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Reports of at Least 20 Victims Amid Active Shooting Incident in San Bernardino

 
 
 
arkirk said:
AthenaAwakened said:
The San Bernardino shooting would be the 355th mass shooting this year, according to a mass shooting tracker maintained by the Guns Are Cool subreddit. The Reddit tracker defines mass shootings as incidents in which four or more people, including the gunman, are killed or injured by gunfire. The Mass Shooting Tracker is different from other shooting databases in that it uses a broader definition of mass shooting — the old FBI definition focused on four or more people killed as part of a single shooting.

It would be also be the second mass shooting just today -- in the early morning hours, one person was killed and three were injured in an incident in Savannah, Georgia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cond-today-and-the-355th-this-year/?tid=sm_tw
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The last word I got from the OP link was 14 dead. It is really not too big a stretch to understand this kind of event in San Bernardino. The economy in the inland empire has been on the rocks for at least the last 30 years. That makes for a lot of gangs and a lot of unbalanced very poor people. It also is a hotbed of gun rights people. It really is not a surprise to me...only that it took so long to materialize.
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I spent some years of my life in Victorville, in the high desert, in three different decades, the 70's, the 80's and the 90's, building and rebuilding cement plants. At no time when I was there were there good economic times. There was a home building boom, but the homes were built for commuters into the LA areas in the valleys below.

I lived at one time in San Francisco. I could rent a large, good house in Victorville (Apple Valley) for less than I was paying to rent a garage for my car in San Francisco.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
It sounds like a coordinated premeditated attack on a particular group that wasn't affiliated with the Inland Regional Center. This isn't some sort of mass killing by some loser asshole. Great... America is moving up in the world in ridiculous domestic violence.
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Well, it is a mass killing by some loser assholes. Whatever their motivation or reasoning was, that doesn't change.
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It does change. If this were three shooters, then we are looking at a calculated military assault. But still, need time to get the details straight. Time to tell if this was a mass murder or an assassination.
If it was a random, spur of the moment killing spree, a targeted murder by people who didn't care about collateral casualties, a step forward in the global jihad aganist the Great Satan, a message to Obama to stop pampering the welfare queens, or any other possible thing, it's still a mass killing by loser assholes.
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If these guys have training, they aren't losers. They are assholes (all caps), but they aren't losers.
 
The president and CEO of the Southern California social services center where gunmen opened fire says the shooting happened in a conference area where the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health was having a banquet.
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http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/The-Latest-California-police-respond-to-shooter-6670600.php

Maybe three possibilities: terrorism looking to kill many people in a group, against healthcare/abortions for ideological reasons/brainwashing, or something specific with that place like a former employee?
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
The president and CEO of the Southern California social services center where gunmen opened fire says the shooting happened in a conference area where the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health was having a banquet.
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http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/The-Latest-California-police-respond-to-shooter-6670600.php

Maybe three possibilities: terrorism looking to kill many people in a group, against healthcare/abortions for ideological reasons/brainwashing, or something specific with that place like a former employee?
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The last option seems unlikely. They seem to be pretty consistent that there were three shooters.
 
I hope they catch these people really soon. Who knows where they are headed and what they may do next. Madness.
 
TSwizzle said:
I hope they catch these people really soon. Who knows where they are headed and what they may do next. Madness.
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This is not an issue over gun control. Nor is it one of a lone person having a break with reality. It's some kind of terrorism, a group of three (it seems) who are driven by unknown ideological, social, and cultural forces...an alienation caused by who knows...at this point.

If it is pure domestic terrorism, apart from Muslim motivations, then it suggests the development of new or growing alienation and anger from domestic sources.
 
TSwizzle said:
I hope they catch these people really soon. Who knows where they are headed and what they may do next. Madness.
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If they are pro's they will have a safe-house and be planning their next targets.
 
Breaking News - Shootout with a black SUV. One captured. Unknown if these are the suspects.
 
Reports are one individual on foot, left the scene. At least one in the SUV wounded. At least 3, perhaps 4, were in the vehicle. Police fearful of vehicle wired for explosives so are not approaching. Waiting for bomb squad.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/The-Latest-California-police-respond-to-shooter-6670600.php

Maybe three possibilities: terrorism looking to kill many people in a group, against healthcare/abortions for ideological reasons/brainwashing, or something specific with that place like a former employee?
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The last option seems unlikely. They seem to be pretty consistent that there were three shooters.
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One thing I heard on AM radio which might not be reliable is that reports of multiple shooters from victims is common when there is only one shooter. Some reports were saying between 1 and 3 shooters. While I think it's likely 3 let's see what happens.
 
Vehicle is hemmed in, two or more bodies maybe in SUV. One suspect on the run, being tracked, reputedly in a church.

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Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
max, you got a link to this new info?
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I am watching it live on FOX - they have cameras on the scene and several reporters updating viewers.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Ya, but only three dead.

I remember back in the 80s or 90s during some civil war or drug war or something, reporters in Columbia were told that if a mass shooting didn't kill at least ten people, don't even bother submitting the story because it's not news. We need to implement something similar for America. If a Swede kills three people, we can say "WTF? That happened in Sweden? That's unexpected enough to merit special comment". If some crazy American guy kills three people for whatever stupid reason he came up with, we can just call that a Wednesday.

I don't mean to shrug off mass casualties, but America's gotten itself to the point where we can just shrug off mass casualties unless they're massive enough to take special note of.
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Jimmy Higgins said:
Honestly, I'm somewhere between resigned to accept this shit because after Sandy Hook, the NRA ramped up a response about how gun owners were the true victims faster than the first body bags of elementary school children were leaving the scene of the atrocity and mad as all fuck.

I certainly hope that 14 gets a downward push. Meanwhile...

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A manhunt was under way for up to three suspects who shot as many as 20 people, some of them fatally, at a holiday party at a social services agency in the Southern California city of San Bernardino, authorities said.
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No. Keep it in the news. Keep them all in the news. Don't accept this shit as normal. Don't let the fuckers win. Guns are seen as the quickest, easiest way to solve our problems. We have to get through to the truly developmentally disabled that this is not normal. This is not the way we should live our lives and solve our problems.
 
Shoot-out over about 15 minutes ago. Police found two bodies in vehicle, a third body outside the vehicle (according to Shep Smith). There seems to be a suspect who escaped, but not sure. Apparently they did not leave the area, holing up somewhere till they thought it was "safe". Three police cars chased down SUV, man fired out back of SUV, police returned fire.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
AthenaAwakened said:
SAN BERNARDINO SHOOTING: Shootout happening near site of mass shooting that killed 14 (BREAKING)
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Only in California do you get shots (image of the vehicle) like that so quickly.

In other news, that was the getaway vehicle? What? A strobe light on top make it stick out too much?
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Your confusing the police bearcat with the suspect vehicle. The suspect vehicle is pinned between two police vehicles...a four door with a roof rack.
 
FOX reports that LA Times contact says the FEDs believe that that there was a meeting at the shooting location, an angry man left the meeting, and returned with the shooters. Was the guy associated with the holiday party? Seems to be - shooters went to second floor and targeted them.

PS - Confirmed, two dead on scene and nearby a third suspect barricaded in a house. Police have surrounded this house/home.

This is so weird.
 
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