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The Republican Party was shocked (SHOCKED, I tell you) that a Nazi won the nomination to be their candidate in the Illinois Congressional race.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2018/03/21/republicans-seek-alternative-to-nazi-candidate-after-he-secures-nomination/

The NRCC cannot understand how this happened and is blaming the victory on a Jewish conspiracy.

Now, obviously, they wrote the district off and didn't field another candidate to run against the Nazi, but that doesn't make it any less funny. If I were the Democrat here, I would work on scheduling as many prime time debates as possible in the weeks leading up to the election just so all the networks can cover the Nazi running on the Republican ticket.
 

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I think we knew this outcome was going to happen with the filing deadline. The Republicans really just didn't care as the seat is not in play. I doubt they'll be sending much money his way.
 

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Actually they're not only not sending him much money, they're sending him nothing and are not assisting him in any way at all.

The only question is when they eventually release a list of all their candidates, will they include him. Probably not.
 

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Actually they're not only not sending him much money, they're sending him nothing and are not assisting him in any way at all.

The only question is when they eventually release a list of all their candidates, will they include him. Probably not.
Honestly, I think this plays well to the Republicans. They could hang posters bragging "We ain't Nazis".

Damn it... now there is another Broadway Musical song developing in my head, this tie grown adults.

We demonize hispanics,
force the birth of babies,
but one thing we aren't... are Naz--is!

I know, I know... just as bad as Andrew Lloyd Webber.
 

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Actually they're not only not sending him much money, they're sending him nothing and are not assisting him in any way at all.

The only question is when they eventually release a list of all their candidates, will they include him. Probably not.
Honestly, I think this plays well to the Republicans. They could hang posters bragging "We ain't Nazis".

Well, they do have the one Nazi candidate, so it should be more like "Republicans - most of us aren't straight up Nazis"".
 

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Yeah, the GOP prefers its numerous white supremacists in office to be more subtle about it. That's why they love phrases like "state's rights" to refer to their desire to use local and state government to violate civil liberties without Federal interference.
 

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I suspect a lot of mouth breathing Republicans voted GOP not realizing this jerk was a full blown neo-Nazi. Possibly just voting straight ticket GOP. He was unopposed, so ignorant straight party voters made him the official GOP candidate.
 

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I suspect a lot of mouth breathing Republicans voted GOP not realizing this jerk was a full blown neo-Nazi. Possibly just voting straight ticket GOP. He was unopposed, so ignorant straight party voters made him the official GOP candidate.

Well, what could he have said to distinguish himself as a Nazi as opposed to a run of the mill Republican? I don't think there's a whole lot of difference between the two.
 

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I know, I know... just as bad as Andrew Lloyd Webber.

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Not certain whether to take that as a compliment. Have you seen Love Never Dies? :shock:

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Yeah, the GOP prefers its numerous white supremacists in office to be more subtle about it. That's why they love phrases like "state's rights" to refer to their desire to use local and state government to violate civil liberties without Federal interference.
Well, "State's Rights" usually means "We can't get it passed at the Federal Level"... why we are good with "State's rights" for gay marriage and they like the idea of "State's rights" for abortion. Of course, in the liberal situation, it is about the state's right to expand civil liberties... where as the conservative is about restricting them (except for guns... oh golly luv them guns!).
 

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I suspect a lot of mouth breathing Republicans voted GOP not realizing this jerk was a full blown neo-Nazi. Possibly just voting straight ticket GOP. He was unopposed, so ignorant straight party voters made him the official GOP candidate.

Well, what could he have said to distinguish himself as a Nazi as opposed to a run of the mill Republican? I don't think there's a whole lot of difference between the two.

https://thinkprogress.org/20000-illinois-republicans-voted-for-nazi-7bbeeb7631fd/

The former head of the American Nazi Party ran for the Republican nomination of Congress in Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District. No Republican stepped up to oppose him.
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Jones’ Nazi-sympathies were not a secret going into election day. His campaign website features a slideshow of pictures of him speaking at white nationalist events. He is a perennial candidate who has previously run for U.S. House, Chicago alderman, and mayor of Chicago, and even mayor of Milwaukee. Chicago media extensively covered the race. The Anti-Defamation League warned voters of his record. The chairman of Illinois Republican Party even disavowed him, saying “The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any public office, including the 3rd Congressional District.”

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This clown was a well known Nazi. The only people who would vote for a clown like this would be people paying no attention at all to news about him, or voted for him because they wanted to vote for a Nazi.



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Jones will face incumbent Democratic Congressman Daniel Lipinski, a social conservative, who narrowly won renomination on Tuesday.
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Unfortumately, Lipinski isn't a good candidate himself.
 

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The Republican Party was shocked (SHOCKED, I tell you) that a Nazi won the nomination to be their candidate in the Illinois Congressional race.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2018/03/21/republicans-seek-alternative-to-nazi-candidate-after-he-secures-nomination/

The NRCC cannot understand how this happened and is blaming the victory on a Jewish conspiracy.

Now, obviously, they wrote the district off and didn't field another candidate to run against the Nazi, but that doesn't make it any less funny. If I were the Democrat here, I would work on scheduling as many prime time debates as possible in the weeks leading up to the election just so all the networks can cover the Nazi running on the Republican ticket.

Shocked my ass. Twenty thousand of them voted for the Nazi.

I'm sure Republicans will find some way to spin this to claim that "Democrats are the real Nazis here."

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I suspect a lot of mouth breathing Republicans voted GOP not realizing this jerk was a full blown neo-Nazi. Possibly just voting straight ticket GOP. He was unopposed, so ignorant straight party voters made him the official GOP candidate.

Well, what could he have said to distinguish himself as a Nazi as opposed to a run of the mill Republican? I don't think there's a whole lot of difference between the two.

Denying the Holocaust for one thing. They don't usually make their white supremacist leanings so obvious.

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I suspect a lot of mouth breathing Republicans voted GOP not realizing this jerk was a full blown neo-Nazi. Possibly just voting straight ticket GOP. He was unopposed, so ignorant straight party voters made him the official GOP candidate.

Well, what could he have said to distinguish himself as a Nazi as opposed to a run of the mill Republican? I don't think there's a whole lot of difference between the two.

https://thinkprogress.org/20000-illinois-republicans-voted-for-nazi-7bbeeb7631fd/

The former head of the American Nazi Party ran for the Republican nomination of Congress in Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District. No Republican stepped up to oppose him.
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Jones’ Nazi-sympathies were not a secret going into election day. His campaign website features a slideshow of pictures of him speaking at white nationalist events. He is a perennial candidate who has previously run for U.S. House, Chicago alderman, and mayor of Chicago, and even mayor of Milwaukee. Chicago media extensively covered the race. The Anti-Defamation League warned voters of his record. The chairman of Illinois Republican Party even disavowed him, saying “The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any public office, including the 3rd Congressional District.”

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This clown was a well known Nazi. The only people who would vote for a clown like this would be people paying no attention at all to news about him, or voted for him because they wanted to vote for a Nazi.



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Jones will face incumbent Democratic Congressman Daniel Lipinski, a social conservative, who narrowly won renomination on Tuesday.
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Unfortumately, Lipinski isn't a good candidate himself.

Republicans don't have a problem with voting for a Nazi.

But liberals are the "real Nazis" because the official name of the Nazi party had the word "socialist" in it.
 

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Are people here familiar with the "dead cat" principle? It is said that some people would even vote for a dead cat if it was their party's candidate.

There is a certain portion of the electorate that will always vote for their party, no matter who it is, even if they don't know who it is. Alvin Greene is a very famous example of this. If you get two no-name imbeciles running against each other in opposite parties, each of them is going to get at least 30% of the vote.

Did the voters, seeing a name on the ballot, know they were voting for a Nazi?
 

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Are people here familiar with the "dead cat" principle? It is said that some people would even vote for a dead cat if it was their party's candidate.

So if well-known conservative&libertarian Ron Paul ran under Libertarian Party nomination would you vote for him?
 

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Which is he?

You know Ron Paul is both a conservative and libertarian, it's even in the question posed to you. We've gone over this some 10-20 times over the years, to include in another thread just a couple of days ago. Any avid reader of the forum knows this, too, and can observe that you are not treating the issue intellectually. As before Ron Paul scores very high among American Conservative Union score cards over the decades and is also a popular Libertarian icon with awesome sauce Libertarian support. Now, I asked you a simple binary question of whether you would support him and you failed to answer instead trying to promote some false idea that he can't be in the boundary between the two ideologies like really SO MANY Libertarian Party members. All you had to do was answer the question but you've refused. So are you going to answer it or not?
 

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Are people here familiar with the "dead cat" principle? It is said that some people would even vote for a dead cat if it was their party's candidate.

I thought "the dead cat principle" had to do with the commonness of things. Such as "You can't swing a dead cat anywhere around the White House without hitting a Russian".
 

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Are people here familiar with the "dead cat" principle? It is said that some people would even vote for a dead cat if it was their party's candidate.

There is a certain portion of the electorate that will always vote for their party, no matter who it is, even if they don't know who it is. Alvin Greene is a very famous example of this. If you get two no-name imbeciles running against each other in opposite parties, each of them is going to get at least 30% of the vote.

Did the voters, seeing a name on the ballot, know they were voting for a Nazi?

Never heard of it.

On the other hand, I have heard of yellow dog Democrats--same idea. I figure there's an equivalent term for Republicans but it doesn't come to mind.

Dead cats are about swinging them and hitting some specified object.
 

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There has been an odd little thing about elections, sometimes somebody with a good name, but little reason to be elected, will beat somebody who is far better qualified, but has a foreign sounding name. Here in Texas some years ago, a Larouchite won as Texas Democratic chairman because his name was good while his opponent had a hard to pronounce foreign sounding name. People in the voting booth who know shit all about any of this but are faced with recording a vote, make judgments based on a mere name. Derp, derp, derp. This is how nut candidates can win elections.
 

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There has been an odd little thing about elections, sometimes somebody with a good name, but little reason to be elected, will beat somebody who is far better qualified, but has a foreign sounding name. Here in Texas some years ago, a Larouchite won as Texas Democratic chairman because his name was good while his opponent had a hard to pronounce foreign sounding name. People in the voting booth who know shit all about any of this but are faced with recording a vote, make judgments based on a mere name. Derp, derp, derp. This is how nut candidates can win elections.

We had a state rep named Radanovich a while back - you don't want to know how much of his campaign was dedicated to explaining his name to his (very conservative) voter base, and why they shouldn't be scared of it. He did win his second race, though. More's the pity, as he was an awful legislator. But I always felt a bit of pity (okay, mixed with a bit of schadenfreude) for his conundrum, trying to promote xenophobia and race hatred in policy while fighting it as applied to himself. And a little bit more schadenfreude when Republican-led redistricting threw him under the bus and gave him an unwinnable race for re-election.
 

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The dead cat principle isn't about swinging a dead cat. It is as I described - there is a certain portion of the population that will vote for the candidate of their party even if that candidate is a dead cat. They don't care, they see the D or R and cast their vote automatically.

Cheerful Charlie added another useful tidbit of information - a pronounceable name is a great benefit. It doesn't apply in this case tough. This guy ran unopposed in a primary that the Republicans had decided to run nobody in.
 

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Which is he?

You know Ron Paul is both a conservative and libertarian, it's even in the question posed to you.

Putting your assumption in the form of a question doesn't really make the assumption what you want it to be. Example: are you a necrophile or a pedophile?

So, which one are you claiming Ron Paul is, a conservative OR a libertarian?

We've gone over this some 10-20 times over the years, to include in another thread just a couple of days ago.

Where you found a very obscure online journal that calls itself liberty republican, not libertarian republican, and that they hate Jeffrey Tucker. It was in that thread where we established that if I were to create a website called The Libertarian Democrat, the very existence of that website would convince you that the two positions are in complete accord.

So are you going to answer it or not?

I rejected your premise. Have you stopped molesting your dog yet?
 

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Are people here familiar with the "dead cat" principle? It is said that some people would even vote for a dead cat if it was their party's candidate.

I thought "the dead cat principle" had to do with the commonness of things. Such as "You can't swing a dead cat anywhere around the White House without hitting a Russian".

Swinging a cat is about confined space - and the cat isn't dead (although it has been let out of the bag). 'Not enough room to swing a cat', derived from the Naval practice of imposing discipline with the cat o' nine tails, and from the confined quarters below decks in naval vessels.

The 'dead cat' is the protagonist of the 'dead cat bounce', wherein signs of a rally during a stock market correction are dismissed with the line 'even a dead cat will bounce if it has fallen far enough'.

The tendency of voters to blindly support their chosen party is the hatstand effect - 'they would elect a hatstand if it had a red (blue) rosette pinned to it'.

If something is ubiquitous, then you can't chuck a brick without hitting one. Cats are not involved, no matter their vital status.
 

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There has been an odd little thing about elections, sometimes somebody with a good name, but little reason to be elected, will beat somebody who is far better qualified, but has a foreign sounding name. Here in Texas some years ago, a Larouchite won as Texas Democratic chairman because his name was good while his opponent had a hard to pronounce foreign sounding name. People in the voting booth who know shit all about any of this but are faced with recording a vote, make judgments based on a mere name. Derp, derp, derp. This is how nut candidates can win elections.

It's not just in voting. Having a familiar name helps in many situations. It's simple human nature and the reason companies run brand-recognition ads and candidates run name-recognition ads.
 
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