Replacement Theory

[AthenaAwakened]

You do know, we made up race, right? And borders, we made those up too.

 

[Copernicus]

Lumpenproletariat, you are right that most of the time, the chant was "You will not replace us", because it was primarily a protest against African Americans replacing whites. However, the chant also morphed into "Jews will not replace us", and that is not only clear from some audio clips, but it was noticed and talked about by others.

For example, see:

When white nationalists chant their weird slogans, what do they mean?​

• “You Will Not Replace Us!” This slogan was coined from a statement by Nathan Damigo, founder of the white-nationalist campus group Identity Evropa, who retorted to an anti-Donald Trump “He will not divide us” campaign by actor Shia LeBeouf on social media: “Shia LeBeouf, you will not replace us with your globalism.” The chant is closely related to the white-nationalist “White Genocide” meme, reflective of their fears that white people and white culture are under attack from multiculturalism and nonwhite races. According to the Anti-Defamation League, the slogan began appearing on white-nationalist flyers and banners in May, and has spread widely since then. (At times during the first Charlottesville march, the chant morphed into “Jews Will Not Replace Us!”)

 

[bilby]

Lumpenproletariat, you are right that most of the time, the chant was "You will not replace us", because it was primarily a protest against African Americans replacing whites. However, the chant also morphed into "Jews will not replace us", and that is not only clear from some audio clips, but it was noticed and talked about by others.

For example, see:

When white nationalists chant their weird slogans, what do they mean?​

• “You Will Not Replace Us!” This slogan was coined from a statement by Nathan Damigo, founder of the white-nationalist campus group Identity Evropa, who retorted to an anti-Donald Trump “He will not divide us” campaign by actor Shia LeBeouf on social media: “Shia LeBeouf, you will not replace us with your globalism.” The chant is closely related to the white-nationalist “White Genocide” meme, reflective of their fears that white people and white culture are under attack from multiculturalism and nonwhite races. According to the Anti-Defamation League, the slogan began appearing on white-nationalist flyers and banners in May, and has spread widely since then. (At times during the first Charlottesville march, the chant morphed into “Jews Will Not Replace Us!”)

You can save a lot of time by not reading anything Lumpen writes that is more than a few lines long.

I have noticed that the amount of words he uses is directly proportional to how likely he is to be completely and obviously wrong; Indeed, I strongly suspect that the less confident he is, the more words he uses, in an effort to persuade himself that he has actually thought things through.

 

[Gospel]

I think I just spotted a personal attack

 

[Gospel]

The immigrants replacing American workers is an interesting take though. I know that's a grievance amongst conservatives. And I do agree with the sentiment that if someone else will do the job cheaper, corporations will higher them. It's just how capitalism works.

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

. . . a rally about immigrants replacing workers. I thought that one was about a confederate statue being removed.

Maybe it was both.

What did they mean when they chanted: "You will not replace us!" That was about the statue? What does their replacement have to do with the statue?

you are right that most of the time, the chant was "You will not replace us", because it was primarily a protest against African Americans replacing whites. However, the chant also morphed into "Jews will not replace us", and that is not only clear from some audio clips, but it was noticed and talked about by others.

For example, see:

When white nationalists chant their weird slogans, what do they mean?​

• “You Will Not Replace Us!” This slogan was coined from a statement by Nathan Damigo, founder of the white-nationalist campus group Identity Evropa, who retorted to an anti-Donald Trump “He will not divide us” campaign by actor Shia LeBeouf on social media: “Shia LeBeouf, you will not replace us with your globalism.” The chant is closely related to the white-nationalist “White Genocide” meme, reflective of their fears that white people and white culture are under attack from multiculturalism and nonwhite races. "According to the Anti-Defamation League, the slogan began appearing on white-nationalist flyers and banners in May, and has spread widely since then. (At times during the first Charlottesville march, the chant morphed into “Jews Will Not Replace Us!”)

Your above quote confirms my suspicion, though maybe I'm not reading the above correctly. It seems to say that one of these protesters, or their spokesperson, said "You will not replace us with your globalism." That is a Trumpist slogan against the replacement of American workers by foreign cheap labor, or by immigrant labor. Not necessarily about racism or Antisemitism. I see your "White" and "non-White" language above was all from someone other than the protesters. You have no quote from the protesters themselves saying they want to protect the White race, or are against non-Whites? or about protecting Whites from being replaced?

In any case, we don't have the correct meaning of this slogan, or the sentiment of the protesters, until someone interviews them directly, instead of just quoting from their political enemies or critics. Nevermind the Anti-Defamation League's interpretation of it. Tell us what those protesters themselves claim, or what they claim is the replacement that is going on.

When some reporter finally does that, at one of these rallies, I think what we'll find out is that the protesters are mainly concerned about being replaced as workers, i.e., being replaced by foreign labor or by immigrant labor, and believing it is immoral for employers to replace higher-paid workers with cheap labor, or by workers who are not of "our kind" but outsiders who don't belong here.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It is really sad how we managed to take a bunch of flaming tiki torch carrying middle class white people's message out of context. I feel really silly how their message was really about economic sustainability for American workers.

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

It is really sad how we managed to take a bunch of flaming tiki torch carrying middle class white people's message out of context. I feel really silly how their message was really about economic sustainability for American workers.

But why don't you (or why doesn't someone) just ask those torch-carrying protesters what they mean when they complain about being replaced? replaced by what? or by whom?

Are you afraid of what their answer might be?

The loudest shriekingest paranoid complaints against being replaced have always been those of uncompetitive workers whining about being replaced by machines, or by cheap labor (e.g. by "scabs" etc.). These complaints have led to riots and shootings and massacres. In England they even ended up executing a bunch of such protesters, Luddites, who did too much disruption and machine-smashing because they were being replaced.

How do we know these "replacement" protesters today are not being driven by a similar mental disturbance? Someone needs to ask those protesters themselves, directly, instead of quoting others who are pushing their own theories/propaganda.

 

[Copernicus]

. . . a rally about immigrants replacing workers. I thought that one was about a confederate statue being removed.

Maybe it was both.

What did they mean when they chanted: "You will not replace us!" That was about the statue? What does their replacement have to do with the statue?

you are right that most of the time, the chant was "You will not replace us", because it was primarily a protest against African Americans replacing whites. However, the chant also morphed into "Jews will not replace us", and that is not only clear from some audio clips, but it was noticed and talked about by others.

For example, see:

When white nationalists chant their weird slogans, what do they mean?​

• “You Will Not Replace Us!” This slogan was coined from a statement by Nathan Damigo, founder of the white-nationalist campus group Identity Evropa, who retorted to an anti-Donald Trump “He will not divide us” campaign by actor Shia LeBeouf on social media: “Shia LeBeouf, you will not replace us with your globalism.” The chant is closely related to the white-nationalist “White Genocide” meme, reflective of their fears that white people and white culture are under attack from multiculturalism and nonwhite races. "According to the Anti-Defamation League, the slogan began appearing on white-nationalist flyers and banners in May, and has spread widely since then. (At times during the first Charlottesville march, the chant morphed into “Jews Will Not Replace Us!”)

Your above quote confirms my suspicion, though maybe I'm not reading the above correctly. It seems to say that one of these protesters, or their spokesperson, said "You will not replace us with your globalism." That is a Trumpist slogan against the replacement of American workers by foreign cheap labor, or by immigrant labor. Not necessarily about racism or Antisemitism. I see your "White" and "non-White" language above was all from someone other than the protesters. You have no quote from the protesters themselves saying they want to protect the White race, or are against non-Whites? or about protecting Whites from being replaced?

In any case, we don't have the correct meaning of this slogan, or the sentiment of the protesters, until someone interviews them directly, instead of just quoting from their political enemies or critics. Nevermind the Anti-Defamation League's interpretation of it. Tell us what those protesters themselves claim, or what they claim is the replacement that is going on.

When some reporter finally does that, at one of these rallies, I think what we'll find out is that the protesters are mainly concerned about being replaced as workers, i.e., being replaced by foreign labor or by immigrant labor, and believing it is immoral for employers to replace higher-paid workers with cheap labor, or by workers who are not of "our kind" but outsiders who don't belong here.

Actually, the "Unite the Right" rally occurred 5 years ago--in 2017. The trigger for the march was the removal of a Confederate statue. Since then, we have had enough interviews and news articles to know exactly who the tiki torch protesters were and what they were protesting for. They were primarily a mixture of extreme white nationalist and neo-Nazi groups. The guy who drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing one of them, was a known neo-Nazi Hitler-admirer. The shift between "you" and "Jews" in the chant is quite understandable, and there were also pictures of stiff-armed Nazi salutes. So I don't think that there is any doubt about the white supremacist and antisemitic makeup of the crowd.

See:

What to know about the civil trial over Charlottesville's deadly "Unite the Right" rally​

Unite the Right Rally in Charlottesville Timeline

Where “replacement theory” comes from — and why it refuses to go away​

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

Actually, the "Unite the Right" rally occurred 5 years ago--in 2017. The trigger for the march was the removal of a Confederate statue. Since then, we have had enough interviews and news articles to know exactly who the tiki torch protesters were and what they were protesting for. They were primarily a mixture of extreme white nationalist and neo-Nazi groups. The guy who drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing one of them, was a known neo-Nazi Hitler-admirer. The shift between "you" and "Jews" in the chant is quite understandable, and there were also pictures of stiff-armed Nazi salutes. So I don't think that there is any doubt about the white supremacist and antisemitic makeup of the crowd.

See:

What to know about the civil trial over Charlottesville's deadly "Unite the Right" rally​

Unite the Right Rally in Charlottesville Timeline

Where “replacement theory” comes from — and why it refuses to go away​

But my question is about the meaning of

"You will not replace us!"

which is not answered in the above. Just give a quote from one of the protesters themselves. Quote what they say, not others commenting on them. When you finally do that, I think we'll find that they are protesting against being replaced as workers by foreign labor and immigrants. Probably also they have theories about reverse discrimination causing them to be replaced, or displaced by a minority who was given preference, as they see it.

It does no good to quote from scholar experts who promote "replacement theory" of some kind. You need to quote from the actual protesters themselves carrying their signs and chanting "You will not replace us!" Ask them who is replacing them, or replacing them with what or whom. (Or if they cite one of your scholars or journalists -- OK, then that expert might be able to represent them. But those protesters probably don't have a clue who these sources are that you are quoting.)

Just give one brief quote from them, here. Your above citations are not adequate. You are only presenting opinions of those who criticize the protesters.

 

[bilby]

Because if there's one thing we know for sure about nazis, it's that they are trustworthy people who never lie about their motives or intentions.

 

[laughing dog]

Because if there's one thing we know for sure about nazis, it's that they are trustworthy people who never lie about their motives or intentions.

We also know nazis are consistently racists and antisemetic.

 

[Copernicus]

Just give one brief quote from them, here. Your above citations are not adequate. You are only presenting opinions of those who criticize the protesters.

I suggest that you get busy with the google. You could also read the articles. Or not. Your choice.

 

[Jarhyn]

as workers

workers who are not of "our kind" but outsiders who don't belong here

Oh, so, obvious racism then.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It is really sad how we managed to take a bunch of flaming tiki torch carrying middle class white people's message out of context. I feel really silly how their message was really about economic sustainability for American workers.

But why don't you (or why doesn't someone) just ask those torch-carrying protesters what they mean when they complain about being replaced? replaced by what? or by whom?

Are you afraid of what their answer might be?

The flaming torches presents a certain level of anger. Carries with it a "don't ask us to defend our position" vibe.

The loudest shriekingest paranoid complaints against being replaced have always been those of uncompetitive workers whining about being replaced by machines, or by cheap labor (e.g. by "scabs" etc.).

All labor is cheap before it gets organized. You might want to read up on US labor history in the 19th and early 20th Centuries.

These complaints have led to riots and shootings and massacres.

Typically the state troops firing on protesters.

How do we know these "replacement" protesters today are not being driven by a similar mental disturbance? Someone needs to ask those protesters themselves, directly, instead of quoting others who are pushing their own theories/propaganda.

I thought we resolved that they were complaining about sustainability in the US workforce as it pertained to maintaining enough jobs in the nation for all those seeking and needing them.

Or was that a bunch of bullshit and they wanted everything to stay white?

 

[Politesse]

Because if there's one thing we know for sure about nazis, it's that they are trustworthy people who never lie about their motives or intentions.

We also know nazis are consistently racists and antisemetic.

Considring the kinds of excuses some people make for the crowd at the Charlottesville rally, I'm not sure everyone does realize that, or more likely, want to admit that they do.

 

[ZiprHead]

"Jews will not replace us."

 

[repoman]

Trump is so sold out to super rich, Zionist Jews that it is not even funny. Mind boggling, really.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Trump is so sold out to super rich, Zionist Jews that it is not even funny. Mind boggling, really.

?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trump is so sold out to super rich, Zionist Jews that it is not even funny. Mind boggling, really.

?

Agreed... I think there is possibly some humor.

Trump: *looking in mirror, fixing hair* I am beautiful.
*intercom buzzes*
Secretary: There is a Zionist Jew for you on line 4 Mr. Trump.
Trump: Man... I hate being beholden to these people. *picks up phone* Hello?
Zionist Jew: *blah blah blah*
Trump: Yes, I know how important Zionism is to you and I make that my number one priority. *rolls eyes*
Zionist Jew: *blah blah blah*
Trump: Yes, and you Judaism is also greatly important. I back that 105%. *face into palms*
Zionist Jew: *blah blah blah*
Trump: Yes, beholden... all the way.
Zionist Jew: *blah blah blah*
Trump: Yes, it was nice talking to you too. Goodbye. *hangs up phone*
...
Trump: I never should have forced the USFL schedule to the Fall.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Trump is so sold out to super rich, Zionist Jews that it is not even funny. Mind boggling, really.

?

Agreed... I think there is possibly some humor.

Trump: *looking in mirror, fixing hair* I am beautiful.
*intercom buzzes*
Secretary: There is a Zionist Jew for you on line 4 Mr. Trump.
Trump: Man... I hate being beholden to these people. *picks up phone* Hello?
Zionist Jew: *blah blah blah*
Trump: Yes, I know how important Zionism is to you and I make that my number one priority. *rolls eyes*
Zionist Jew: *blah blah blah*
Trump: Yes, and you Judaism is also greatly important. I back that 105%. *face into palms*
Zionist Jew: *blah blah blah*
Trump: Yes, beholden... all the way.
Zionist Jew: *blah blah blah*
Trump: Yes, it was nice talking to you too. Goodbye. *hangs up phone*
...
Trump: I never should have forced the USFL schedule to the Fall.

Could be some humor. But I haven't found repoman to be breaming with humor or irony in this forum! I apologize in advance if I'm wrong.

 

[Gospel]

FYI - If we're talking about replacing someone that would walk into a supermarket and gun people down with socially productive immigrants I fully endorse replacement.

 

[Elixir]

FYI - If we're talking about replacing someone that would walk into a supermarket and gun people down with socially productive immigrants I fully endorse replacement.

I'm even more amenable to this replacement idea. If we're going to make it a color exercise, I suggest first replacing everyone wearing a red hat. That might not cut down on shoplifting crime, but it would put a big dent in mass murders.