Sbarro terrorists have received almost a million dollars to date from the Palestinian Authority

[Derec]

Palestinian Authority is an entity which is mostly funded from outside, much of it from EU and, until recently, US.

Sbarro terrorists have received $910,823 in pay-for-slay funds in 18 years

Eighteen years ago, on August 9, female terrorist Ahlam Tamimi smuggled a bomb in a guitar case into Jerusalem and led a suicide bomber to the crowded Sbarro pizza shop in Jerusalem’s city center.
Suicide terrorist Izz Al-Din Al-Masri ate a slice of pizza and then blew himself up, murdering 15 people, seven of them children, and wounding close to 130 others.
“I have no regrets,” Tamimi told Channel 1 TV in an interview that was recently rebroadcast on Palestinian Authority TV. “No Palestinian prisoner regrets what he or she has done.”
Since that fateful day, in which two Americans – Malki Roth and Shoshana Yehudit Greenbaum – were among the murdered, the PA has paid the seven terrorists who helped orchestrate the attack as well as Al-Masri’s family $910,823 (3.2 million shekels), according to a report released Thursday by Palestinian Media Watch.

PA (dominated by supposedly moderate Fatah) is basically funding the murder of children and murder of Americans.
PA, Fatah, and Mahmoud Abbas are not some "moderates". They are clearly not interested in peace as long as they fund terrorism.

Jordan is refusing to extradite the surviving ringleader, Ahlam Tamimi, who is living there after being released in the (misguided in my opinion) Gilad Shalit deal in 2011.

This is what the Palestinian side of this conflict is REALLY like.

 

[Jarhyn]

Palestinian Authority is an entity which is mostly funded from outside, much of it from EU and, until recently, US.

Sbarro terrorists have received $910,823 in pay-for-slay funds in 18 years

Eighteen years ago, on August 9, female terrorist Ahlam Tamimi smuggled a bomb in a guitar case into Jerusalem and led a suicide bomber to the crowded Sbarro pizza shop in Jerusalem’s city center.
Suicide terrorist Izz Al-Din Al-Masri ate a slice of pizza and then blew himself up, murdering 15 people, seven of them children, and wounding close to 130 others.
“I have no regrets,” Tamimi told Channel 1 TV in an interview that was recently rebroadcast on Palestinian Authority TV. “No Palestinian prisoner regrets what he or she has done.”
Since that fateful day, in which two Americans – Malki Roth and Shoshana Yehudit Greenbaum – were among the murdered, the PA has paid the seven terrorists who helped orchestrate the attack as well as Al-Masri’s family $910,823 (3.2 million shekels), according to a report released Thursday by Palestinian Media Watch.

PA (dominated by supposedly moderate Fatah) is basically funding the murder of children and murder of Americans.
PA, Fatah, and Mahmoud Abbas are not some "moderates". They are clearly not interested in peace as long as they fund terrorism.

Jordan is refusing to extradite the surviving ringleader, Ahlam Tamimi, who is living there after being released in the (misguided in my opinion) Gilad Shalit deal in 2011.

This is what the Palestinian side of this conflict is REALLY like.

See, you keep posting shit like this under the mistaken assumption that anyone on the left actually condones terrorism. We don't. I'm not going to accept the "truthfulness" of your sources nor the veracity of your claims given those sources, but I am facially willing to accept that the PA has done some heinous things in desperation to get out from under the thumb of Israel.

In fact, I'm pretty sure every time you decide to we all roll out the same or similar statements.

The primary difference is that we, unlike you, do not validate the equally heinous actions of Israel and their exercise of military force to actually displace people, create civilian casualties wantonly, and otherwise oppress people.

 

[Derec]

See, you keep posting shit like this under the mistaken assumption that anyone on the left actually condones terrorism.

There have been people on this forum defending both PA's "pay for slay" scheme and also defending Palestinian terrorist attacks as so-called "freedom fighting".

We don't.

While you may not, there are plenty that do.

I'm not going to accept the "truthfulness" of your sources nor the veracity of your claims given those sources, but I am facially willing to accept that the PA has done some heinous things in desperation to get out from under the thumb of Israel.

The so-called 'Martyr's Fund' (aka "pay for slay") is well documented. It funnels hundreds of millions of dollars to terrorists and families of dead terrorists. Much of it Western funded. That is all well known, and the reason why US cut funding to PA last year. EU should follow suit!

The primary difference is that we, unlike you, do not validate the equally heinous actions of Israel

What "equally heinous act" to this by Israel is there? This is a deliberate targeting of civilians, including children, at a location known to attract families. This is the surviving ringleader, Ahlam Tamimi (aunt of Ahed Tamimi if you were wondering), expressing her delight that so many children were killed. She also describes how all the Palestinians she saw in the aftermath were happy about the deadly terrorist attack.

Israel does nothing, nothing, even remotely approaching this level of depravity and evil. This attempt to draw some kind if moral equivalence between the two sides is morally bankrupt.

and their exercise of military force to actually displace people, create civilian casualties wantonly, and otherwise oppress people.

Warfare (and Israel is actively trying to reduce civilian casualties, the opposite of Palestinians' goal) is one thing, terrorism is quite another. Besides, Israel is being forced into military operations by the aggression by Palestinians, such as rocket launching.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

See, you keep posting shit like this under the mistaken assumption that anyone on the left actually condones terrorism. We don't. I'm not going to accept the "truthfulness" of your sources nor the veracity of your claims given those sources, but I am facially willing to accept that the PA has done some heinous things in desperation to get out from under the thumb of Israel.

It's no secret that the PA funds terrorism.

The primary difference is that we, unlike you, do not validate the equally heinous actions of Israel and their exercise of military force to actually displace people, create civilian casualties wantonly, and otherwise oppress people.

And here lies the problem--we don't have any equally heinous acts from Israel. They don't target civilians other than in leftist dreamland.

 

[ZiprHead]

And here lies the problem--we don't have any equally heinous acts from Israel. They don't target civilians other than in leftist dreamland.

Israelis May Have Committed Crimes Against Humanity in Gaza Protests, U.N. Says

GENEVA — United Nations investigators said on Thursday that Israeli troops may have committed crimes against humanity in shooting unarmed civilians — including children — who posed no threat during the mass protests last year at the border with Gaza.

A commission of inquiry, formed by the United Nations Human Rights Council to look into the violence, reported that Israeli security forces had killed 189 Palestinians and injured more than 9,000 others. Its 25-page report, released in Geneva on Thursday, accused the Israeli authorities of showing little willingness to prosecute anyone responsible.

 

[Axulus]

I guess mall pizza just didn't pay the bills anymore.

 

[Elixir]

"Sbarro terrorists have received almost a million dollars to date..."

Yawn. So what.

US-based alt-white terrorists and their enablers have received BILLIONS of YOUR tax dollars.
How many terrorist acts have been perpetrated in the US by Sbarro terrorists? (HINT: 0)
How many terrorist acts have been perpetrated in the US by alt-white terrorists? (Too many to count)

But let's not get caught up in ACTUAL threats - much mo betta for the alt-white movement to pretend that Israel's terrorism problem has nothing to do their habit of committing genocide against people who can be politically portrayed as a threat to them. So we need to get really freaked out about a measly million dollars and forget the fact that in 2018 alone, you and I gave more than a hundred and thirty thousand millions to the Israelis, who are guaranteeing us ample supply of terrorists and are doing so for profit. The Palestinians are like Trump's Mexicans - incapable poor people who can be readily leveraged into perceived threats.

 

[Derec]

Yawn. So what.

So what? I guess Jewish lives don't matter to the New Left of "Sandy" and her Squad.

US-based alt-white terrorists and their enablers have received BILLIONS of YOUR tax dollars.

[citation needed]

How many terrorist acts have been perpetrated in the US by Sbarro terrorists? (HINT: 0)

Hamas specifically? None that I know of, but there have been many Islamic terrorist attacks have been perpetrated on US soil. Al Quada or ISIS are not very different from Hamas.
And of course, there have been Americans among the dead and wounded in the Sbarro bombing. Which is why US has been seeking extradition of the surviving terrorist for years, but Jordan is refusing to hand her over to face justice.

But let's not get caught up in ACTUAL threats - much mo betta for the alt-white movement to pretend that Israel's terrorism problem has nothing to do their habit of committing genocide against people who can be politically portrayed as a threat to them.

What "genocide"? The only ones threatening genocide are your friends from Hamas.

The Palestinians are like Trump's Mexicans

Mexico is at least not shooting rockets into Texas.

 

[Elixir]

So what? I guess Jewish lives don't matter to the New Left of "Sandy" and her Squad.

All lives matter Derec - get with the fucking program!
Jewish lives matter, Christian lives matter, Hindu lives matter, Atheist lives matter...
Of course white lives matter most, and most Jews are white so they matter a lot. My father's family was 100% purebred Ashkenazi (your favorite kind of nazi?) until he married my mom.

That doesn't mean I like doling out hundreds of billions of American tax dollars to the Israeli government to perpetuate the myth of The Muslim Threat, so they can carry on with their murderous agenda and get even more money from us.

A fucking million terrorist dollars... sheesh. Time to tear your hair out, I guess.

They were carrying AK47 rifles and other weapons when they tried to infiltrate into Israel.

Says... let me guess...

 

[Derec]

And here lies the problem--we don't have any equally heinous acts from Israel. They don't target civilians other than in leftist dreamland.

Israelis May Have Committed Crimes Against Humanity in Gaza Protests, U.N. Says

Loren said civilians. UN is completely mischaracterizing these border riots. If you engage in violent riots at the border, you are not really a "civilian". That is very different than families going to a pizza joint.

What is happening at these riots? Mostly what you see is rocks being launched with slings. These slings are not toys but in fact can cause serious and even fatal injuries. So not even rocks are innocuous. But you have more. You have teams trying to cut the border fence for infiltration into Israeli territory. You have explosive devices being thrown across the border. For UN to claim Israel should not be using deadly force or even call them "civilians" is highly duplicitous.
Palestinians Throw Explosives, Hand Grenades During Gaza Border Riots


And this is what happened just yesterday at the Gaza border.
Israeli troops kill four Palestinian militants on Gaza border - military
They were carrying AK47 rifles and other weapons when they tried to infiltrate into Israel.

 

[Derec]

the myth of The Muslim Threat,

It's not a myth.

 

[Elixir]

the myth of The Muslim Threat,

It's not a myth.

Yeah - it's amazing what a few hundred billion dollars can buy. It can turn a shadow puppet into a "credible threat". *
Just ask the people in El Paso.

* Try that with a measly million bucks.

 

[Derec]

Just ask the people in El Paso.

Is everything to you the work of those evil "white people"? What you are is a white subpremacist. A common affliction on the far left.
In any case, there is an El Paso thread. Go there. This is about PA funding terrorism against Israel.

 

[Elixir]

Just ask the people in El Paso.

Is everything to you the work of those evil "white people"?

No, just the terror being intentionally wrought upon minorities in order to garner the votes and money of white supremacists.

What you are is a white subpremacist.

... I won't even bother with the neg reps for that stupidity. If you really must parrot the alt-white's specious "I'm rubber and you're glue" claims, you should probably try not make total and complete non-sequitur hash of the job. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Elixir]

This is about PA funding terrorism against Israel.

Right. So what part of:
"Palestinians are to the Knesset as Mexicans are to the Trump Administration"
is going over your head?

Look Derec, Kim has his Americans, Trump has his Mexicans, Bibi has his Palestinians.
The create-a-demon model works successfully in all kinds of cultures because it employs universal, human, primal impulses. It preserves the power of leaders who are bellicose and otherwise unfit for modernity, and delivers unto them all the resources they demand from "their" people.

A million fucking dollars, Derec. Headlines. What a joke.
The cost of Cheato's new Airforce one just went over budget by two thousand times that amount. And that's just the overage...
Remember when he said he SAVED you and me 1.6b on that project?

 

[Arctish]

Just ask the people in El Paso.

Is everything to you the work of those evil "white people"? What you are is a white subpremacist. A common affliction on the far left.
In any case, there is an El Paso thread. Go there. This is about PA funding terrorism against Israel.

The PLO manages the Martyr's Fund and disburses payments.

When the PLO set up the Martyr's Fund, it didn't distinguish between protesters, defensive fighters, offensive fighters, and terrorists. They were all seen as people who resisted the Zionist takeover of Palestinian lands, and were therefore qualified for Martyr's Fund benefits if they were killed, maimed, or imprisoned.

When the PA was formed, it took over the government functions being performed by the PLO including what passed for social welfare and veteran's benefits. But the PA handed the Martyr's Fund back to the PLO due to the politics of making payments to the families of terrorists at a time when the PA is pursuing international support for the Palestinian State.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And here lies the problem--we don't have any equally heinous acts from Israel. They don't target civilians other than in leftist dreamland.

Israelis May Have Committed Crimes Against Humanity in Gaza Protests, U.N. Says

GENEVA — United Nations investigators said on Thursday that Israeli troops may have committed crimes against humanity in shooting unarmed civilians — including children — who posed no threat during the mass protests last year at the border with Gaza.

A commission of inquiry, formed by the United Nations Human Rights Council to look into the violence, reported that Israeli security forces had killed 189 Palestinians and injured more than 9,000 others. Its 25-page report, released in Geneva on Thursday, accused the Israeli authorities of showing little willingness to prosecute anyone responsible.

UNHRC said it? It's probably false.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Just ask the people in El Paso.

Is everything to you the work of those evil "white people"? What you are is a white subpremacist. A common affliction on the far left.
In any case, there is an El Paso thread. Go there. This is about PA funding terrorism against Israel.

The PLO manages the Martyr's Fund and disburses payments.

When the PLO set up the Martyr's Fund, it didn't distinguish between protesters, defensive fighters, offensive fighters, and terrorists. They were all seen as people who resisted the Zionist takeover of Palestinian lands, and were therefore qualified for Martyr's Fund benefits if they were killed, maimed, or imprisoned.

When the PA was formed, it took over the government functions being performed by the PLO including what passed for social welfare and veteran's benefits. But the PA handed the Martyr's Fund back to the PLO due to the politics of making payments to the families of terrorists at a time when the PA is pursuing international support for the Palestinian State.

So what? That doesn't change the fact that most Martyr's Fund payments go to terrorists or their survivors.

And Martyr's Fund payments are at the full amount while just about everyone's salaries are at half. In other words, funding terror is more important than funding society.

 

[Elixir]

That doesn't change the fact that most Martyr's Fund payments go to terrorists or their survivors.

Oh, boo hoo. $982k in EIGHTEEN YEARS!!
That's a whopping $50k/yr TOTAL. If that's "most of their budget" and they are able to grab headlines to this extent, we should be praising their efficiency and emulating their style of government!
Why is it so hard to understand that this is a YUUUUGE nothingburger? The people oppressing them are getting more than TWO MILLION TIMES that amount EVERY YEAR of YOUR MONEY!! WAKE UP!

That's more than two million American taxpayer dollars EACH YEAR for every single dollar the Palestinians can muster to pay over EIGHTEEN YEARS for what little dirty work they can get done.
WTF is wrong with y'all?

 

[Arctish]

The PLO manages the Martyr's Fund and disburses payments.

When the PLO set up the Martyr's Fund, it didn't distinguish between protesters, defensive fighters, offensive fighters, and terrorists. They were all seen as people who resisted the Zionist takeover of Palestinian lands, and were therefore qualified for Martyr's Fund benefits if they were killed, maimed, or imprisoned.

When the PA was formed, it took over the government functions being performed by the PLO including what passed for social welfare and veteran's benefits. But the PA handed the Martyr's Fund back to the PLO due to the politics of making payments to the families of terrorists at a time when the PA is pursuing international support for the Palestinian State.

So what?

Some posters care about facts. They try very hard to have an accurate understanding of situations before they offer comments.

The Martyr's Fund isn't a government program. The PLO created it back in the 1960s and manages it today. The PA when it was first formed managed the Fund for a few years, but disassociated itself a while ago. So if you want to criticize the PA for the Martyr's Fund, you have to limit your criticism to the years when the PA was involved.

That doesn't change the fact that most Martyr's Fund payments go to terrorists or their survivors.

And Martyr's Fund payments are at the full amount while just about everyone's salaries are at half. In other words, funding terror is more important than funding society.

Source? I'm pretty sure the last time we talked about the Fund it was established that most of the funds go to prisoners and their families, and most of the prisoners weren't terrorists.