Resurrecting The "Clinton Economy"???

[Harry Bosch]

Anything's possible....up-to-and-including the suggestion of hypotheticals....where no actual details are required.

Arkik has incredibly high standards. He only likes presidents with the highest of standards, only those that protect the innocent, fight for the poor, sacrifice their personal wealth in favor of the poor, fight for tolerance and minority rights, and never ever invade other countries. The only leader that comes close to that high level is Vlad Putin.

 

[Medicine Man]

Another halmark of the Clinton administration was out of sight war...just like Reagan.​

Gee....whatta convincing argument....a regular tsunami o' details.​

 

[Medicine Man]

Anything's possible....up-to-and-including the suggestion of hypotheticals....where no actual details are required.

Arkik has incredibly high standards. He only likes presidents with the highest of standards, only those that protect the innocent, fight for the poor, sacrifice their personal wealth in favor of the poor, fight for tolerance and minority rights, and never ever invade other countries. The only leader that comes close to that high level is Vlad Putin.

Yeah....some guys just seem to appreciate other guys....a LOT!!

 

[arkirk]

Anything's possible....up-to-and-including the suggestion of hypotheticals....where no actual details are required.

Arkik has incredibly high standards. He only likes presidents with the highest of standards, only those that protect the innocent, fight for the poor, sacrifice their personal wealth in favor of the poor, fight for tolerance and minority rights, and never ever invade other countries. The only leader that comes close to that high level is Vlad Putin.

Are you giving Vladamir MY BLESSING without my PERMISSION? It was Clinton supported NAFTA and his "modernization" of finance that kicked off the march to the collapse in 2008. The wall street numbers were artificially sweetened with the dot com bubble...also Clinton's. Of course Bush following him was also a factor. In order to become the POTUS you have to pretty much accept the list of things you say I demand as not really possible. We do not need self serving politicians who blow up pharmaceutical factories with cruise missiles...no bloody American residue here...just dead foreigners. You and I have a nearly diametrically opposed world view. You think all the things on that list should be ignored in the interest of your personal well being. That is silly because your well being suffers whenever world leaders ignore the list.

Your list is not really a set of high standards so much as a bare minimum of human decency.

 

[Medicine Man]

What a SURPRISE this is gonna be, for the Clintons!!!!

Barack Obama has our deficit (nearly) 2/3 o' the way, BACK to.....​

...WHAT BILL CLINTON LEFT US!!!!
January 30, 2015

 

[fromderinside]

Another halmark of the Clinton administration was out of sight war...just like Reagan.​

Gee....whatta convincing argument....a regular tsunami o' details.​

For the internet challenged go to your favorite browser and try typing "Bill Clinton's out of sight war" or "Iraqi no fly zones" and see what happens..... his Bosnia and Kosovo adventurrd were not really covered very well either - oh by the way we won that one by just bombing the shit out of Serbia and Serbia positions - as just a couple tidbits for those who weren't inquiring adults back then.

 

[funinspace]

Fun with numbers...

What a SURPRISE this is gonna be, for the Clintons!!!!

Barack Obama has our deficit (nearly) 2/3 o' the way, BACK to.....

I think you meant back to the Shrub's term...Yeah, if the OBM states it, then the factoid must be true….

Though the Treasury Dept. number provide a much less distorted picture of the debt levels from the start and finish of FY2014:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
09/30/2014 17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 16,738,183,526,697.32

Difference in debt: $1,086 billion in new Treasury debt in FY2014

But it is at least down by a 1/3, so one can still use the fraction.

 

[dismal]

Obama already gave us Clinton tax rates on the rich. I guess all that's left to do to bring back the magical Clinton economy is to raise taxes on everyone else and cut spending about a trillion bucks.

 

[fromderinside]

What a SURPRISE this is gonna be, for the Clintons!!!!

Barack Obama has our deficit (nearly) 2/3 o' the way, BACK to.....

I think you meant back to the Shrub's term...Yeah, if the OBM states it, then the factoid must be true….

Though the Treasury Dept. number provide a much less distorted picture of the debt levels from the start and finish of FY2014:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
09/30/2014 17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 16,738,183,526,697.32

Difference in debt: $1,086 billion in new Treasury debt in FY2014

But it is at least down by a 1/3, so one can still use the fraction.

Wow. How about what the government reports? Recent US Federal Deficit Numbers

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/14/u...t-test.htmlwww.usgovernmentdebt.us/us_deficit

Obama Deficits
FY 2015*: $564 bln
FY 2014: $483 bln
FY 2013: $680 bln
FY 2012: $1,087 bln
FY 2011: $1,300 bln
FY 2010: $1,294 bln

Looks like about 2/3 to me. Maybe its because ACA receipts come to IRS while ACA subsidies go to Budget.

 

[Medicine Man]

Gee....whatta convincing argument....a regular tsunami o' details.​

For the internet challenged go to your favorite browser and try typing "Bill Clinton's out of sight war" or "Iraqi no fly zones" and see what happens...​

My preference would be to ask....Why did Republicans (voluntarily) DROP THE BALL.....​

...And, ALLOW 9/11 TO HAPPEN??!!!
February 10, 2005​

 

[Medicine Man]

What a SURPRISE this is gonna be, for the Clintons!!!!

Barack Obama has our deficit (nearly) 2/3 o' the way, BACK to.....

I think you meant back to the Shrub's term...​

Yeah....Lil' Dumbya DEFINITELY had it.....​

....DROPPED INTO HIS LAP!!!​

"Not only was the entire national deficit eliminated after raising taxes on the wealthy in 1993, but the economy grew so fast for the remainder of the decade that many conservative economists thought that the Fed should raise the prime interest rate in order to slow it down."

 

[Medicine Man]

Obama already gave us Clinton tax rates on the rich.​

Show me.....

<tick><tick><tick><tick><tick><tick><tick><tick>....​

 

[arkirk]

For the internet challenged go to your favorite browser and try typing "Bill Clinton's out of sight war" or "Iraqi no fly zones" and see what happens...​

My preference would be to ask....Why did Republicans (voluntarily) DROP THE BALL.....​

...And, ALLOW 9/11 TO HAPPEN??!!!
February 10, 2005​

I am not a Republican apologist. The problem is that BOTH PARTIES ARE RESORTING TO THE SAME KIND OF MEDICINE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PEOPLE NEED AND IT IS BRUTAL AUSTERITY AND MILITARISM. Our leadership really has paralleled LBJ when it comes toforeign relations. Human rights cannot coexist with military threats and secret government. There really can be no compromise on either one othese parameters. They need to be eliminated.

 

[Medicine Man]

My preference would be to ask....Why did Republicans (voluntarily) DROP THE BALL.....​

...And, ALLOW 9/11 TO HAPPEN??!!!
February 10, 2005​

I am not a Republican apologist. The problem is that BOTH PARTIES ARE RESORTING TO THE SAME KIND OF MEDICINE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PEOPLE NEED AND IT IS BRUTAL AUSTERITY AND MILITARISM. Our leadership really has paralleled LBJ when it comes to foreign relations.

So....when DO they get brought-up for WAR CRIMES??!!!

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I get really tired o' hearin' the ol' "BOTH SIDES" distraction....that was originally rolled-out by Republicans....every time Republicans got BUSTED for defending Lil' Dumbya's screw-ups!!!

Why is it CONSTANTLY Republicans insisting that "People need to take responsibility for their OWN actions!!"....yet, it never seems to APPLY TO THEM....​

...The THIEVES OF OUR STATE??!!!
January 29, 2015​

 

[funinspace]

I think you meant back to the Shrub's term...Yeah, if the OBM states it, then the factoid must be true….

Though the Treasury Dept. number provide a much less distorted picture of the debt levels from the start and finish of FY2014:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
09/30/2014 17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 16,738,183,526,697.32

Difference in debt: $1,086 billion in new Treasury debt in FY2014

But it is at least down by a 1/3, so one can still use the fraction.

Wow. How about what the government reports? Recent US Federal Deficit Numbers

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/14/u...t-test.htmlwww.usgovernmentdebt.us/us_deficit

Obama Deficits
FY 2015*: $564 bln
FY 2014: $483 bln
FY 2013: $680 bln
FY 2012: $1,087 bln
FY 2011: $1,300 bln
FY 2010: $1,294 bln

Looks like about 2/3 to me. Maybe its because ACA receipts come to IRS while ACA subsidies go to Budget.

The OBM and the CBO arrange the books, based upon their master’s directions, see below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation..._States#Calculating_the_annual_change_in_debt

In large part because of Social Security surpluses, the total deficit is smaller than the on-budget deficit. The surplus of Social Security payroll taxes over benefit payments is spent by the government for other purposes. However, the government credits the Social Security Trust fund for the surplus amount, adding to the "intragovernmental debt." The total federal debt is divided into "intragovernmental debt" and "debt held by the public." In other words, spending the "off budget" Social Security surplus adds to the total national debt (by increasing the intragovernmental debt) while the surplus reduces the "total" deficit reported in the media.

Certain spending called "supplemental appropriations" is outside the budget process entirely but adds to the national debt. Funding for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars was accounted for this way prior to the Obama administration. Certain stimulus measures and earmarks are also outside the budget process.

From the below link we can see that the SSA surplus was $27 billion in FY2014.
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/fyOps.html

The Treasury Dept. announces the value new notes sold, and their totals, monthly. This is a much cleaner picture IMPOV, than trying to discern just what the rules are this year...

 

[fromderinside]

One trillion, 500 billion, 27 billion. Eyup. That clears it up./NOT

BTW medicine man have you gotten over your fascination with tags yet? I still haven't discovered the spel cheker.

Persons over using or ignoring either are irritating to others resulting in fewer and less rational replies. Voice of 'sperience.

 

[arkirk]

The Clinton economy was just an earlier phase of a bubble economy. His policies were mostly co-opted from the Republican agenda. Welfare reform, "modernizing our financial services (deregulation and unleashing commercial banking for speculation), NAFTA, etc. These are all policies that helped transfer wealth to the wealthy and debt to the poor, leaving a predictable situation of fulminating crookedness that led to 2008.