Right-Wing Dicks Offer a Primer on How Not to Mourn a Terror Victim

[Underseer]

SO basically they take a political stance different from the pro-Zionists on the board and therefore they must DIE

They're Palestinian dupes who think they are doing good deeds when they are really supporting terrorism.

As opposed to you, who support terrorism committed by the Israeli government?

Oops. I forgot. It only counts as terrorism if Muslims do it. I forgot that the official right wing position is that non-Muslims have never and will never commit acts of terrorism. I deeply apologize for saying anything that is at odds with the official FOX News position.

 

[Frikki]

SO basically they take a political stance different from the pro-Zionists on the board and therefore they must DIE

They're Palestinian dupes who think they are doing good deeds when they are really supporting terrorism.

Strange the ISM kids I met in Hebron were there to help Palestinian kids get to school without being stoned by the Israeli *settlers.


*Settler is such a strange word for someone that steals already settled land.

 

[maxparrish]

Ms. Schlussel's angry article may lack compassion, but it also raises a few good points. I have no idea how connected the ISM is to HAMAS but there is little doubt that Ms. Mueller had made up her mind about the "evils" of Israel long ago, and had a great deal of "solidarity" with the Palestinian cause (among many other serial causes, before and after).

Mueller was a naive idealist driven by raw emotions; an otherwise intelligent young woman consumed with the hubris of moral crusading,someone who needed to belong to something greater than herself. The press portrayed her as a professional, as an "aide worker" from Arizona, but in reality she was closer to being a cause addicted dilettante. Serious but unsophisticated, before she graduated from college she organized marches for Darfur and volunteered for America's Promise. In the "influential" college of Northern Arizona she was President of a group formed "to end mass atrocities"...(yada yada).

Graduating in 2009 and seeking new sources vent her altruistic indignation, she became one of the hundreds of other young Western "occupation tourists" who got a free ticket to trek to the West Bank to "protest" in solidarity with Palestinians (for a month or two). On arrival ISM gave her their standard two day training program before housing her. She wore her kaffiyah and got to be noisy - earning the honor of being detained by police for few hours. Later she stayed in the ISM protest tent and joined the weekly Friday protests, designed to provoke the IDF. She may have even experienced the thrill of cheering on the rock throwing Palestinians, and then running from the tear gas.

Intoxicated by the experience , she wrote: “Oppression greets us from all angles. Oppression wails from the soldiers radio and floats through tear gas clouds in the air … But resistance is nestled in the cracks in the wall, resistance flows from the minaret 5 times a day and resistance sits quietly in jail knowing its time will come again."

After a month or two, perhaps wearing out her welcome (occupation tourists tend to forget they are there to support the Palestinian protestors, not to be Palestinians) Mueller went to Tel Aviv and claimed to have done some voluntary work "empowering" African refugees in Israel (although the records on this are scanty).

Mueller then returned home to Arizona, for a year - first volunteering at an AIDS clinic and then later for a women’s shelter. Finding those a bit boring she jetted off to be an au pair in Paris, but after a while she went to Turkey in December 2012. She began volunteering with different aid groups, including the Danish Refugee Council and the Support To Life, which assists Syrian women and children refugees who have crossed into Turkey.

Mueller returned home for several months, then returned to the mideast and met her boyfriend, a Syrian activist living in Cairo. She traveled with him to Syria, but she was not under any aid organization's auspices. She was there a day and half when she was kidnapped in August of 2013.

There is tragedy and sadness in her death - in part because of her self-deception about the cultures and people's she attempted to serve... a tragedy in her own inability to see beyond her 'hunger for justice'. In her peace rallies and protest marches, in her gullibility and caring, she never really understood who was using her or what causes she was truly serving.

So it is difficult for Israel supporters to feel sorry for Mueller, because to them she was murdered by her own side...except she had no idea whose side she was on.

 

[Frikki]

Stay classy guys.

 

[laughing dog]

I find it more than amusing that a conservative would fault someone for making up their mind about something some time ago.

 

[Derec]

But she's not just 'criticizing' Mueller, she's redefining what being an American means. Her patriotic slurs against someone seem to out her as not being patriotic, though. So it's the pot calling the kettle a pot, unless it's understood that her rejection of 1st Amendment freedoms removes her from being an American, and thus also removes her 1st Amendment protections....

She might have been a bit harsh but I was just defending the idea that being a victim of a horrible crime should not canonize you and make you exempt from all criticism.

Left-wingers were also more than ready to attack Chris Kyle after "American Sniper" was released even though he was a murder victim.

 

[Jarhyn]

I came to realize some time ago that support anyone shows for any group in the Middle East is misplaced, and largely religious in nature. You won't sway frothing zionists. You won't sway frothing jihadis.

Everyone over there, and most of the countries in North Africa, are just shitholes. Israel, Palestine, Syria, everyone. The only reason anyone is over there is the global interest in oil. Period.

It is true that Israel needs to back off palestine, or just commit genocide and admit that's what they always wanted. But either way, we should support nobody. We shut cut off all imports and exports, and make whatever infrastructural changes we need to deal with just not having ME oil.

 

[arkirk]

SO basically they take a political stance different from the pro-Zionists on the board and therefore they must DIE

They're Palestinian dupes who think they are doing good deeds when they are really supporting terrorism.

Loren: Is there a single person of Arab extraction that you have any empathy at all for? Do you not understand that it is you, with your constant name calling that is being duped by your own Zionist zeal? It sometimes amazes me how insensitive you are. It appears to me you are not so much interested in the welfare of either side in any of these conflicts in terms of human interest instead seeming to side with the U.S. supplied EQUIPMENT in the area...the guns, the bombs, the explosives etc. It is as if you revel in chaos for the Arab people.

 

[arkirk]

But she's not just 'criticizing' Mueller, she's redefining what being an American means. Her patriotic slurs against someone seem to out her as not being patriotic, though. So it's the pot calling the kettle a pot, unless it's understood that her rejection of 1st Amendment freedoms removes her from being an American, and thus also removes her 1st Amendment protections....

She might have been a bit harsh but I was just defending the idea that being a victim of a horrible crime should not canonize you and make you exempt from all criticism.

Left-wingers were also more than ready to attack Chris Kyle after "American Sniper" was released even though he was a murder victim.

In case you haven't noticed, there is a struggle in the U.S. for at least some hint of humanistic morality in our foreign policy. In case you don't understand, it is okay to oppose war and killing and to want to help the ill and starving and cold and sick people war creates. It is more than okay. It is heroic. And people like you with your cold indifference to the human condition in that area of the world contribute to the problem. This lady just finished giving her all for humanistic values and you chirp on endlessly about politics.

 

[maxparrish]

I find it more than amusing that a conservative would fault someone for making up their mind about something some time ago.

I observed: "Ms. Mueller had made up her mind about the "evils" of Israel long ago, and had a great deal of "solidarity" with the Palestinian cause (among many other serial causes, before and after)."

Couldn't have been an accurate observation on the content of those long held beliefs, could it? Naw...

 

[arkirk]

I find it more than amusing that a conservative would fault someone for making up their mind about something some time ago.

I observed: "Ms. Mueller had made up her mind about the "evils" of Israel long ago, and had a great deal of "solidarity" with the Palestinian cause (among many other serial causes, before and after)."

Couldn't have been an accurate observation on the content of those long held beliefs, could it? Naw...

Let's forget Ms. Mueller for a few seconds. What do you think we should do with the Palestinians? Should they be allowed any human rights? Does being born a Palestinian automatically mean you are evil? Are the Palestinians repressing the Jews in Israel. She is completely in her rights to support solidarity with the Palestinians. What ISES did to her was deplorable. What Bush did to ALL OF IRAQ was more than 100 times worse. What Israel has done to the Palestinians is on a par with that.

Right wing bimbos working for CNN only prove their lack of humanity by criticizing Mueller for supporting human rights. Her death was a loss to humanity.

 

[laughing dog]

I find it more than amusing that a conservative would fault someone for making up their mind about something some time ago.

I observed: "Ms. Mueller had made up her mind about the "evils" of Israel long ago, and had a great deal of "solidarity" with the Palestinian cause (among many other serial causes, before and after)."

Couldn't have been an accurate observation on the content of those long held beliefs, could it? Naw...

Accuracy is not the point - relevancy is. Perhaps if you give a rationale for the relevancy of those observation on the belief and the length it was held, the apparent double standard in your response would disappear.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

They're Palestinian dupes who think they are doing good deeds when they are really supporting terrorism.

Strange the ISM kids I met in Hebron were there to help Palestinian kids get to school without being stoned by the Israeli *settlers.


*Settler is such a strange word for someone that steals already settled land.

1) Evidence?

2) How about the Israelis (and tourists!) that get stoned (and sometimes killed) if they accidentally stray into the wrong neighborhood?

 

[Frikki]

Strange the ISM kids I met in Hebron were there to help Palestinian kids get to school without being stoned by the Israeli *settlers.


*Settler is such a strange word for someone that steals already settled land.

1) Evidence?

2) How about the Israelis (and tourists!) that get stoned (and sometimes killed) if they accidentally stray into the wrong neighborhood?

Evidence? Well I was there, unlike you. So unless you want to call me a liar that is all the evidence I'm going to give you. And you are like a child picking sides. Grow up. Life is not a Tom Clancy novel.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Strange the ISM kids I met in Hebron were there to help Palestinian kids get to school without being stoned by the Israeli *settlers.


*Settler is such a strange word for someone that steals already settled land.

1) Evidence?

2) How about the Israelis (and tourists!) that get stoned (and sometimes killed) if they accidentally stray into the wrong neighborhood?

Loren, you don't get to have your pleas for evidence taken seriously because you have made it your habit to constantly say shit on these boards with nothing more that hen's teeth and snowballs from hell to back it up.

 

[laughing dog]

2) How about the Israelis (and tourists!) that get stoned (and sometimes killed) if they accidentally stray into the wrong neighborhood?

How on earth is that related to ISM or is this just another random factoid-driven smokescreen?

 

[maxparrish]

I observed: "Ms. Mueller had made up her mind about the "evils" of Israel long ago, and had a great deal of "solidarity" with the Palestinian cause (among many other serial causes, before and after)."

Couldn't have been an accurate observation on the content of those long held beliefs, could it? Naw...

Accuracy is not the point - relevancy is. Perhaps if you give a rationale for the relevancy of those observation on the belief and the length it was held, the apparent double standard in your response would disappear.

So then, the statement was accurate. The relevancy is that Ms. Schussel was making an accurate point - Mueller held serious anti-Israeli convictions (i.e. long-term convictions tend to be serious) , which is part of her motive in becoming an occupation tourist.

As I think is self-evident, no one is 'finding fault' in Mueller merely having held a long-held belief, unless such serious beliefs are niave and lead to folly (like occupation tourism). And that seems to be the story of Mueller's life, but you knew that was explained in the entire post, didn't you?

 

[maxparrish]

1) Evidence?

2) How about the Israelis (and tourists!) that get stoned (and sometimes killed) if they accidentally stray into the wrong neighborhood?

Evidence? Well I was there, unlike you. So unless you want to call me a liar that is all the evidence I'm going to give you. And you are like a child picking sides. Grow up. Life is not a Tom Clancy novel.

Oh, were you an occupation tourist too?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

But she's not just 'criticizing' Mueller, she's redefining what being an American means. Her patriotic slurs against someone seem to out her as not being patriotic, though. So it's the pot calling the kettle a pot, unless it's understood that her rejection of 1st Amendment freedoms removes her from being an American, and thus also removes her 1st Amendment protections....

She might have been a bit harsh but I was just defending the idea that being a victim of a horrible crime should not canonize you and make you exempt from all criticism.

A bit harsh?

And she has yet to be canonized. What has happened is that some people want to criticize the woman without actually referencing any actual actions.

Left-wingers were also more than ready to attack Chris Kyle after "American Sniper" was released even though he was a murder victim.

Attack?

 

[laughing dog]

Accuracy is not the point - relevancy is. Perhaps if you give a rationale for the relevancy of those observation on the belief and the length it was held, the apparent double standard in your response would disappear.

So then, the statement was accurate.

I have no idea and neither do you.

The relevancy is that Ms. Schussel was making an accurate point - Mueller held serious anti-Israeli convictions (i.e. long-term convictions tend to be serious) , which is part of her motive in becoming an occupation tourist.

More conjecture.

As I think is self-evident, no one is 'finding fault' in Mueller merely having held a long-held belief, unless such serious beliefs are niave and lead to folly (like occupation tourism).

Or conservatism.

And that seems to be the story of Mueller's life, but you knew that was explained in the entire post, didn't you?

Snide conjecture and moronic commentary is not an accurate explanation - hard to believe you don't know that.