Republicans Freak Out As Data Shows That Their Party Is Dying Off

[ZiprHead]

https://trofire.com/2019/04/06/republicans-freak-out-as-data-shows-that-their-party-is-dying-off/

New polling data compiled by the New York Times has Republican pollsters in full panic mode. The data shows that young Americans are disavowing the Republican Party in record numbers, not exactly the kind of thing needed to sustain a political party. As the older generation of Republican voters move to the great beyond, there won’t be enough people left to keep the Republican Party afloat. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this.

 

[Rhea]

Good news. And when that day comes that the GOP is done, I will be happy as a clam for the remaining moderate-conservatives to join the Democratic Party and some progressive splinter to create a new more-left party.

But before we split, we gotta make sure the GOP is dead, first. It would suck to have them continue ruling with, like, only 25% of voters or something, you know?

 

[Patooka]

I wouldn't be so sure. James O'Keefe is the Roger Stone of this generation.

 

[ZiprHead]

Is there anyone who would trust an O'Keefe story?

 

[Patooka]

Is there anyone who would trust an O'Keefe story?

He still has a job. He still pays his staff. Someone finds his "work" worthwhile. I want nothing to do with them, but I can't deny that they exist.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Is there anyone who would trust an O'Keefe story?

Acorn followed the law to every cross of a t and every dot over the i. They don't exist anymore because of that slanderous sociopath.

While his Planned Parenthood slander didn't go viral... it was popular among the right and used as justification to rescind funding to that organization.

 

[Trausti]

This reminds me of some study which showed that political persuasion is heritable; and becomes more so as we age. Not surprising that most young people identified as Democrat. I did. Reagan did. Thomas Sowell had been a young Marxist. But then you get older. Thing is, the young conservatives are more family oriented than young Democrats; marrying, having children, and all that. And they'll pass on those genes. The future belongs to them, not the promiscuous child-aborters.

 

[lpetrich]

Don't be too sure. Some people go in the opposite direction, like Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Political party seems to be much more an aspect of one's identity these days than it used to be, so I think it'll end up being more akin to that if you start off as a Catholic, odds are that you'll remain a Catholic or if your Mom buys you Coke as a child, you probably won't end up buying Pepsi when you're an adult.

Even more than what they would currently call themselves, the number within those groups who have a negative opinion of the other party is, I believe, a more key aspect of whether or not they're ever switch. If someone is opposed to the party of Dubya and Trump, no platform from that party would interest them, regardless of what may be in it or how they'd benefit from it.

 

[zorq]

The idea that political party is somehow inherited is only as valid as the idea that religion is inherited. There are external factors that affect both of these concepts. Just as atheism is on the rise thanks partially to the internet and the information age, I suspect that political independence from the party of one's parents is also on the rise for the same reasons.

There are real facts out there and lies. I suspect that a party that is perceived to be telling more lies has a disadvantage when it comes to enticing young minds in the information age.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Is there anyone who would trust an O'Keefe story?

Plenty of Republicans like what he says.

 

[J842P]

I wouldn't be so sure. James O'Keefe is the Roger Stone of this generation.

Yes, bingo. Even if it isn't O'Keefe, it is naive to project into the future based on these numbers. Political sentiment is a complex and chaotic dynamical system which can and does change courses abruptly due to unforeseeable events. War, pestilence, and famine can change the political situation very quickly. And the center will break towards authoritarianism in a heartbeat, because fundamentally, the center wants stability and order.

Just think of the world at the beginning of the century. It was The End of History. Western-style Liberal Democracy was inexorably going to take over the world, and there would be no more wars...

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Political party seems to be much more an aspect of one's identity these days than it used to be, so I think it'll end up being more akin to that if you start off as a Catholic, odds are that you'll remain a Catholic or if your Mom buys you Coke as a child, you probably won't end up buying Pepsi when you're an adult.

Even more than what they would currently call themselves, the number within those groups who have a negative opinion of the other party is, I believe, a more key aspect of whether or not they're ever switch. If someone is opposed to the party of Dubya and Trump, no platform from that party would interest them, regardless of what may be in it or how they'd benefit from it.

I think this is a true observation.

 

[funinspace]

https://trofire.com/2019/04/06/republicans-freak-out-as-data-shows-that-their-party-is-dying-off/

New polling data compiled by the New York Times has Republican pollsters in full panic mode. The data shows that young Americans are disavowing the Republican Party in record numbers, not exactly the kind of thing needed to sustain a political party. As the older generation of Republican voters move to the great beyond, there won’t be enough people left to keep the Republican Party afloat. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this.

Well, I'm sure many were already worried, as old white people dying off while non-white birth rates are higher, as it has been a known thing for a while. Texas should be an open battleground state by 2024. Even now it is turning, see reference below. FFvC could break Texas earlier for 2020. Florida will be more competitive in 2020 for the Democrats with the passing of Amendment 4 in 2018, giving ex-felons the right to vote (1.5 million people). Other states are bluing with the Hispanic demographic shift as well.


Ref: https://www.salon.com/2018/11/20/be...-republicans-fear-texas-will-go-blue-in-2020/

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

https://trofire.com/2019/04/06/republicans-freak-out-as-data-shows-that-their-party-is-dying-off/

New polling data compiled by the New York Times has Republican pollsters in full panic mode. The data shows that young Americans are disavowing the Republican Party in record numbers, not exactly the kind of thing needed to sustain a political party. As the older generation of Republican voters move to the great beyond, there won’t be enough people left to keep the Republican Party afloat. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this.

Well, I'm sure many were already worried, as old white people dying off while non-white birth rates are higher, as it has been a known thing for a while. Texas should be an open battleground state by 2024. Even now it is turning, see reference below. FFvC could break Texas earlier for 2020. Florida will be more competitive in 2020 for the Democrats with the passing of Amendment 4 in 2018, giving ex-felons the right to vote (1.5 million people). Other states are bluing with the Hispanic demographic shift as well.

The voters who put Trumpo in power are former liberal voting democrats. They're the ones who took advantage of liberal democratic policies and legislation but wish to deny it to others. They went to college and had the public foot 70% of the bill. They have government pensions and benefits but wish to deny same to others. They're immigrants who call themselves opportunists when in reality they are shameless hypocrites. Their non-citizen spouses are collecting social security and living on medicare but that's different than what they begrudge to others today.

When liberal policies succeed there is always a backlash such as we see in Brazil. I don't know what causes these reversals whereby people abandon the very policies that gave them success. Maybe gross stupidity is the best guess.

 

[funinspace]

Well, I'm sure many were already worried, as old white people dying off while non-white birth rates are higher, as it has been a known thing for a while. Texas should be an open battleground state by 2024. Even now it is turning, see reference below. FFvC could break Texas earlier for 2020. Florida will be more competitive in 2020 for the Democrats with the passing of Amendment 4 in 2018, giving ex-felons the right to vote (1.5 million people). Other states are bluing with the Hispanic demographic shift as well.

The voters who put Trumpo in power are former liberal voting democrats. They're the ones who took advantage of liberal democratic policies and legislation but wish to deny it to others. They went to college and had the public foot 70% of the bill. They have government pensions and benefits but wish to deny same to others. They're immigrants who call themselves opportunists when in reality they are shameless hypocrites. Their non-citizen spouses are collecting social security and living on medicare but that's different than what they begrudge to others today.

It wasn't college grads liberal or otherwise that put Don the Con in power. He had the widest (negative) gap in the college education category since 1980:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...s-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

In the 2016 election, a wide gap in presidential preferences emerged between those with and without a college degree. College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%. This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980. For example, in 2012, there was hardly any difference between the two groups: College graduates backed Obama over Romney by 50%-48%, and those without a college degree also supported Obama 51%-47%.

Either way, the reasons for FFvC narrow win is multifaceted and complicated, including his loosing the popular vote by over 3 million.

When liberal policies succeed there is always a backlash such as we see in Brazil. I don't know what causes these reversals whereby people abandon the very policies that gave them success. Maybe gross stupidity is the best guess.

I'd argue that 'liberal policies' haven't been succeeding for the last 50 years, or whatever those policies should be called for that time. The bottom 50% haven't been doing better, especially compared to the top 10%. Even though FFvC is the last person they should have voted for to 'fix' things, people did vote against their own self-interest. I guess a perfect example of that stupidity was the example of people saying get rid of Obamacare, but keep the ACA. There is also a real (even if unjustified/irrational) fear that WASPs are slowly loosing their sense that their white country is slipping away. And FFvC played that to the hilt.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

I'd argue that 'liberal policies' haven't been succeeding for the last 50 years, or whatever those policies should be called for that time. The bottom 50% haven't been doing better, especially compared to the top 10%.

In 30 of those 50 years, the president has been a Republican, often dedicated to either directly removing those "liberal policies" or neutering them by shifting money to the 1% (we're on our 2nd round of "trickle down", aka "piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining"). Those "liberal policies" have been the safety net that has protected the bottom 50% from being much worse off than they would have been without them.

Republicans have also been busy trying to prevent certain segments of that bottom 50% from voting (direct suppression) or having a fair shot at representation (gerrymandering), which has given them a lot of state/local power to screw people who might benefit from those "liberal policies".

 

[ideologyhunter]

We are going to have a Stone Age Supreme Court for the rest of my life span -- unless I make to 100, and that's not really one of my goals. However.... In 23 years, we are due to change from Caucasian-majority to a bunch of pluralities. Factor in the snowballing effect of income disparity and whatever climate change is going to bring (i.e., an immigration pressure that would make Trump commit suicide) and it's clear that the GOP we have now won't/can't be the GOP of 2045.

 

[Elixir]

This reminds me of some study which showed that political persuasion is heritable; and becomes more so as we age. Not surprising that most young people identified as Democrat. I did. Reagan did. Thomas Sowell had been a young Marxist. But then you get older. Thing is, the young conservatives are more family oriented than young Democrats; marrying, having children, and all that. And they'll pass on those genes. The future belongs to them, not the promiscuous child-aborters.

My parents were both Republicans, both conservatives, both ex-military. They had five kids and all of them (now past 50) have been liberal progressives, or too far left to even call themselves that. What seems to be heritable is a sense of ethics, once the province of Republican conservatives. But that party has already died, and what inhabits its empty shell of a body, are mostly maggots with no concern other than their own well-being.

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We are going to have a Stone Age Supreme Court for the rest of my life span -- unless I make to 100

Don't bet the farm, unless you're planning to croak in the next couple of years. If the Dems get hold of Congress and the WH, they will very likely add a couple of seats and turn the SCOTUS into a 6-5 liberal entity.

 

[KeepTalking]

This reminds me of some study which showed that political persuasion is heritable; and becomes more so as we age. Not surprising that most young people identified as Democrat. I did. Reagan did. Thomas Sowell had been a young Marxist. But then you get older. Thing is, the young conservatives are more family oriented than young Democrats; marrying, having children, and all that. And they'll pass on those genes. The future belongs to them, not the promiscuous child-aborters.

My parents were both Republicans, both conservatives, both ex-military. They had five kids and all of them (now past 50) have been liberal progressives, or too far left to even call themselves that. What seems to be heritable is a sense of ethics, once the province of Republican conservatives. But that party has already died, and what inhabits its empty shell of a body, are mostly maggots with no concern other than their own well-being.

Seems very similar to my family, though my mother was never in the military. Mom and Dad were/are very conservative and very religious Southern Baptists (Mom passed away 16 years ago). Of the five kids, I am the youngest at 51, only my oldest sister attends church at all, though I am the only avowed atheist in the family. Late last year, one of my other sisters was at my Dad's house and he had Fox News on as usual, and they started talking politics, which upset my Dad to the point that he said "I hope my other kids aren't liberals like you", my sister responded with the truth, "I hate to break it to you Dad, but all of your kids are liberals". My step mother, who has stage 4 Alzheimers, had to step in and tell my Dad to shut up about politics.

My Dad is a scientist (microbiologist), and has always been a very compassionate man. It seems he taught us the correct lessons when it comes to learning and ethics, even though Fox News has warped his mind in recent years to the point that he now supports a man who betrays everything he and our late mother taught us as kids.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

https://trofire.com/2019/04/06/republicans-freak-out-as-data-shows-that-their-party-is-dying-off/

New polling data compiled by the New York Times has Republican pollsters in full panic mode. The data shows that young Americans are disavowing the Republican Party in record numbers, not exactly the kind of thing needed to sustain a political party. As the older generation of Republican voters move to the great beyond, there won’t be enough people left to keep the Republican Party afloat. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this.

Well, I'm sure many were already worried, as old white people dying off while non-white birth rates are higher, as it has been a known thing for a while. Texas should be an open battleground state by 2024. Even now it is turning, see reference below. FFvC could break Texas earlier for 2020. Florida will be more competitive in 2020 for the Democrats with the passing of Amendment 4 in 2018, giving ex-felons the right to vote (1.5 million people). Other states are bluing with the Hispanic demographic shift as well.

Ref: https://www.salon.com/2018/11/20/be...-republicans-fear-texas-will-go-blue-in-2020/

The OP was about generations. Your response ... I guess given the "soft" bigotry of low expectations you don't expect minorities to be able to choose what party they might want to join. I guess the birthplace of my grandfather determines my political affiliation.