway.

I don't think that the right wing zealots are concerned about skin color more than they are with the "values" that they stereotypically associate with skin color. This may seem like a subtle distinction, but I can't help remembering how DW Griffith's infamously racist film,  Birth of a Nation, made a huge distinction between good people of color and bad ones. The good ones hid and protected white people from rampaging bad ones. IOW, the "good" ones were seen as not threatening to the status quo. Black supporters were always welcomed, highly praised, and prominently displayed behind the podium at Trump rallies.
If the "values" are those expressed in Birth of a Nation, I'm not concerned about saving them. In fact, I'd rather not.
 

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I'm not getting why this would be a bad thing even if it were true. What's so special about whites that they should enjoy some sort of special protection against demographic change? It's just melanin. Darker skin tones are better adapted for the hot, often cloudless American climate anyway.
They're afraid they would be treated the way they want to treat minorities and immigrants. In other words, projection.
They should be afraid. And start making friends, instead of ramping up the cruelty.
 

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US will become minority white in 2045In the USA, the birthrates of Hispanics and Blacks are higher than that for whites. If the birth rates of people of color continue to exceed that of white people, it is only a matter of time when people of color outnumber white people. This is not due to some conspiracy - it is simply a result of demographics and personal choices.
Death rates for Hispanic and blacks are higher than for whites as are from before birth onward. Life expectancy is less for non-whites compared with whites, with the exception of Asians.


Census projections but people of color in a majority by 2045 (US will become minority white in 2045 )
 

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One thing that never makes sense to me is, where is the ‘replacement’ part? If I have 5 white people in a room, then bring in 5 black people, sure the white people make up a smaller percentage of the room, but all 5 of those people are still there. None have been ‘replaced’ in any way. Should it be called the Great White People Who Can’t Share Theory? Great Petulant People Who Need To Be The Center Of Attention Theory?

also all those people who love their European heritage, complaining about Latinos moving in and speaking Spanish…. Are they unaware that Spain is part of Europe?

There is antipathy and certainly hatred against racist assholes from minorities.
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One thing that never makes sense to me is, where is the ‘replacement’ part? If I have 5 white people in a room, then bring in 5 black people, sure the white people make up a smaller percentage of the room, but all 5 of those people are still there. None have been ‘replaced’ in any way. Should it be called the Great White People Who Can’t Share Theory? Great Petulant People Who Need To Be The Center Of Attention Theory?

also all those people who love their European heritage, complaining about Latinos moving in and speaking Spanish…. Are they unaware that Spain is part of Europe?

There is antipathy and certainly hatred against racist assholes from minorities.
Fify

Remember the Charlotte white supremacist rally, where they chanted "Jews will not replace us!" That didn't mean that Jews would become more numerous, just that they would somehow gain socially advantageous position and status formerly enjoyed by non-jews. You hear similar types of arguments when whites express resentment about blacks taking the place of qualified whites for jobs or college admission. Another example would be women taking jobs and getting promoted in businesses where males traditionally dominate. It isn't just physical replacement. It is replacement on the perception of social status, access to services, etc. Another example would be Spanish speakers or Chinese speakers replacing English speakers for goods, services, jobs, etc.
 

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No, they meant that Jews like Emmanuel Celler, who co-authored the Hart-Celler Act in 1965, will be prevented (not gonna happen) from pushing up non white immigration levels.
 

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No, they meant that Jews like Emmanuel Celler, who co-authored the Hart-Celler Act in 1965, will be prevented (not gonna happen) from pushing up non white immigration levels.

You don't specify, but I'll assume you were replying to my post and not someone else's. I don't know how you came to conclude that those people chanting "Jews will not replace us" were thinking specifically of Emmanuel Celler, since they were chanting the plural form "Jews", but I take you to mean that an expanded version of the chant would be something like "A Jew will not replace us with immigrants!" And maybe they were thinking that any Jew in Celler's position would want to "replace" them by opening the floodgates to immigrants. You may be more knowledgeable about how their thought processes were working in that particular rally. The point is that the concept of replacement had to do with pushing down whites in favor of non-white immigrants. So we can at least agree on that, right?
 

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i do get a huge kick out of how those screaming the most about replacement theory... which is necessarily predicated on the idea that A. whites currently have an advantage over not-whites, and B. that advantage will be threatened if whites don't physically outnumber not-whites... are the same people screaming that reverse racism as oppressed white people to the point where as an ethnicity they are poverty stricken refugees in their own country.
 

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Being a "minority group" was never just about numbers, but about political and cultural under-representation. The idea that whites will lose our dominant position in American politics without taking the whole damn system with us seems mirthlessly laughable to me, whatever the population will be in 2045. But again, I see no reason personally why I should be afraid of being governed by non-whites anyway. If anyone listened to me, most of the country would be reverted to indigenous governance. Which would not be a replacement so much as a rebalancing.

Actually that's what this is partially about, isn't it? Europeans "acquired" the continent largely by outbreeding and overwhelming its sovereign governments, and thjeir fair-skinned descendants now fear the same happening to them? That happened under very particular circumstances unlikely to recur, though.
 

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i do get a huge kick out of how those screaming the most about replacement theory... which is necessarily predicated on the idea that A. whites currently have an advantage over not-whites, and B. that advantage will be threatened if whites don't physically outnumber not-whites... are the same people screaming that reverse racism as oppressed white people to the point where as an ethnicity they are poverty stricken refugees in their own country.
It is also based on 1) the knowledge that there is inequality in the country, 2) they have no interest in fixing inequality, 3) they expect that if minorities take over they will create a system of inequality in the other direction.
 

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In the USA, the birthrates of Hispanics and Blacks are higher than that for whites. If the birth rates of people of color continue to exceed that of white people, it is only a matter of time when people of color outnumber white people. This is not due to some conspiracy - it is simply a result of demographics and personal choices.

Who woulda thunk they'd push so hard to overturn Roe V Wade when Hispanics and Blacks have more abortions than whites. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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I'd say there is some truth to it o. Obama said the USA should look like the rest of world. He created a diversity lottery immigration system that allowed people to et in who would not be normally be considered for immigration.

If a country is under repented get people form that country in.

There is antipathy and certainly hatred against whites from minorities.
The word you are looking for is mistrust. And after 12 years under the GOP under W and Trump, can see where that is coming from.
Back in the 90s majorly Latino border schools were using radical texts from south of the border. Instead of the whites saying blacks should go back to Africa it was whites go back to Europe. Latinos rightfully own America.

While ugly and deplorable the white violent response is predictable.
Wow! That is about as ugly a statement as can be stated, it sounds similar to asking a battered wife, "What did you say to him?"
I woud say there is an undercurrent among minorities of replacing whites. The demographic predictions say it will be Latinos who become the majority.

Were seeing the deconstruction of what was the American cultural foundation.
American culture? What, eating beef and waving flags is a culture?
Latins celebrate Cinco De Mayo in California schools. There was a case when a student was told to take oof a shirt with an American flag on it on the day. It might offend Latinos.
In the US we celebrate Cinco de Mayo in places, Ocktoberfest, Irishfest, Italian Fest, ...
As I see it we are heading towards a violent melt down. Not just racial and cultural. Wee just seeing the start of it as we become like third world countries where violent demonstrations are the norm.
Violence in the US is still near records lows, but some need to have that fear of the boogie man under the bed.
Death thretas aginast COTUS and demonstraions outside judges' homes. An increasing rejection of accepting rule of law.
You mean women needing to drive 1,000 miles to get an abortion?
 

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In the USA, the birthrates of Hispanics and Blacks are higher than that for whites. If the birth rates of people of color continue to exceed that of white people, it is only a matter of time when people of color outnumber white people. This is not due to some conspiracy - it is simply a result of demographics and personal choices.

Who woulda thunk they'd push so hard to overturn Roe V Wade when Hispanics and Blacks have more abortions than whites. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I know. I've been laughing about that for weeks.

I was going to start a thread on this topic but was too concerned about how crazy it would get. So, I'm going to try and gift a few articles that I read about it. The first one is written by Bret Stephens, a decent conservative, who despite not agreeing with the Democratic ideology, has been voting Dem because of Trump's negative influence on the country. Just wanted to give some background on Bret before I give the link. Bret mentions that the US has frequently had changes in demographics, and he describes them in his opinion piece. Read the entire piece and if interested, give some feedback.

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In the broadest sense, what goes by the name “replacement theory” — the idea that American elites are conspiring to replaceso-called real Americans with immigrants from poor countries — is merely a description of the American way, enshrined in tradition, codified by law, promoted by successive generations of American leaders from Washington and Lincoln to Kennedy and Reagan.
There have been four, arguably five, great replacements in American history.
The first was the worst and the cruelest: the destruction — through war, slaughter, ill-dealing and wholesale expulsion — of Native Americans by European migrants. The same far-right true believers who now scream about their own purported replacement by the non-indigenous tend to be the most indignant when reminded that at least some of their ancestors were once the replacements themselves.
The second was a religious replacement of Protestants, who now number fewer than half of all Americans. It began at least as far back as 1655, when the Dutch West India Company rejected a petition by Peter Stuyvesant to expel Jews from New Amsterdam. (Doing so, the company wrote, would be “somewhat unreasonable and unfair.”) It accelerated in the 19th and 20th centuries, mainly thanks to the mass migration of Catholics from Europe and, later, Latin America. It continues with the arrival of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and others, along with a more general loss of faith.
The third was the ethnic replacement of the English. With their arrival in North America came indentured servants from Ireland and continental Europe, then immigrants from Germany, France and Ireland, later from places ever farther east. Willa Cather’s “My Ántonia,” the American prairie classic, is a story of settlers from Bohemia and other places in Central Europe, who soon became the backbone of the American Midwest.
 

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I believe that racial balances are dynamic and this is normal.

This goes on in all countries and has been in progress since we became a nation.

There is noting sinister about it.

 

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I'd say there is some truth to it o. Obama said the USA should look like the rest of world. He created a diversity lottery immigration system that allowed people to et in who would not be normally be considered for immigration.

Bush, not Obama.

And that's HW, not GW. The Diversity Visa Program took effect in 1990.
No, no, it's easy to tell which president changed a law, rule or regulation. If you don't like that change, it was Obama. If you do, it wasn't.
 

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'Replacement theory' depends entirely on the questionable premise that other white people aren't just as determined to eradicate fascist nutters as are members of various minorities.

Never mind blacks, jews, latinos, or whoever else you are irrationally terrified by; If you subscribe to 'replacement theory', you'd better be scared shitless about being replaced by me. White, cis-male, monolingual anglophone me. I ain't your friend, and you don't have my support for your stupidity. I would happily take your job and your woman. You don't deserve them.
 

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The Irish and the Italians were not always considered to be "white." This was particularly true of the Italians, who were referred to once as "guineas." I suspect that, by the 2040's, many Hispanic people are going to be just part of the general "white" population. The United States is and always has been a nation of immigrants, though. Immigrants are a part of our national identity.
 

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Generally, I am rooted in both ancient Epicurean and ancient Pyrrhonist sentiments, although I am somewhat sympathetic toward the intentions behind ancient Cynicism.
Lets hope that when the white population becomes a minority that the new majority treats us better than we treated them.

I doubt it, Karma is a bitch.
I am not convinced that the more prosperous members of the Hispanic population will regard themselves as distinct from the "power class," though. Colorism is a bigger issue. In India, colorism is such a serious issue that some there bleach their skin white.
 

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US Europeans: We won't let immigrants replace us!
Rest of the world: But you are immigrants!
 

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The concept of replacement theory is mostly some bullshit cooked up by the radical right to try and convince their ignorant white supporters that the Democrats are planning on bringing in huge numbers of Hispanic folks to increase the percentage of Dem voters.

Of course, there are many errors in this. First of all, it usually takes about 10 years before a new immigrant can become a citizen, if that's what they want. Secondly, Hispanic citizens are starting to leave the Democratic Party and be more supportive of the Republicans. From what I've read it's at least partly if not largely due to social or cultural issues. Plus, the Democrats aren't trying to bring in huge numbers of immigrants. We've always been a nation of immigrants, but there is no secret plan to being in millions of immigrants that would vote illegally.

But, the Republicans are indoctrinating their supporters by using right wing news sites, into believing that the Democrats are somehow allowing non citizens to vote. Tucker Carlson, or as I prefer to call him, that Fucker Carlson, has gained a lot of believers in this nonsense. It's brought high ratings for the propaganda put out on Fox. Never under estimate the gullibility of a Fox fan.

I think most Democrats are open to more racial and cultural diversity. But, even when white people become a minority, they will still be the largest minority group in the country for a very long time.

I'm gifting another long article on this topic that explain some of the bullshit being put out there by some of the Republicans in Congress along with Carlson. I think the link can be accessed for 30 days.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/15/...H69R16jWGeZ_fRo9DCkH2HYK9Er0nw&smid=url-share

Three shootings, three different targets — but all linked by one sprawling, ever-mutating belief now commonly known as replacement theory. At the extremes of American life, replacement theory — the notion that Western elites, sometimes manipulated by Jews, want to “replace” and disempower white Americans — has become an engine of racist terror, helping inspire a wave of mass shootings in recent years and fueling the 2017 right-wing rally in Charlottesville, Va., that erupted in violence.

By his own account, the Buffalo suspect, Payton S. Gendron, followed a lonelier path to radicalization, immersing himself in replacement theory and other kinds of racist and antisemitic content easily found on internet forums, and casting Black Americans, like Hispanic immigrants, as “replacers” of white Americans. Yet in recent months, versions of the same ideas, sanded down and shorn of explicitly anti-Black and antisemitic themes, have become commonplace in the Republican Party — spoken aloud at congressional hearings, echoed in Republican campaign advertisements and embraced by a growing array of right-wing candidates and media personalities.

I have no problem with the country becoming more ethnically, culturally and racially diverse. Diversity is a positive imo. But, the Republicans, especially those furthest to the right are using this to manipulate their ignorant base. It's been done in the past, and sadly, it's being used again to scare people who fear being a minority.

The idea that Black citizens are invaders is totally insane, since their ancestors were forced here to be enslaved. African Americans have been a part of the US long before most of us who have Northern European ancestors. So, who's replacing who? That just shows how insane this idea is and how horrific the hatred toward our Black citizens can be. The same can be said of Mexicans, since 10 states were once part of Mexico, before they became part of the US.
 

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So Whites replaced Latinos and Native Americans in the 19th Century. That was all accomplished using force. That was a mission from God, "Manifest Destiny".

And now they are worried that Latinos somehow will replace White people. But Latinos don't have their own military. To call this paranoia would be to compliment it. It is flat out racism.
 

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So Whites replaced Latinos and Native Americans in the 19th Century. That was all accomplished using force. That was a mission from God, "Manifest Destiny".

And now they are worried that Latinos somehow will replace White people. But Latinos don't have their own military. To call this paranoia would be to compliment it. It is flat out racism.
Many turn to hate as an alternative to examining their own conscience.

Some people hate you for what they have done to you.

It is ironic but has a ruthless logic to it. Naturally, if you destroy someone's life, it will be harder for that person to live indeorndently, you would think, so that person might need more support than others. The person that is desperate for an alternative to acknowledging guilt may argue that their erstwhile victim is a "leech" or a "mocher" or a "welfare queen."

But then that person does well and survives well independently for cultural reasons. You might imagine that that would appease hateful individuals that might otherwise see those people as a burden, but you would be wrong. Instead, this odd resilience can inspire jealousy, and again, this jealousy is a more palatable alternstive to examination of one's own conscience.

The idea of those people being better can even manifest as fear, therefore fear of being "replaced."

I say, instead of being afraid of people that can thrive in spite of adversity, we ought to steal their ideas and become stronger through synthesis.

But I am a little weird.
 

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Word to yo mutha. Can I? Pretty please?

Edit: I'll gladly exchange Ben Shapiro for Alexandra Wilson. But the UK wouldn't accept that trade because of an obvious difference in value.
 

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Anyway, this type of social engineering has been occurring in other places, see the United Kingdom for example.

Let me guess you care about social engineering when it affects white people but brown people dealing with it since this country was founded was no cause for alarm.

To me, it doesn't matter the color of the skin of people at all. It does seem extremely important to the people that get involved with social engineering. I look at the fad of transgender and woke politics as a form of social engineering.
 

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I could be wrong about this, but where is the correct version of this chant?

"You will not replace us!"

Until I see the proof, I believe this is the correct version.
I.e., the words were not "Jews will not replace us!" But rather, "You will not replace us!" "You" not "Jews" and someone is distorting what these protesters are really complaining about. Here's one video of protesters:
and the words here are "You will not replace us" -- "You" and not "Jews"




Copernicus (#21 May 17): Remember the Charlotte white supremacist rally, where they chanted "Jews will not replace us!" That didn't mean that Jews would become more numerous, just that they would somehow gain socially advantageous position and status . . .
etc.

I'm skeptical that the above is the correct words that the protesters were saying. I'm suspicious that a more normal protest (not antisemitic) is what's happening, and it's being distorted. The real protest is against employers who hire cheap labor, especially immigrants. Also against foreign imports and globalism.

I wasn't there, but I saw something on the news, showing the crowd of chanters, and what I heard was "You will not replace us."

How can it be confirmed what the real words were.

The phrase "Jews will not replace us" really makes no sense. Even for an antisemite it makes no sense.

But the phrase "You will not replace us" refers to workers being replaced by cheap labor, especially being replaced by foreign labor and immigrant labor. This version of the chant expresses what millions of Americans are whining about, including both the Trumpsters and Bernie Sanders fanatics, and the "You" being addressed is the dirty capitalist pig employers trying to increase their profits by reducing their labor cost, which is good for the economy, for the benefit of all consumers. They have been replacing less competitive workers for decades, even centuries -- replacing them not only by cheap labor but also by machines, and labor union fanatics and workers rights crusaders have condemned employers for doing this.

Except for this hate against employers doing the right thing, competing in the economy, there would be no "replacement theory" condemning anyone and fearing immigrants or minorities or others.

What seems to be happening is that there are many workers who are afraid of being replaced, because there are others who will do the same job at a lower wage level, and in their paranoia to keep the wage level up they go on a rampage against any scapegoat that is noticeable -- i.e., against mostly immigrants and foreign imports or foreign labor which competes with them. And liberals/progressives notice this flaw in their economic theories, that it encourages paranoid workers to scapegoat someone other than the employers. So progressives/liberals are distorting these protests into something purely racist rather than the more normal hate against employers.

The primary fear is that of the uncompetitive worker who perceives he has a Right to his job, as his property, and that it is an injustice to him if he is replaced by another worker who can do the same job at lower cost. Or in some cases, by a machine.

But my question is: Where is the clear evidence that these shouting chanting protesters were saying "Jews will not replace us!" and that they were not saying the words "You will not replace us!"

Though I could be wrong, since I did not interview these protesters, I suspect that the word was "You" and not "Jews". And further, if these protesters could be interviewed and asked what their complaint was, I suspect their complaint would be mainly about immigrants and foreign cheap labor replacing them because of the dirty employers who are unpatriotic and greedy and callous toward the working class.

I would like to know if I'm mistaken, but where is an accurate quote of the chanters, telling us for sure what the wording is?

And were these protesters interviewed and asked who they're afraid of, who is replacing them? and replacing them IN WHAT WAY? -- WHAT IS THE REPLACEMENT object or person being put in their place? Everyone is talking ABOUT these protesters, but what are the protesters themselves saying? Who is interviewing the protesters and asking them specifically what they're afraid of? I suspect that their ideas are mostly about economics rather than about race or Jews, and that their strongest hate is against the employers who are replacing them in order to save on labor cost.

And finally, lets' tell the truth: YOU SHOULD BE REPLACED by your employer if there is someone or something which can do your job at lower cost. That's the bottom-line replacement that is going on, and it's good to be replaced by whatever can do that function at lower cost. And American workers (or British or French etc.) should stop their whining and being pandered to by Bernie Sanders and other demagogues and accept the fact that their value is lower if they can easily be replaced. And that's mainly what these protesters were chanting about and what they have been misled about, by demagogues like Trump and other China-bashing politicians and nativists who tell them their job should be protected from those damn foreigners and immigrants who are inferior to them but are being hired by the dirty capitalist corporations who are putting "PROFITS BEFORE PEOPLE."

Someone needs to interview those protesters themselves, so we can hear it from their lips, instead of always getting only the interpretation of others who are painting a different picture they want us to see. Where is a reporter who took 1 or 2 protesters aside and asked them these questions?
 

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I enjoyed that read up until the part about it being a rally about immigrants replacing workers. I thought that one was about a confederate statue being removed. :ROFLMAO:
 
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