Saudis won't take any refugees, but will build mosques for them in Germany

[Derec]

Who do you want to step in and prevent this spending people want?

What people? The migrants? Do you think migrants should call the shots in Germany and elsewhere in Europe about what gets built?

 

[untermensche]

Who do you want to step in and prevent this spending people want?

What people? The migrants? Do you think migrants should call the shots in Germany and elsewhere in Europe about what gets built?

Do other people in Germany ask permission before they build a religious building?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well isn't it? At the very least it's an attempt to speed up islamization of Europe.

I think it is an FU to the refugees as that is Saudi Arabia would provide instead of shelter.

Well this is what these "refugees" do to their shelters just because they weren't woken for their Ramadan breakfast (Muslims really put angry in hangry!)

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[Tom Sawyer]

What people? The migrants? Do you think migrants should call the shots in Germany and elsewhere in Europe about what gets built?

Do other people in Germany ask permission before they build a religious building?

I would hope so. There's numerous zoning issues and other bylaws and regulations one must ensure they're in compliance with before beginning any type of construction project. Also, I don't know if Germany has tax exempt status for religious buildings like they do over here but, if so, then the impact on the revenue base of the community they're being put up in is something which would need to be taken into account by the local officials. Permission for these sorts of things are critical for everyone.

 

[untermensche]

Do other people in Germany ask permission before they build a religious building?

I would hope so. There's numerous zoning issues and other bylaws and regulations one must ensure they're in compliance with before beginning any type of construction project. Also, I don't know if Germany has tax exempt status for religious buildings like they do over here but, if so, then the impact on the revenue base of the community they're being put up in is something which would need to be taken into account by the local officials. Permission for these sorts of things are critical for everyone.

But do they need special permission?

In a capitalist nation concerning real estate?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I would hope so. There's numerous zoning issues and other bylaws and regulations one must ensure they're in compliance with before beginning any type of construction project. Also, I don't know if Germany has tax exempt status for religious buildings like they do over here but, if so, then the impact on the revenue base of the community they're being put up in is something which would need to be taken into account by the local officials. Permission for these sorts of things are critical for everyone.

But do they need special permission?

In a capitalist nation concerning real estate?

No, they don't need special permission, it's just an asshole move on their part. It's like if you put out a call for funding to fight disease in Africa and someone sends you a box of Bibles. The fact that they took the time to spend money for your cause but did so in such a manner so as to be as completely unhelpful as possible when they could have easily spent the exact same amount of money to do something productive makes them dicks.

Someone acting in this manner needs to be mocked and derided for being a fucking cunt.

 

[funinspace]

And just why have the neocons remained bedded with the House of Saud....for so many a decade?

Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.

Or maybe not

 

[Derec]

Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.

Well it was a stupid question. The reason US and KSA are allies is because of oil and needing a counterweight to Iran (but primarily oil). It has nothing to do with mosques or migrants.

 

[untermensche]

But do they need special permission?

In a capitalist nation concerning real estate?

No, they don't need special permission, it's just an asshole move on their part. It's like if you put out a call for funding to fight disease in Africa and someone sends you a box of Bibles. The fact that they took the time to spend money for your cause but did so in such a manner so as to be as completely unhelpful as possible when they could have easily spent the exact same amount of money to do something productive makes them dicks.

Someone acting in this manner needs to be mocked and derided for being a fucking cunt.

They need to be condemned for many things.

But this is not one of them.

Unless everybody in Germany who builds a religious building is condemned.

Sure, they use their money the way they want to. I thought that was a law from the heavens for capitalists?

And the people they are spending the money on are happy for it, not unhappy.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

They need to be condemned for many things.

But this is not one of them.

Unless everybody in Germany who builds a religious building is condemned.

Sure, they use their money the way they want to. I thought that was a law from the heavens for capitalists?

And the people they are spending the money on are happy for it, not unhappy.

Ya, I'm actually fairly cool with condemning anyone who builds a religious building.

Now, these refugees are poor and need help. Germany is spending a lot of money to actually help them and give them things that they need so that they don't fall over and die. The Saudis, on the other hand, were previously doing absolutely nothing to help out this group of people whom they are claiming to care about. Now, instead of doing nothing, they are actually doing less than nothing by showing a willingness to spend money on them but doing so in such a way so as to completely avoid having that money do anything useful for the people they're spending it on.

They are, of course, quite free to do that. They're just a group of assholes when that's what they do.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Not letting them into Saudi Arabia, yes, assholish.

Building mosques, it is something they want, not very assholish.

Assholish because those mosques will be used to spread hatred.

 

[funinspace]

Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.

Well it was a stupid question. The reason US and KSA are allies is because of oil and needing a counterweight to Iran (but primarily oil). It has nothing to do with mosques or migrants.

So what is your point then? SA is offering free money to build mosques. That will create jobs in Germany. As we (the US) seem to not mind pretty much anything they do, as long as they remain vaguely in the US geopolitical camp and sell oil in concert with western needs.

After all, we didn't seem all that worked up that 3/4s of the 911 terrorists were Saudi citizens, along with Bin Laden, and with lots of Al Qaeda funding tying back to the kingdom. SA is also probably the source of largest portion of what funded the ISIS Frankenstein emergence. Why should they want to deal with debris all this kicks loose?

 

[Bomb#20]

So, just to clarify, in your view, a corporation spending a huge pile of money to get people to believe lies, very assholish, a Muslim government spending a huge pile of money to get people to believe lies, not very assholish? Do I have that right?..

They already believe the lies.

That's why they want the mosques.

Who do you want to step in and prevent this spending people want?

Did you not understand the question, or are you refusing to answer it? Why are you ducking the question about your views and trying to make mine the issue?

As for whether they already believe the lies, no, they mostly don't. Wahhabi-funded mosques tend to preach more radical interpretations of Islam than random middle-eastern migrants buy into; that's part of the reason immigrants' children are statistically more radical than their parents.

As for who I want to step in and prevent this spending people want, that's a complete non sequitur. Pointing out that some activity is assholish is not the same thing as wanting someone to prevent it. For example, I think baselessly accusing somebody of being "deceitful" merely for having the effrontery to disagree with Your Highness is very assholish, but I didn't report your posts, because I don't want anyone to step in and prevent your dishonorable behavior, because I believe in allowing the open airing of the views even of those I disapprove of.

But unlike you, I don't duck questions. As it happens, in this case you have somehow stumbled blindly into the truth. In this case, yes, I do want someone to step in and prevent this spending people want. So I'll tell you who I want to prevent it. I want the citizens of central Arabia to prevent it. I want them to rise up and overthrow the kleptocratic royal family that's been stealing their oil wealth and spending it on harmful crap like mosques in Germany instead of on something that would actually benefit the people of central Arabia. Then I want them to delete the word "Saudi" from the name of their country and reorganize it as a liberal democracy. That's what I want, Mr. "Sure, they use their money the way they want to. I thought that was a law from the heavens for capitalists?". Why you of all people would think central Arabian oil revenue should be regarded as the personal property of the Saud family, I do not know. Is it perhaps because in the ever-being-revealed untermensche hierarchy of values, dictatorship < democracy < non-Western?

 

[ronburgundy]

One of nicest things about Germany is that the landscape is covered with old, architecturally beautiful houses of worship that are mostly vacant, bombed out, and ghosts of history as religion should be. Sad that will change and German towns will be now be filled with the wailing idiocy of true believers.

 

[Bomb#20]

Saudi offer to build 200 mosques in Germany for Syrian migrants is slammed as 'cynical' because the Kingdom has not offered to take any refugees themselves


And islamization marches on ...

And just why have the neocons remained bedded with the House of Saud....for so many a decade?

Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.

Whom are you not holding your breath waiting for an answer from? Are there neocons in this thread?

 

[untermensche]

Not letting them into Saudi Arabia, yes, assholish.

Building mosques, it is something they want, not very assholish.

Assholish because those mosques will be used to spread hatred.

This is called ignorant prejudice.

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...Pointing out that some activity is assholish is not the same thing as wanting someone to prevent it....

Trying to claim that giving people something they want is assholish is assholish.

 

[whichphilosophy]

But do they need special permission?

In a capitalist nation concerning real estate?

No, they don't need special permission, it's just an asshole move on their part. It's like if you put out a call for funding to fight disease in Africa and someone sends you a box of Bibles. The fact that they took the time to spend money for your cause but did so in such a manner so as to be as completely unhelpful as possible when they could have easily spent the exact same amount of money to do something productive makes them dicks.

Someone acting in this manner needs to be mocked and derided for being a fucking cunt.

Though you gave an excellent analogy of an asinine response for funding disease, this is simply about building mosques. If the EU is driving in immigrants, many of whom are from Muslims there is nothing wrong with them practicing what they believe and building mosques, subject only to planning permission. Or they can take over churches since there are a lot which no one wants to use anymore. All they need to do then are some minor conversions.The Spire could be modified to be a minaret, or to save money the cross on that spire can be removed and replaced by a red crescent.

Of course laws must deal with the very small minority who incite or participate in violent acts.

 

[whichphilosophy]

So, just to clarify, in your view, a corporation spending a huge pile of money to get people to believe lies, very assholish, a Muslim government spending a huge pile of money to get people to believe lies, not very assholish? Do I have that right?

Who would want to request political asylum in Saudi Arabia?

Idi Amin?

I think you should say in some cases the lies are preaching to the converted.

Idi Amin had no where else to take is wives and families. This was clearly any port in a storm for him, and he never even got the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

[whichphilosophy]

One of nicest things about Germany is that the landscape is covered with old, architecturally beautiful houses of worship that are mostly vacant, bombed out, and ghosts of history as religion should be. Sad that will change and German towns will be now be filled with the wailing idiocy of true believers.

This is what the Germans voted for. Now there are plenty of Muslims there to purchase the churches and lease or purchase the land. I guess the wailing idiocy of Hitler died out years ago and in some cases there may be wailing idiocy of a few Muslim fanatics may be prevalent. That's life. The Germans could have voted for leaders that restricted immigration but chose not to. The difficult bit, without infringing on democratic rights is to close any mosques where hate preachers incite violence. However anyone preaching the Koran or Bible can be accused of such incitement.

 

[Jayjay]

No, they don't need special permission, it's just an asshole move on their part. It's like if you put out a call for funding to fight disease in Africa and someone sends you a box of Bibles. The fact that they took the time to spend money for your cause but did so in such a manner so as to be as completely unhelpful as possible when they could have easily spent the exact same amount of money to do something productive makes them dicks.

Someone acting in this manner needs to be mocked and derided for being a fucking cunt.

Though you gave an excellent analogy of an asinine response for funding disease, this is simply about building mosques. If the EU is driving in immigrants, many of whom are from Muslims there is nothing wrong with them practicing what they believe and building mosques, subject only to planning permission. Or they can take over churches since there are a lot which no one wants to use anymore. All they need to do then are some minor conversions. The Spire could be modified to be a minaret, or to save money the cross on that spire can be removed and replaced by a red crescent.

Of course laws must deal with the very small minority who incite or participate in violent acts.

Lack of a mosque or a church never stopped anyone from practising their religion, and if by avoiding to do so even that "very small minority" are prevented from inciting or participating in violence is a good thing.

What if Russia were to donate Russian football fans some brass knuckles and metal bars when they go to France, so that they can practise their fandom? And then let the police of course deal with the "very small minority" that uses those things for violent acts.