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I'm willing to view life as sacred without any religious connotation. Even as an atheist, it is easily viewed that life is rare and beautiful.

But on the other hand, these pro-lifers don't give a fuck about life. They don't care about the woman who is undoubtedly alive.
two quick things, one of which is mostly just a side comment and kind of a derail so i don't expect an actual answer, though if you can post even a cliff's notes version of a reply to appease my curiosity on the issue that would be cool.

1. how is life, especially human life, rare? or beautiful, but that's an aesthetic choice i guess.
there are almost 8 billion of us. we're fucking everywhere. you can't spit most place without hitting a human.
(ok that's obviously hyperbolic in terms of geography but i mean, there's a shitload of humans)
humans aren't rare, and human life being beautiful is... well let's just say i find the description of human life as 'beautiful' insanely narrow and cherry-picking from the broader swath of human experience.

2. they do give a fuck about 'life' but in terms of quantity, not quality.
existence, at any cost, regardless of the context or circumstances, is their central operating thesis.
forcing existence on as many new human consciousnesses as possible is the end goal, what happens to those beings once they're shat into existence is irrelevant to them.
 

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Sounds like gay rights, right to contraception and other such rights will also come under threat:

Perhaps the worst part of the decision. This was only in a concurring part of the ruling, but it was nothing short of a flare for the alt-right / Christian Dominionists.

That he mentions Lawrence is absolutely frightening, because that overturned a law that made consensual gay sex a crime. I'm against pulling back on gay marriage, but I can at least in a corner of my head see about removing what is a privilege. But to recriminalize consensual sex among adults?! That is scary shit. I'm sure TomC will be all for that. Worked for abortion, let's just wipe the slate clean, and when I say wipe the slate, I mean put gays in jail. Let's make it a felony!

Obviously Griswold would be quite something. The right to privacy is inherent in the damn Constitution. The Government can't seize evidence from you without a warrant, even if you are a criminal, but the Government can say if you can have sex, how you can have sex, where you can have sex with your wife?
 

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It seems like Texas GOP having their 'let's hate gays' platform is going to be the basis for re-establishing the illegality of male sodomy. That'll be a pain to enforce, but the GOP really has no issue with spying on people's intimate lives.
Meanwhile in Fuck You Sen. Collins:

article said:
“This decision is inconsistent with what Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said in their testimony and their meetings with me, where they both were insistent on the importance of supporting long-standing precedents that the country has relied upon,” Collins said Friday.
"Inconsistent with"? You mean "a betrayal to", right?

Chief Justice Roberts cements his legacy as a feckless cunt ahead of SCOTUS. He disagreed with overturning Roe v Wade, but siding with the majority.
Can he be hauled in for lying at a congressional inquiry?
Donald Trump incited a fucking riot, and the GOP didn't nothing. You think they are going to reduce their majority in SCOTUS?!
 

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I'm willing to view life as sacred without any religious connotation. Even as an atheist, it is easily viewed that life is rare and beautiful.

But on the other hand, these pro-lifers don't give a fuck about life. They don't care about the woman who is undoubtedly alive.
two quick things, one of which is mostly just a side comment and kind of a derail so i don't expect an actual answer, though if you can post even a cliff's notes version of a reply to appease my curiosity on the issue that would be cool.

1. how is life, especially human life, rare? or beautiful, but that's an aesthetic choice i guess.
there are almost 8 billion of us. we're fucking everywhere. you can't spit most place without hitting a human.
(ok that's obviously hyperbolic in terms of geography but i mean, there's a shitload of humans)
humans aren't rare, and human life being beautiful is... well let's just say i find the description of human life as 'beautiful' insanely narrow and cherry-picking from the broader swath of human experience.
You can feel free to believe as you want, that subject is a derail.
2. they do give a fuck about 'life' but in terms of quantity, not quality.
existence, at any cost, regardless of the context or circumstances, is their central operating thesis.
forcing existence on as many new human consciousnesses as possible is the end goal, what happens to those beings once they're shat into existence is irrelevant to them.
They don't care about quantity, they want control. They want women back in the home, barefoot, pregnant.
 

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Sounds like gay rights, right to contraception and other such rights will also come under threat:

Perhaps the worst part of the decision. This was only in a concurring part of the ruling, but it was nothing short of a flare for the alt-right / Christian Dominionists.

That he mentions Lawrence is absolutely frightening, because that overturned a law that made consensual gay sex a crime. I'm against pulling back on gay marriage, but I can at least in a corner of my head see about removing what is a privilege. But to recriminalize consensual sex among adults?! That is scary shit. I'm sure TomC will be all for that. Worked for abortion, let's just wipe the slate clean, and when I say wipe the slate, I mean put gays in jail. Let's make it a felony!

Obviously Griswold would be quite something. The right to privacy is inherent in the damn Constitution. The Government can't seize evidence from you without a warrant, even if you are a criminal, but the Government can say if you can have sex, how you can have sex, where you can have sex with your wife?
Yea, I didn't want to say anything to Tom about that issue in the past. I like Tom. But that is exactly what I've been thinking in his earlier posts regarding his being pro-choice. If they take rights from women, they'll most like go after gays. The religious right will go after anyone that they don't agree with. Maybe they'll come after me being married to a white woman?
 

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I'm willing to view life as sacred without any religious connotation. Even as an atheist, it is easily viewed that life is rare and beautiful.

But on the other hand, these pro-lifers don't give a fuck about life. They don't care about the woman who is undoubtedly alive.
two quick things, one of which is mostly just a side comment and kind of a derail so i don't expect an actual answer, though if you can post even a cliff's notes version of a reply to appease my curiosity on the issue that would be cool.

1. how is life, especially human life, rare? or beautiful, but that's an aesthetic choice i guess.
there are almost 8 billion of us. we're fucking everywhere. you can't spit most place without hitting a human.
(ok that's obviously hyperbolic in terms of geography but i mean, there's a shitload of humans)
humans aren't rare, and human life being beautiful is... well let's just say i find the description of human life as 'beautiful' insanely narrow and cherry-picking from the broader swath of human experience.
You can feel free to believe as you want, that subject is a derail.
2. they do give a fuck about 'life' but in terms of quantity, not quality.
existence, at any cost, regardless of the context or circumstances, is their central operating thesis.
forcing existence on as many new human consciousnesses as possible is the end goal, what happens to those beings once they're shat into existence is irrelevant to them.
They don't care about quantity, they want control. They want women back in the home, barefoot, pregnant.
it doesn't have to be either/or - in fact, it's in their vested interest to have both.

predatory capitalism requires a teeming mass of innocent people being dumped into an existence they are completely unprepared for, untrained for, and given no capacity to thrive in on their own so that they are desperate and will work for less than a livable wage without having the collective power to fight back.

so they want unlimited poor uneducated rubes so they can keep a robust military enrollment and an endless supply of grunts to churn into dust to keep their chipolte burritos under 7 dollars.
 

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Sounds like gay rights, right to contraception and other such rights will also come under threat:

Perhaps the worst part of the decision. This was only in a concurring part of the ruling, but it was nothing short of a flare for the alt-right / Christian Dominionists.

That he mentions Lawrence is absolutely frightening, because that overturned a law that made consensual gay sex a crime. I'm against pulling back on gay marriage, but I can at least in a corner of my head see about removing what is a privilege. But to recriminalize consensual sex among adults?! That is scary shit. I'm sure TomC will be all for that. Worked for abortion, let's just wipe the slate clean, and when I say wipe the slate, I mean put gays in jail. Let's make it a felony!

Obviously Griswold would be quite something. The right to privacy is inherent in the damn Constitution. The Government can't seize evidence from you without a warrant, even if you are a criminal, but the Government can say if you can have sex, how you can have sex, where you can have sex with your wife?
Yea, I didn't want to say anything to Tom about that issue in the past. I like Tom. But that is exactly what I've been thinking in his earlier posts regarding his being pro-choice. If they take rights from women, they'll most like go after gays.
I didn't bring it up because I didn't think they'd go there, at least not this quickly. I figured Griswold was always the target. But Justice Thomas's statement is about as chilling as it gets. The Justice who believes rights and privileges are reserved to those chosen by those in power. The Constitution speaks the exact opposite!
The religious right will go after anyone that they don't agree with. Maybe they'll come after me being married to a white woman?
I wouldn't have thought it likely this morning, but maybe I was wrong then. But there are easier fish to fry right now, women and gays.
 

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Sounds like gay rights, right to contraception and other such rights will also come under threat:

Perhaps the worst part of the decision. This was only in a concurring part of the ruling, but it was nothing short of a flare for the alt-right / Christian Dominionists.

That he mentions Lawrence is absolutely frightening, because that overturned a law that made consensual gay sex a crime. I'm against pulling back on gay marriage, but I can at least in a corner of my head see about removing what is a privilege. But to recriminalize consensual sex among adults?! That is scary shit. I'm sure TomC will be all for that. Worked for abortion, let's just wipe the slate clean, and when I say wipe the slate, I mean put gays in jail. Let's make it a felony!

Obviously Griswold would be quite something. The right to privacy is inherent in the damn Constitution. The Government can't seize evidence from you without a warrant, even if you are a criminal, but the Government can say if you can have sex, how you can have sex, where you can have sex with your wife?
Yea, I didn't want to say anything to Tom about that issue in the past. I like Tom. But that is exactly what I've been thinking in his earlier posts regarding his being pro-choice. If they take rights from women, they'll most like go after gays.
I didn't bring it up because I didn't think they'd go there, at least not this quickly. I figured Griswold was always the target. But Justice Thomas's statement is about as chilling as it gets. The Justice who believes rights and privileges are reserved to those chosen by those in power. The Constitution speaks the exact opposite!
The religious right will go after anyone that they don't agree with. Maybe they'll come after me being married to a white woman?
I wouldn't have thought it likely this morning, but maybe I was wrong then. But there are easier fish to fry right now, women and gays.
The right is incredibly politically savvy (at least compared to left). You don't win 6 or 7 elections with fewer voters unless you're savvy. I predict that the right will totally claim that Thomas is wrong. They won't use this to go after gays, contraception and other such rights. They wouldn't dare do that........... Until the consolidate their victories in November. Then they'll go after whomever they want, and there isn't a damn thing that we'll be able to do about it.
 

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The right is incredibly politically savvy (at least compared to left). You don't win 6 or 7 elections with fewer voters unless you're savvy. I predict that the right will totally claim that Thomas is wrong. They won't use this to go after gays, contraception and other such rights. They wouldn't dare do that........... Until the consolidate their victories in November. Then they'll go after whomever they want, and there isn't a damn thing that we'll be able to do about it.
It doesn't matter what they say. All that matters is the fire the Dems light under the base, or we are extraordinarily fucked. Turnout, turnout, turnout. 2022 is going to be a war come November, hopefully not literally, but we all know the GOP and their position on fairly held elections.

The sad thing is the elections that matter the most are always THIS election. But 2000 was squandered, 2016 was a full-on catastrophe of unprecedented proportions. And the most important of the past 2010, when the state legislatures would become permanently gerrymandered. And purple states like Ohio and Florida would become ruby red for the US House.

But now, it is operation try to drag America back into the 21st Century time. 2022 is the most important response to all the failures of 2000, 2010, and 2016... until the next election.
 

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The SC overturns Roe vs Wade and as a response, Nancy Pelosi reads a poem. We need a new speaker of the house.
Pelosi is the Arnold Schwarzenegger (action film actor, not politician) of House Speakers. Her ability to get things passed is legendary, she will not be easy to replace. Nothing we do today touches SCOTUS's miscarriage of justice. What do we need to do? We need state based constitutional initiatives started immediately, where states like Ohio allow it.
 

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Meanwhile in Fuck You Sen. Collins:

article said:
“This decision is inconsistent with what Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said in their testimony and their meetings with me, where they both were insistent on the importance of supporting long-standing precedents that the country has relied upon,” Collins said Friday.
"Inconsistent with"? You mean "a betrayal to", right?

Chief Justice Roberts cements his legacy as a feckless cunt ahead of SCOTUS. He disagreed with overturning Roe v Wade, but siding with the majority.

Anyone with a functioning brain would have told Collins not to trust them. They are rligious zealotts who would do anything to impose their religious views onto everyone. Fuck her and fuck the 6 assholes on the supreme court. When I was growing up the Supreme Court was the ultimate protecters of what's right. They have become the enemy of all that's good.
 

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Passing a law doesn't mean SCOTUS won't kill it. This ruling says the 14th Amendment doesn't apply, so the Federal Government has little standing to impart on the states.
 

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WTF is that supposed to mean? If the Hillary haters had rubbed two sticks together to get a spark of insight and voted for Hillary over Phony Soprano none of this shit would be happening.

Or do you like what is happening?
 

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WTF is that supposed to mean? If the Hillary haters had rubbed two sticks together to get a spark of insight and voted for Hillary over Phony Soprano none of this shit would be happening.

Or do you like what is happening?
It just means that any time Derec can invent a way to dig at a woman who is strong, intelligent, well educated and accomplished, he’ll give it a try.

And fail, of course.
 

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Danke Hillary!
Last time I checked, she didn't appoint any SCOTUS justices. Also, she didn't support the Trump presidency. It'd be thanks, if anything, in part to Nadar voters in Florida and those that didn't turnout to vote in Florida in 2000 and people that didn't turn out to vote in 2016.

I suppose the good news is that we don't have to listen to people bitching about why the woman should be able to choose an abortion without the sperm donator's say.
 

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Danke Hillary!
WTF is that supposed to mean? If the Hillary haters had rubbed two sticks together to get a spark of insight and voted for Hillary over Phony Soprano none of this shit would be happening.

Or do you like what is happening?
I can't speak for Derec, but I don't find it hard to understand. I'd be more inclined to phrase it "Thank you Bernie Sanders".

Bernie convinced enough voters that Clinton was too conservative, wooden, and warhawkish to vote for. Trump won.

Here we are.
Tom
 

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MSNBC just showed several of the current justices on the Right being asked about their position on Roe v Wade, prior to be approved for SCOTUS. Even Thomas said that he had no opinion on RvW, as it was a long settled. Some in Congress are suggesting that these assholes lied under oath. Not that it's going anywhere, but it does appear as if we have a bunch of liars on the court. Barrett was the only one who almost admitted that she might agree to overturn RvW.

How did we allow the Evilangelicals to have so much influence? Complacency? What about all the young people who are celebrating the decision, calling themselves the "pro life generation". Wow. Those of us who were young adults prior to Roe v Wade have a better understanding of how this impacts the freedom of women.
 

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The chief prosecutor in Flint said he is not going to use his limited resources to prosecute women and doctors for their healthcare choices. :cheer:
 

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Don't pregnant women concealed carry for the first few months?
 

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Supreme Court overturns constitutional right to abortion - SCOTUSblog
The vote to overturn Roe was 5-4. Justices Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett joined Alito’s opinion. Chief Justice John Roberts did not join the opinion. He agreed with the majority that the Mississippi abortion restriction at issue in the case should be upheld, but in a separate opinion, he argued that the court should not have overturned Roe.

The court’s three liberals, Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan, filed a joint dissent.
Still no comparison to the leaked draft of the decision.
Roberts agreed with the decision to uphold the Mississippi law, but he would have done so without formally overruling Roe and Casey. Echoing a position that he took at the oral argument (which then, as now, did not seem to attract any other supporters), Roberts would have allowed states to continue to regulate abortion without regard to whether the fetus has become viable – that is, the point at which it can survive outside the womb. In Casey, the court ruled that states may not ban abortions after the point of viability, which is typically considered to be at 22 to 24 weeks of pregnancy.

The right to terminate a pregnancy, Roberts reasoned, should “extend far enough to ensure a reasonable opportunity to choose, but need not extend any further.” But the court could and should, Roberts wrote, “leave for another day whether to reject any right to an abortion at all.”
So he thought that RvW was a separate issue from that Mississippi case.
In a rare joint dissent, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan pushed back against the majority’s characterization of the decision as leaving the issue of abortion to the states. Friday’s ruling, they cautioned, is likely to have a “geographically expansive” effect, as states may pass laws that include restrictions on traveling out of state to obtain abortions. “Most threatening of all,” they added, nothing in the majority’s decision “stops the Federal Government from prohibiting abortions nationwide, once again from the moment of conception and without exceptions for rape and incest.”

“Whatever the scope of the coming laws,” they concluded, “one result of today’s decision is certain: the curtailment of women’s rights, and of their status as free and equal citizens.”
 

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Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry "... Louisiana’s trigger law banning abortion is now in effect."

Gov. Noem and Legislative Leaders Announce Plans for Special Session to Save Lives, Help Mothers - of the legislature

On the other side,
Governor JB Pritzker on Twitter: "(pix link)" / Twitter - will call a special session of the legislature for reproductive health rights
In Illinois, we've planned for this terrible day, an enormous step backward and a shattering loss of rights. We passed the Reproductive Health Act, enshrining choice as the law of the land in Illinois. We removed the trigger law that would have prohibited abortion in Illinois with the overturning of Roe V Wade. We expanded health care so that finances are not a barrier to receiving reproductive care.

President Joe Biden in an address from the White House:
“The court has done what it has never done done before: expressly take away a constitutional right that is so fundamental to so many Americans,” Biden said in a speech from the White House. “It’s a sad day for the court and for the country.”

“Now with Roe gone, let’s be very clear, the health and life of women in this nation are now at risk.”

"Voters need to make their voices heard. This fall, they must elect more senators and representatives who codify woman’s right to choose in the federal law once again, elect more state leaders to protect this right at the local level. We need to restore the protections of Roe as law of the land. We need to elect officials who will do that. This fall, Roe is on the ballot. Personal freedoms are on the ballot. The right to privacy, liberty equality. They’re all on the ballot."

"I will do all in my power to protect a woman’s right in states where they will face the consequences of today’s decision. Now, the court’s decision casts a dark shadow over large swaths of the land, many states in this country still recognize a woman’s right to choose. So a woman lives in a state that restricts abortion, the supreme court’s decision does not prevent her from traveling from her home state to the state that allows it, does not prevent a doctor in that state from treating her."

Biden warned that, “Any state or local official, high or low, tries to interfere with a woman’s exercising their basic right to travel, I will do everything in my power to fight that deeply unamerican attack.”

He also said he was directing the health and human services department to ensure abortion pills “are available to the fullest extent possible.”

"The conservative majority of the supreme court shows how extreme it is, how far removed they are from the majority of this country. It made the United States an outlier among developed nations in the world. But this decision must not be the final word. My administration will use all of its appropriate lawful powers. Congress must act. But with your vote, you can act. You can have the final word. This is not over."

From Roe v Wade overturned as supreme court strikes down federal right to abortion – live
 

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Trump Privately Called a Roe v. Wade Reversal ‘Bad’ for His Party - The New York Times - "Publicly, former President Donald J. Trump had been remarkably tight-lipped. But privately, he worried the decision could lead to a backlash in the midterms."
The decision, Mr. Trump has told friends and advisers, will anger suburban women, a group who helped tilt the 2020 presidential race to Joseph R. Biden Jr., and will lead to a backlash against Republicans in the November midterm elections.

His advisers had encouraged Mr. Trump to keep quiet about the issue until a ruling was issued, in part to ensure he was not accused of trying to influence the decision. Still, the contrast between Mr. Trump and conservatives who have heralded the decision and who worked in his administration, such as former Vice President Mike Pence, has been striking. On Friday morning, Mr. Pence issued a statement saying, “Life won,” as he called for abortion opponents to keep fighting “in every state in the land.”

"As 150 or so Democratic lawmakers joined angry protesters in front of the Supreme Court in Washington, plans emerged for scores of marches in towns and cities across the country."

Mike Bloomberg on Twitter: "The Supreme Court’s ruling is the worst attack on the rights of American women in generations – but it will not be the final word. We must make our voices heard at the ballot box." / Twitter
and from The Guardian,
Yelp’s cofounder Jeremey Stoppelman said the ruling puts “health in jeopardy, denies them their human rights, and threatens to dismantle the progress we’ve made toward gender equality in the workplace since Roe. Business leaders must speak out now and call on Congress to codify Roe into law.”

Many large US companies including Citigroup, Amazon, Apple and Tesla have pledged to provide travel assistance to employees who are in states that restrict abortions. The reaction from Republicans has been fierce with some threatening to cancel government contracts if they follow through with the plans.

The Walt Disney said it would cover employee travel expenses for abortions in light of the Supreme Court’s decision.
Which poses a dilemma for the Republican Party.
 

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WTF is that supposed to mean?
It means that elections have consequences.
Hillary "Vote For Me Because I Am a Woman" Clinton lost an election because she was a horrible candidate and had too big an ego to recognize that and not seek the presidency.

DNC deserves their share of blame for deciding to make the 2016 primaries a coronation for Hillary "It's My Turn" Clinton which caused possible mainstream candidates to not throw their hat in the ring.

If the Hillary haters had rubbed two sticks together to get a spark of insight and voted for Hillary over Phony Soprano none of this shit would be happening.

She was an unpopular candidate with high negatives. That is not the fault of voters. Do you really think she was the best candidate Dems could have put forward in 2016?

Or do you like what is happening?
I definitely do not in terms of the outcome. I think abortion should be generally legal. However, I do understand that the legal reasoning behind Roe (i.e. "emanations from the penumbrae") was always iffy and contrived.
 

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"Medical experts have also decried the Dobbs opinion as threatening the health and autonomy of patients nationwide."

Kevin McCarthy, leader of the Republicans in the House of Representatives, has cheered the supreme court’s ruling, calling it “the most important pro-life ruling in American history”.

Gavin Newsom on Twitter: "The Supreme Court has stripped women of their liberty and let red states replace it with mandated birth.
This is an attack on American freedom.
CA, OR and WA are creating the West Coast offensive. A road map for other states to stand up for women.
Time to fight like hell.
(vid link)" / Twitter

Showing CA Gov Gavin Newsom, OR Gov Kate Brown, and WA Gov Jay Inslee making statements about their plans, like make their states available to people from out of state, and protect that access from out-of-state prosecutors, law enforcement, and vigilantes.

From The Guardian:
Where are abortions now banned?

In nine states, bans on abortion took effect today, following the ruling. These states include: Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Utah and Wisconsin.

In other states, bans on abortions in most cases will take effect in 30 days. And in some others, legislatures and legal bodies will determine how to proceed – convening to legislate new restrictions, or provide guidance on previously unenforceable abortion restrictions.
 

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Sounds like gay rights, right to contraception and other such rights will also come under threat:


You'd better also reconsider interracial marriage while you're at it, Clarence. Otherwise people will think you're a hypocrite.
 

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It just means that any time Derec can invent a way to dig at a woman who is strong, intelligent, well educated and accomplished, he’ll give it a try.
Hillary is the most overrated politician of her generation, if not ever. People keep exaggerating her accomplishments (like calling her the most qualified presidential candidate ever even though that is not even remotely true) or her intellect (I have not seen much evidence she is smarter than those around her). I wonder why so much defensiveness over her.

Face it, she was a horrible candidate with a bad strategy. She would have been heads and shoulders a better president than the Orange Menace, but that is not saying much.

In motorsports they have a saying: "in order to finish first, first you must finish". In politics it's: "in order to have a chance to govern, first you must win your election".

And fail, of course.
Not even close.
 

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Hard to believe a multi-term US senator could be so naive and trusting.

Interesting, she doesn't say it is inconsistent with what Justices Alito,r Roberts or Barrett said in their testimony and meetings with her. Which means she really should explain how the fuck she decides to confirm SCOTUS nominees.

She also said "Donald Trump learned his lesson" to justify not voting to convict him in the first impeachment trial. She's a fucking idiot.
 

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Last time I checked, she didn't appoint any SCOTUS justices.
That's the point.

Also, she didn't support the Trump presidency.
She also failed to beat him, Trump. To make a F1 metaphor, she was leading the Monaco Grand Prix and went straight on in St. Devote starting the last lap.

It'd be thanks, if anything, in part to Nadar voters in Florida and those that didn't turnout to vote in Florida in 2000 and people that didn't turn out to vote in 2016.
More like Jill Stein than Nader, who contributed to Hillary's loss. Also Dems' strategy to not focus enough on Midwestern states until the very end is probably the biggest contributing factor, after Hillary being a generally weak candidate. Major unrests that had started in 2014 and continued through 2016 played a role for sure.

I suppose the good news is that we don't have to listen to people bitching about why the woman should be able to choose an abortion without the sperm donator's say.

Abortion will still be legal in many states.
 

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Sam Levin on Twitter: "@fjp_org DAs pledging not to prosecute abortion in states with trigger laws + bans include officials in St Louis, MO; Jefferson Co in Alabama; Dallas, Travis, Bexar, Nueces, Fort Bend counties in Texas; Genesee, Hinds, Washtenaw, Ingham, Marquette counties in Mich; and Hinds County, Miss (pic link)" / Twitter
AL, MI, MO, MS, TX

Senator Lisa Murkowski, R-AK: "I am continuing to work with a broader group to restore women’s freedom to control their own health decisions wherever they live. Legislation to accomplish that must be a priority."

She's got her work cut out for her - she must get at least 10 Senate Republicans on her side, along with every Senate Democrat.

During a press conference held this afternoon, California governor Gavin Newsom signed new legislation codifying the state’s commitment to ensure safe access to abortion care for those outside its borders."

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California’s new law quashes civil judgements from states hostile to abortion that have sought to bar their residents from traveling to places where reproductive care is legal. Signaling that this is just the first of a dozen pieces of legislation that will cross the governor’s desk in the coming weeks, Newsom emphasized that the state will do all it can to serve as a safe-haven while protecting its own residents from what he cast as profound hypocrisy from the highest court in the nation.

“This is not just about women. This is not just about choice” Newsom said, nodding to the erosion of rights outlined for by Justice Clarence Thomas in his concurring opinion, calling for reevaluation of precedents upholding same-sex marriage and contraception. “This is a serious moment in American history,” Newsom continued. “This moment punctuates what is really going on this country and they are just winding up.”

Kim “FIGHT LIKE HELL📕Out Now!” Kelly on Twitter: "Big ol crowd of protestors out here in front of Philadelphia’s City Hall (and a lot of cute dogs) (vid link)" / Twitter
 

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It just means that any time Derec can invent a way to dig at a woman who is strong, intelligent, well educated and accomplished, he’ll give it a try.
Hillary is the most overrated politician of her generation. People keep exaggerating her accomplishments (like calling her the most qualified presidential candidate ever even though that is not even remotely true) or her intellect (I have not seen much evidence she is smarter than those around her). I wonder why so much defensiveness over her.

Face it, she was a horrible candidate with a bad strategy. She would have been heads and shoulders a better president than the Orange Menace, but that is not saying much.

In motorsports they have a saying: "in order to finish first, first you must finish". In politics it's: "in order to have a chance to govern, first you must win your election".

And fail, of course.
Not even close.
This doesn't explain why you decided to insert your personal opinion about Clinton into this thread.
 

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This doesn't explain why you decided to insert your personal opinion about Clinton into this thread.

Because, as I said, elections have consequences. And Dems deciding to coronate Hillary cost them 2016 and three SCOTUS appointments.

There is a causal chain.
Hillary loses to Trump --> Trump nominates three justices --> RvW overturned
 

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Bernie convinced enough voters that Clinton was too conservative, wooden, and warhawkish to vote for. Trump won.

But it is his right to challenge a heiress apparent to the nomination, and challenge her on her record and her views. If she can't handle Bernie, how could anybody expect her to handle Trump?

Iron sharpens iron, but dulls a softer metal.
 

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Abortion will still be legal in many states.
Say the very same people who swore over their mother's graves that Roe would not be overturned in our lifetimes.

You'd have to be a true idiot to imagine that the legislators won't at least be trying to institute a national ban on abortions, or at least national harassment of abortion providers, as soon as possible and as often as possible. And this Court has signaled that it is willing to overturn almost any precedent on moral grounds.

I do hope these conservative fuckers remember, the next time we have a left-leaning Court, that they were the ones to destroy judicial precedent. They never stop to think whether the anti-democratic policies they promote could be turned against them at some future date...
 

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Hillary is the most overrated politician of her generation.

What generation were you referring to, certainly not one that includes Donald J Trump!

Trump has never won a popular election.
Not ever!

He is the first one term president to get in office since 1988.

I'm not sure what you mean by "overrated". Hillary won a Senate seat representing Trump in 2000. She got the most votes in the presidential election in 2016.

Seriously, if you think she's the most overrated politician in a generation, where does that put Donald J Trump?
Biggest Loser in U.S. politics in a generation? Never won an election when the American voters could express their opinions? Most corrupt politician, best at cadging support from our enemies like Vladimir Putin? Least inclined to support U.S. interests?

Exactly what makes Clinton overrated, compared to other politicians like Trump?
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Bernie convinced enough voters that Clinton was too conservative, wooden, and warhawkish to vote for. Trump won.

But it is his right to challenge a heiress apparent to the nomination, and challenge her on her record and her views. If she can't handle Bernie, how could anybody expect her to handle Trump?

Iron sharpens iron, but dulls a softer metal.

Hillary beat Sanders. Easily.
 

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Hillary is the most overrated politician of her generation.

What generation were you referring to, certainly not one that includes Donald J Trump!

Trump has never won a popular election.
Not ever!

He is the first one term president to get in office since 1988.

I'm not sure what you mean by "overrated". Hillary won a Senate seat representing Trump in 2000. She got the most votes in the presidential election in 2016.

Seriously, if you think she's the most overrated politician in a generation, where does that put Donald J Trump?
Biggest Loser in U.S. politics in a generation? Never won an election when the American voters could express their opinions? Most corrupt politician, best at cadging support from our enemies like Vladimir Putin? Least inclined to support U.S. interests?

Exactly what makes Clinton overrated, compared to other politicians like Trump?
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Absence of the dangly bits.
 

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It just means that any time Derec can invent a way to dig at a woman who is strong, intelligent, well educated and accomplished, he’ll give it a try.
Hillary is the most overrated politician of her generation, if not ever. People keep exaggerating her accomplishments (like calling her the most qualified presidential candidate ever even though that is not even remotely true) or her intellect (I have not seen much evidence she is smarter than those around her). I wonder why so much defensiveness over her.

Face it, she was a horrible candidate with a bad strategy. She would have been heads and shoulders a better president than the Orange Menace, but that is not saying much.

In motorsports they have a saying: "in order to finish first, first you must finish". In politics it's: "in order to have a chance to govern, first you must win your election".

You could have just said “Yes, I will”.

We didn’t need a fresh demonstration.
 

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But it is his right to challenge a heiress apparent to the nomination, and challenge her on her record and her views. If she can't handle Bernie, how could anybody expect her to handle Trump?
It was his right, sort of.

She didn't have to let him do so, the Democratic party aren't any more democratic than the Republican party. Political parties are private organizations.

But she did.
Tom
 

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Absence of the dangly bits.
I know you like to believe that.

Believe that everything that happens to women is because men are evil patriarchal assholes.

I don't see the world in such simple and sexist terms.
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Hillary beat Sanders. Easily.

In the Dem primary. Not hard to understand given that she was an experienced Democratic politician, and Sanders wasn't even a Democrat.

Sanders beat her in the presidential election. He made sure that enough Democratic voters considered her terrible that Trump won the White House and appointed three scotus judges.
Tom
 

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Hillary "Vote For Me Because I Am a Woman" Clinton lost an election because she was a horrible candidate and had too big an ego to recognize that and not seek the presidency.
She never said that. Your quote is bullshit.
 

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Would anyone be surprised if there isn't a real attempt to assassinate a SCOTUS judge? The one a couple weeks ago doesn't count.
 

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From The Guardian,
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was escorted by police on Friday as she walked the short distance separating the Capitol and the Supreme Court buildings to join pro-abortion rights groups protesting there.

The New York representative addressed the crowd amid chaos through a bullhorn calling for people to go ‘into the streets’ and ‘keep abortion safe and legal’.

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New York City’s Washington Square Park was packed with what appeared to be more than 1000 abortion rights protesters early Friday evening as the US Supreme Court handed down a decision this morning that overturned the landmark court decision Roe v. Wade.
Also,
The phones started ringing, as they always did, moments after Houston Women’s Reproductive Services opened for business at 9 a.m. on Friday — with patients in need of abortions calling to secure a spot on the schedule.

Then, 12 minutes later, it all came to a stop. The Supreme Court had overturned Roe v. Wade.

“Can we still do abortions today?” asked patient advocate Marjorie Eisen, thinking about the 20 women they had booked for appointments.

Several were already in the waiting room, scrolling through their phones as they waited.
Boise, ID
(2) Katie Terhune on Twitter: "Several hundred people are in front of Boise City Hall right now protesting against the overturning of Roe v. Wade. (pic link)" / Twitter

Charlotte, NC
Brandon Hamilton on Twitter: "Protesters shouting “my body, my choice” — we are nearing the EpiCentre in uptown #Charlotte (vid link)" / Twitter

New Orleans, LA
WGNO-TV (ABC) New Orleans on Twitter: "Crowds protest Roe overturn outside New Orleans courthouse (links)" / Twitter

Houston, TX
John Wayne Ferguson on Twitter: "More than 100 abortion-rights demonstrators gathered outside the federal courthouse in downtown Houston. Speakers expected to begin in a few minutes. (pix link)" / Twitter

Also Topeka, KS

Victoria Bekiempis on Twitter: "To give a sense of how many people are here, this is the scene up Park Avenue South.... (vid link)" / Twitter
 

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Elsewhere in the world, "In London, protesters gathered outside the US embassy holding signs and chanting. Demonstrations also took place in Edinburgh, the Independent reported, while sympathy protests were also reported in Berlin."

The head of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said he’s “concerned and disappointed”. Writing on Twitter, he called the ruling was “both reducing women’s rights and access to health care.” He said there was “irrefutable” evidence that restricting legal abortions can drive women and girls to unsafe and sometimes deadly procedures.

Meanwhile, the French president Emmanuel Macron tweeted that abortion is “a fundamental right for all women” that must be protected. The French Foreign Ministry urged US federal authorities “to do everything possible” to ensure American women can have continued access to abortion, calling it “a health and survival issue for young girls and women.”

The end of constitutional protections for abortions in the United States on emboldened abortion opponents around the world, while advocates for abortion rights worried it could threaten recent moves toward legalization in their countries.

The US Supreme Court’s overturning of the landmark decision “shows that these types of rights are always at risk of being steamrolled,” said Ruth Zurbriggen, an Argentinian activist and member of the Companion Network of Latin America and the Caribbean, a group favoring abortion rights.

In Kenya, Phonsina Archane watched news of Friday’s ruling and said she froze for a while in a state of panic.

“This is being done in America, which should be an example when it comes to the women’s rights movement,” said Archane, an activist for abortion rights. “If this is happening in America, what abou
 
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