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So, Poroshenko blurted out the truth - Ukraine had no intention of complying with Minsk Accords and the reason for signing them was to get time to get weapons from NATO and attack Russia/Eastern Ukraine.

And that old video from 1997 about US army "scenario" training about war with China and Russia about Ukraine NATO membership. In that scenario it was year 2025.
here is a 1997 video:


The guy is a an ukrainian journalist who had spent 2 years and 3 months in ukrainian prison on trumped up chatrges by Poroshenko regime.

this is also from him


I suspect EU/US/lithuanian idiots are scratching their heads now, cause it ain't looking good for Lithuania.


Do you really think Russia will attack Lithuania? Lithuania is a NATO member. Russia is having problems defeating Ukraine. Do you think Russia can take on NATO?
 

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So, Poroshenko blurted out the truth - Ukraine had no intention of complying with Minsk Accords and the reason for signing them was to get time to get weapons from NATO and attack Russia/Eastern Ukraine.

And that old video from 1997 about US army "scenario" training about war with China and Russia about Ukraine NATO membership. In that scenario it was year 2025.
here is a 1997 video:


The guy is a an ukrainian journalist who had spent 2 years and 3 months in ukrainian prison on trumped up chatrges by Poroshenko regime.

this is also from him


I suspect EU/US/lithuanian idiots are scratching their heads now, cause it ain't looking good for Lithuania.


Do you really think Russia will attack Lithuania? Lithuania is a NATO member. Russia is having problems defeating Ukraine. Do you think Russia can take on NATO?

Yea. Nothing against our Ukrainian brothers fighting now as they have probably stopped WW3. No doubt that if Russia had taken over Ukraine early in the war, they would have invaded Poland. But Russia is really struggling against Ukraine with old weapons systems. They can't gain air superiority over Ukraine! It's astounding. Ukraine has 40 year old that was built by Russia! They can't defeat their own system. If Russia attacks any Nato country, they will lose their remaining putrid air force, and then their artillery system shortly after.
 

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Yea. Nothing against our Ukrainian brothers fighting now as they have probably stopped WW3. No doubt that if Russia had taken over Ukraine early in the war, they would have invaded Poland. But Russia is really struggling against Ukraine with old weapons systems. They can't gain air superiority over Ukraine! It's astounding. Ukraine has 40 year old that was built by Russia! They can't defeat their own system. If Russia attacks any Nato country, they will lose their remaining putrid air force, and then their artillery system shortly after.
Russia has fucked up like only Russia can, but it's still winning. Ukraine just withdrew from Severodonetsk, and likely will have to withdraw from Lysychansk very soon as well, and pull back to more defensible position. Right now Ukrainian forces in the East are surrounded on three sides by Russian artillery.

Air superiority is something that still can be attained. Ukraine has old S-300 systems, and then some smaller systems and MANPADS from the west. But those S-300s are irreplaceable. When they're gone, they're gone. And each time they're destroyed, Ukrainian air defense becomes weaker, which makes it easier for Russia to destroy the remaining ones. So at some point, Russia may yet gain air superiority. Even now, cruise missiles and the fact that Russia can strike any stationary target almost anywhere in Ukraine is a huge problem for logistics, and it might get worse.

Russia has deployed multiple S-300, S-400 and other SAM systems to Ukraine, and of course within its own borders and Crimea, because these things have a range of hundreds of kilometers. On the other hand, there was a video on twitter of Ukraine shooting three Tochka-U cruise missiles. The air defense for that operation was one guy with a Stinger.

Ukraine needs new weapons and ammunition badly, but it also needs to learn new tactics to counter Russian artillery advantage.
 

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Britain is also a nuclear power. Vodka soaked threats from a stupid Russian media clown don't matter. Russia's military knows the UK can retaliate if stupidly attacked. The RAF's bombing campaign against Germany in WW2 demonstrates the Brits can be utterly ruthless.

And note that the entire UK arsenal is carried on boomers--very hard to take out in an initial strike.
 

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So, Poroshenko blurted out the truth - Ukraine had no intention of complying with Minsk Accords and the reason for signing them was to get time to get weapons from NATO and attack Russia/Eastern Ukraine.

It's Russia that broke them.

The guy is a an ukrainian journalist who had spent 2 years and 3 months in ukrainian prison on trumped up chatrges by Poroshenko regime.

In other words, a Russian agent.
 

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Britain is also a nuclear power. Vodka soaked threats from a stupid Russian media clown don't matter. Russia's military knows the UK can retaliate if stupidly attacked. The RAF's bombing campaign against Germany in WW2 demonstrates the Brits can be utterly ruthless.

And note that the entire UK arsenal is carried on boomers--very hard to take out in an initial strike.
Is the code word to launch the nukes "OK Boomer"? :)
 

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As evidenced by what, exactly? Having watched some tides, it's sometimes hard to tell a receding tide from a diminishing swell...
Anyhow, it's probably right to not read too much into territorial gains/losses that occur over days or weeks. The conflict is likely to remain indefinitely as a fixture of Eastern Europe, providing a reliable and robust outlet for arms mfrs. for the foreseeable future. Unless Russia does indeed run out of resources. But that's unlikely IMO - they'd probably be able to take Ukraine with hordes of zealots on foot carrying spears, if they are committed enough.
 

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As evidenced by what, exactly? Having watched some tides, it's sometimes hard to tell a receding tide from a diminishing swell...
Anyhow, it's probably right to not read too much into territorial gains/losses that occur over days or weeks. The conflict is likely to remain indefinitely as a fixture of Eastern Europe, providing a reliable and robust outlet for arms mfrs. for the foreseeable future. Unless Russia does indeed run out of resources. But that's unlikely IMO - they'd probably be able to take Ukraine with hordes of zealots on foot carrying spears, if they are committed enough.

I think that most of Russia's hordes of zealots are on ass typing at keyboards, and they are very committed.
 

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Britain is also a nuclear power. Vodka soaked threats from a stupid Russian media clown don't matter. Russia's military knows the UK can retaliate if stupidly attacked. The RAF's bombing campaign against Germany in WW2 demonstrates the Brits can be utterly ruthless.
The British nuclear deterrent isn’t aimed at Russia, it’s aimed at France.

 

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Russia broke through Ukrainian lines southwest of Lysychansk. This means Ukraine will have to do a very hurried withdrawal from the area, before they become completely surrounded.

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This could turn really ugly, and even in best case scenario it's not going to be good for Ukrainian morale. On the plus side the new front line might be more defendable, but it's not like Russian troops will stop, they'll continue with the similar tactics to take small bites out of Ukraine which eventually will mean bigger and bigger losses on the Ukrainian side, unless they can find out how to deal with Russian artillery.
 

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So funny! There have been so many negatives to the Russian invasion (NATO expansion, uniting NATO, tripling of western weapons, uniting of Ukraine, and etc.). Another causality is the utter laughingstock of Russian statements. Everything Russia says is utter bullshit, and they know it. Russia also announced yesterday that if Ukraine attacks Crimea, that they will declare war on Ukraine! Like they weren't already at war with Ukraine.
 

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Don't tell me barbos' stories about Ukraine not being able to make a dent in Snake Island were just Russian propaganda? Surely, this must be some clever 5D chess move by Putin? :LOL:

Russian troops and SAMs were just fish in a barrel on that Island. But it's not like Ukraine can reclaim it either. I think if or when the war gets to the point when Russia is again in a position to make a move towards Odessa, then Russia might give it another shot.
 

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So funny! There have been so many negatives to the Russian invasion (NATO expansion, uniting NATO, tripling of western weapons, uniting of Ukraine, and etc.). Another causality is the utter laughingstock of Russian statements. Everything Russia says is utter bullshit, and they know it. Russia also announced yesterday that if Ukraine attacks Crimea, that they will declare war on Ukraine! Like they weren't already at war with Ukraine.
I think the two-headed eagle in Russian coat of arms is very appropriate. Its statements about the war are completely schizophrenic and contradictory: on one hand, Peskov makes demands that Ukraine should surrender immediately because Russia is winning, on the other hand Medvedev warns Ukraine not to attack Crimea, which they are nowhere near doing.

Same thing with reactions to EU accepting Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine in its membership track. One head says it means nothing and is an internal matter, another head says that this is EU imperialism that is intended to attack Russia.
 

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This is terrorism.

When and where is this?

To me it seems like it's showing an Ukrainian grad launcher parking inside the building, thereby justifying the strike. The video is even tagged as coming from Russian MOD.
 

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It’s The Sun. Like the Daily Mail, only worse.

http://www.anfieldroad.uk/dont-buy-the-sun/

I am not a Liverpool fan, but I very much do support their boycott if this “newspaper”, and I urge everyone to do the same.

Don’t buy it, don’t link to its website, don’t read it on line, and don’t post videos from its YouTube channel.

Please.
 

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KYIV, Ukraine — The death toll has climbed to 20 people in a Russian strike on a crowded shopping mall in the central Ukrainian region of Poltava, a Ukrainian presidential adviser said.

Authorities say up to 1,000 people were inside the mall late afternoon on Monday when two missiles struck the Amstor shopping center in the city of Kremenchuk.

In addition to the fatalities, 59 people were wounded, 25 of them hospitalized, and authorities have received 40 reports from relatives of people still missing, presidential adviser Kyrylo Tymoshenko said on the Telegram social media app.

Video from the scene showed huge clouds of black smoke and flame billowing from mall.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called the Russian state "the largest terrorism organization in the world" in a daily video address posted after the attack.
 

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KYIV, Ukraine — The death toll has climbed to 20 people in a Russian strike on a crowded shopping mall in the central Ukrainian region of Poltava, a Ukrainian presidential adviser said.

Authorities say up to 1,000 people were inside the mall late afternoon on Monday when two missiles struck the Amstor shopping center in the city of Kremenchuk.

In addition to the fatalities, 59 people were wounded, 25 of them hospitalized, and authorities have received 40 reports from relatives of people still missing, presidential adviser Kyrylo Tymoshenko said on the Telegram social media app.

Video from the scene showed huge clouds of black smoke and flame billowing from mall.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called the Russian state "the largest terrorism organization in the world" in a daily video address posted after the attack.
That doesn't look like the same building as the video.

EDIT: All I had to do was open it in Youtube and read the description.

Shocking footage shows Russian ballistic missile destroying shopping mall in Kyiv, Ukraine. The enormous explosion annihilated the Retroville mall in the northwest of the capital Kyiv and was so powerful it pulverised vehicles in its car park.
And it happened in March.
 

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EDIT: All I had to do was open it in Youtube and read the description.

Shocking footage shows Russian ballistic missile destroying shopping mall in Kyiv, Ukraine. The enormous explosion annihilated the Retroville mall in the northwest of the capital Kyiv and was so powerful it pulverised vehicles in its car park.
And it happened in March.
Sorry, thought that was the one from yesterday. My apologies.
 

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Meanwhile in Russia, to replace a recently deceased Russian general, Russia is bringing one "General Pavel" out of retirement. 67 years old and weighing 300 pounds. General Pavel is claimed to eat 5 meals a day, and drink a liter of vodka daily. He has been nicknamed General Did. Dead In Days.
 

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Russia hints that they will trade Britney Griner for Victor Bout, illagal arms dealer known as the "Merchant of death".
 

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And yet we are still on page 28 of this thread and Barbos still has nothing to say about Putin's best boy band the Wagner Group. Funny about that...

Yet blah blah nazis ukraine blah blah...
 

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Russia hints that they will trade Britney Griner for Victor Bout, illagal arms dealer known as the "Merchant of death".
Not a good idea to negotiate with terrorist states. Russia will just end up kidnapping more Americans.
Release a guy with an IQ of 170 who ran hundreds of millions of dollars of weapons through his air freight company for a basketball player with hash oil in a vape pipe.
And he's only in his mid fifties. His best evil mastermind years are still ahead of him.
 

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Geesh. Maybe I've been wrong about Russia. It appears that they are helping to open up the Ukranian ports for grain shippage. Yesterday, they ran one of their ships into a mine, clearing the mine:


However, I'd recommend that they use mine sweepers. They are much cheaper than sacrificing a ship. But again, well done Putler!
 

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And yet we are still on page 28 of this thread and Barbos still has nothing to say about Putin's best boy band the Wagner Group. Funny about that...

Yet blah blah nazis ukraine blah blah...
I commented on that long time ago, even though you had not commented on anything I posted.
I don't know who that guy is. I don't even know if that single photo you keep posting is even real.

Sorry, man. If that single unverified photo is all you got then you are in a lot of troubles in this "Who is is the naziest here?" contest here.
 

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Meanwhile Lisichansk is practically intact. Anti-nazi coalition forces led by Russia used different (from Mariupol) tactics where they left Wehrmacht ukrainian army way out of the city. So nazis had an option of retreating (without heavy equipment)

There is developing story about 2 french howitzers which were reportedly sold by ukrainian soldiers to .... russians :) $120K for 2 units I understand.
Very good deal I must say.
 

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Geesh. Maybe I've been wrong about Russia. It appears that they are helping to open up the Ukranian ports for grain shippage. Yesterday, they ran one of their ships into a mine, clearing the mine:


However, I'd recommend that they use mine sweepers. They are much cheaper than sacrificing a ship. But again, well done Putler!

Do you feel humiliated enough?
 

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So, Poroshenko blurted out the truth - Ukraine had no intention of complying with Minsk Accords and the reason for signing them was to get time to get weapons from NATO and attack Russia/Eastern Ukraine.

And that old video from 1997 about US army "scenario" training about war with China and Russia about Ukraine NATO membership. In that scenario it was year 2025.
here is a 1997 video:


The guy is a an ukrainian journalist who had spent 2 years and 3 months in ukrainian prison on trumped up chatrges by Poroshenko regime.

this is also from him


I suspect EU/US/lithuanian idiots are scratching their heads now, cause it ain't looking good for Lithuania.


Do you really think Russia will attack Lithuania? Lithuania is a NATO member. Russia is having problems defeating Ukraine. Do you think Russia can take on NATO?

No, Russia will do the same thing to Lithuania - blockade these imbeciles :)
And no, Russia does not have problems defeating Ukraine.
 

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Lithuania is a NATO nation. Putin's fantasy he could take Ukraine in a few days like Hitler took France demonstrates that Putin was a fool. Fuck with Lithuania and Russia will lose big.
 

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This is terrorism.

Terrorism is what US is doing - bombing downtown Donetsk (no military targets at all)
What Russian Army did was hitting a plant/railroad station near shopping mall. And despite what you lying media says, shopping mall was not hit, instead one of the missiles went slightly off course and hit near the mall, resulting in a fire and it was utter lack of fire safety at the mall which destroyed it.
Missiles used in the attack were old and not very accurate but they were deemed good enough for such a large target as that plant.
Now, what do you have to say for yourself and your nazi puppets
bombing Donetsk?
 
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Lithuania is a NATO nation. Putin's fantasy he could take Ukraine in a few days like Hitler took France demonstrates that Putin was a fool. Fuck with Lithuania and Russia will lose big.
Putin had no such fantasy. His plan was to liberate ukrainians (and ukrainian russians) from nazi regime US installed in order to start a war with Russia.
And yes, Lithuania stands no chance even with NATO (which is not even guaranteed),..... NATO itself said so.
In fact, EU practically told Lithuanians that article 5 does not apply here and idiots should stop being idiots.
 

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And yet we are still on page 28 of this thread and Barbos still has nothing to say about Putin's best boy band the Wagner Group. Funny about that...

Yet blah blah nazis ukraine blah blah...
I commented on that long time ago, even though you had not commented on anything I posted.
I don't know who that guy is. I don't even know if that single photo you keep posting is even real.

Sorry, man. If that single unverified photo is all you got then you are in a lot of troubles in this "Who is is the naziest here?" contest here.
Argument from ignorance.

I assume you mean this photo:

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That's Dmitry Utkin, the person whose callsign "Wagner" is why Wagner Group is called what it is. Choosing a nickname after Hitler's favorite composer should be the first clue of this guy's political leanings, even if he didn't have SS tattoos on his shoulder.

I agree that this isn't a contest of who's the naziest. Both sides have individual nazis fighting for them, but it's unfair to label all Ukrainians or all Russians "nazis" just because of a few crackpots.
 

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Meanwhile Lisichansk is practically intact.
Doesn't look intact to me:



There is developing story about 2 french howitzers which were reportedly sold by ukrainian soldiers to .... russians :) $120K for 2 units I understand.
Very good deal I must say.
That story has been "developing" for several weeks. But curiously no pictures of the equipment. :unsure:
 

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Terrorism is what US is doing - bombing downtown Donetsk (no military targets at all)
The US is not bombing anyone in Ukraine. And the recent hits in Donetsk have always been military targets. I can't know for sure if the 2014 bombing was, but that was 8 years ago, and if you excuse Russia for missing it's target in Kremenchuk and hitting a crowded shopping mall instead, the same excuse should apply to Ukraine using inaccurate soviet weapons.

What Russian Army did was hitting a plant/railroad station near shopping mall. And despite what you lying media says, shopping mall was not hit, instead one of the missiles went slightly off course and hit near the mall, resulting in a fire and it was utter lack of fire safety at the mall which destroyed it.
Missiles used in the attack were old and not very accurate but they were deemed good enough for such a large target as that plant.
That's just bullshit. Satellite images and CCTV footage shows that the mall was hit directly. I can buy that the real target was the railroad station (because it wasn't actually hit, unlike what Russian MOD claimed), but to put the blame on the destruction of the mall on poor fire safety protocols is just inane.




The CCTV camera in the above image can be geolocated here.

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This, aligned with the fact that the mall appears to have taken a direct hit given there is no clear or significant impact site anywhere in the area around it, would seemingly undermine Russian MOD claims that a fire spread from the factory area.


Russian MOD has been caught lying so many times that you should know better to google their claims first by now. MH17, Mariupol maternity ward, Bucha, Kramatorsk, the ridiculous "victories" at Snake Island just days before Russia fled, and now this nonsense that they're saying about Kremenchuk. All bullshit, all easily verifiable.
 

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Lithuania is a NATO nation. Putin's fantasy he could take Ukraine in a few days like Hitler took France demonstrates that Putin was a fool. Fuck with Lithuania and Russia will lose big.
Putin had no such fantasy. His plan was to liberate ukrainians (and ukrainian russians) from nazi regime US installed in order to start a war with Russia.
And yes, Lithuania stands no chance even with NATO (which is not even guaranteed),..... NATO itself said so.
In fact, EU practically told Lithuanians that article 5 does not apply here and idiots should stop being idiots.
Where do you get these fantasy scenarios? EU doesn't have a say in article 5. That's a NATO rule. The EU commission bungled up this thing by first saying that the sanctions apply to goods going from Russia to Russia through European nations, and now, apparently due to German pressure, they're changing their minds about it. Lithuania hasn't budged, but EU commission might. And of course that coward Scholz.

Article 5 holds. But it won't be needed, because Russia isn't going to start a second front with NATO when it can barely handle Ukraine.
 

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Sorry, man. If that single unverified photo is all you got then you are in a lot of troubles in this "Who is is the naziest here?" contest here.
This is adorable.
Firstly, you and you alone are the one saying invading a country is totally cool if there is even a hint of Nazis. I could give a fuck who is naziest - by your logic Russia deserves to be eradicated from the face of the planet because of Putin's affiliation with Wagner. I don't agree with that sentiment - I am simply applying your logic to you. If you had a shred of integrity, you would endorse the eradication of Mother Russia. Even youtube comments agree with me.

Secondly;
Barbos - This is unverified! Wahhhhh! (It isn't. It really isn't. You asserting nonsensical crap won't won't change that.)

Also Barbos - I heard from someone who heard it somewhere that Ukraine is selling howitzers to Russia. You just have to take my word for it.

Sleep it off, Barbos. You're drunk.
 

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Russian MOD has been caught lying so many times that you should know better to google their claims first by now. MH17, Mariupol maternity ward, Bucha, Kramatorsk, the ridiculous "victories" at Snake Island just days before Russia fled, and now this nonsense that they're saying about Kremenchuk. All bullshit, all easily verifiable.
Most of the time you can tell if something was a military target or not--military targets have a considerable potential to go boom or make big fires. Other things usually do not.

Thus if it goes boom when hit it's probably military. If it doesn't it probably isn't but this isn't as reliable an indicator as neither logistics or command and control targets have much tendency to go boom.
 

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Geesh. Maybe I've been wrong about Russia. It appears that they are helping to open up the Ukranian ports for grain shippage. Yesterday, they ran one of their ships into a mine, clearing the mine:


However, I'd recommend that they use mine sweepers. They are much cheaper than sacrificing a ship. But again, well done Putler!

Do you feel humiliated enough?

The big fucking difference here is that currently Russia is killing people, stealing land, stealing and looting grain. And your side isn't going to quit until the west either stops buying your gas or when you run out of military weapons. So I cheer whenever one of your death machines blows up.
 
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