Sean Spicer: Hitler didn't use chemical weapons on his own people

[fromderinside]

Typically, the internet is having a field day ripping Spicer a new one.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/sea...ical-weapons-and-the-webs-response-is-brutal/

And Russia did align itself with Hitler who did use chemical weapons. Spicer is an embarrassment even by Trumpian standards.

I was wondering why Russia had to defend Stalingrad or later destroy Berlin.

 

[J842P]

And Russia did align itself with Hitler who did use chemical weapons. Spicer is an embarrassment even by Trumpian standards.

I was wondering why Russia had to defend Stalingrad or later destroy Berlin.

The "alignment" laughing dog is speaking of is the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Of course, what is left out is that the USSR tried desperately to ally itself with the Western powers against the Germans. Hitler spoken openly about his plans to exterminate the slavs in an existential war. Neither side believed this was anything other than a bid to buy time, the Germans to conquer Western Europe, and the USSR to buy as much time to build up it's armies for the coming war, which they knew was inevitable.

Operation Barbarossa would be the main stage for WW2, and the German advance through the Soviet Union was down-right murderous. Not only did you have the efforts of the infamous Einsatzgruppen eliminating Slavic Jews and communists by the millions, but in addition entire populations were being exterminated by the Wehrmacht using guns, drowning, and bayonets to kill millions of slavs (which the Nazi ideology saw as untermenschen). 5 million red army soldiers died, 3 million being starved when they were taken as prisoners of war. A total of 27 million Soviets would die, the bulk of them civilians.

 

[Underseer]

Wonkette had a pretty amazing rant about this whole thing:

https://wonkette.com/615417/idea-how-about-sean-spicer-shut-his-fucking-mouth-about-jews-forever

Although I don't understand what would a accomplished by firing Spicer. Anyone they replace him with is likely to be just as stupid and just as fascist.

 

[bilby]

And Russia did align itself with Hitler who did use chemical weapons. Spicer is an embarrassment even by Trumpian standards.

I was wondering why Russia had to defend Stalingrad or later destroy Berlin.

That would be because nations tend to change their alignment when they are invaded by other nations with whom they have had a non-aggression pact.

 

[Underseer]

Let's see, during the campaign, Trump received the endorsement of every KKK group and every neo-Nazi group.

Trump has fascists as advisors, including one who likes to wear Nazi paraphernalia in public.

Who could have imagined that an administration like this could have made such offensive comments about Jews again and again?

Other than everyone, that is.

 

[repoman]

So, why didn't Hitler use chemical weapons on the battlefield, despite all of the atrocities he ordered in the death camps?

Was it only because he had first hand experienced gassing during WWI and felt it was wrong? He was also vegetarian for his own ethical reasons. He was nothing it not inconsistent in his own morality.

Or did he not use chemical weapons because of lack of effectiveness and PR blowback?

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On a side note, while it is very possible that Assad ordered a sarin attack, it is also possible it hit a warehouse with other chemicals or that someone else did a Sarin attack. The truth of the incident is important to uncover.

Now tongue tied Spicer is the story and it will be even harder to focus on the truth of the incident. Granted, Trump would not want the truth uncovered if it showed Assad did not use Sarin - given that he attacked under that pretense.

 

[LordKiran]

So, why didn't Hitler use chemical weapons on the battlefield, despite all of the atrocities he ordered in the death camps?

Was it only because he had first hand experienced gassing during WWI and felt it was wrong? He was also vegetarian for his own ethical reasons. He was nothing it not inconsistent in his own morality.

Or did he not use chemical weapons because of lack of effectiveness and PR blowback?

But he did, quite regularly. I don't know why you think it technically doesn't constitute "Using chemical weapons" When deploying it in a deathcamp.

Can you explain to me the practical distinction between capturing the civilians of an enemy nation and then exterminating them with chemical agents and dropping gas bombs on their homes? Because from where I sit, the only notable difference is the number of steps. The moral/ethical implications are exactly the same.

 

[repoman]

So, why didn't Hitler use chemical weapons on the battlefield, despite all of the atrocities he ordered in the death camps?

Was it only because he had first hand experienced gassing during WWI and felt it was wrong? He was also vegetarian for his own ethical reasons. He was nothing it not inconsistent in his own morality.

Or did he not use chemical weapons because of lack of effectiveness and PR blowback?

But he did, quite regularly. I don't know why you think it technically doesn't constitute "Using chemical weapons" When deploying it in a deathcamp.

Can you explain to me the practical distinction between capturing the civilians of an enemy nation and then exterminating them with chemical agents and dropping gas bombs on their homes?

I said battlefield usage of chemical weapons

The practical distinction is that battlefield usage is out in the open and will be instantly known to the enemy. Brazenness in a word. So Assad is either more brazen than Hitler or like in 2013 he did not use Sarin this time as well.

Hitler cowardly gassed people in camps you could say.

 

[LordKiran]

But he did, quite regularly. I don't know why you think it technically doesn't constitute "Using chemical weapons" When deploying it in a deathcamp.

Can you explain to me the practical distinction between capturing the civilians of an enemy nation and then exterminating them with chemical agents and dropping gas bombs on their homes?

I said battlefield usage of chemical weapons

So what? As if that's somehow magically better or worse than how he actually used them? I mean if you want to talk about a distinction without a difference...And even if we side-step the difference between civilians and enemy combatants for just a moment...Killing wartime enemies with chemical agents is killing wartime enemies with chemical agents. What am I not making clear here?

Are you that much of a contrarian that you're going to use Hitler's precise use of chem. weapons based on nothing more than a flimsy language technicality as a means to denigrate Assad? Fucking really?

 

[laughing dog]

But he did, quite regularly. I don't know why you think it technically doesn't constitute "Using chemical weapons" When deploying it in a deathcamp.

Can you explain to me the practical distinction between capturing the civilians of an enemy nation and then exterminating them with chemical agents and dropping gas bombs on their homes?

I said battlefield usage of chemical weapons

The practical distinction is that battlefield usage is out in the open and will be instantly known to the enemy. Brazenness in a word. So Assad is either more brazen than Hitler or like in 2013 he did not use Sarin this time as well.

Hitler cowardly gassed people in camps you could say.

None of which is relevant to Spicer's ignorant comment.

 

[repoman]

The response is different because the enemy does not know people are being gassed in camps.

They would know if gas was used in a battle and would likely begin committing severe counter atrocities in response, if not gas them killing POWs right away or something.

 

[LordKiran]

The response is different because the enemy does not know people are being gassed in camps.

They would know if gas was used in a battle and would likely begin committing severe counter atrocities in response, if not gas them killing POWs right away or something.

Okay but we're talking about the moral and ethical implications of their actions, remember? The entire reason I'm all up on my indignation totem pole is because you tried to compare Assad unfavorably with hitler because "At least when Hitler gassed people, he kept it secret."

Do you really not see how utterly insane that sounds?

 

[repoman]

I said battlefield usage of chemical weapons

The practical distinction is that battlefield usage is out in the open and will be instantly known to the enemy. Brazenness in a word. So Assad is either more brazen than Hitler or like in 2013 he did not use Sarin this time as well.

Hitler cowardly gassed people in camps you could say.

None of which is relevant to Spicer's ignorant comment.

I am not so sure, his comment was very muddled, he was probably thinking about gas bombing which Hitler did not do. Then he brought a bunch of other random BS in his head. It was a trainwreck like much of his other pressers.

 

[LordKiran]

And for the record, I understand that the point you're trying to make is a minor one-off comment and it isn't as if you're a fan of Hitler, but for some reason that really ruffles my jimjams.

 

[repoman]

The response is different because the enemy does not know people are being gassed in camps.

They would know if gas was used in a battle and would likely begin committing severe counter atrocities in response, if not gas them killing POWs right away or something.

Okay but we're talking about the moral and ethical implications of their actions, remember? The entire reason I'm all up on my indignation totem pole is because you tried to compare Assad unfavorably with hitler because "At least when Hitler gassed people, he kept it secret."

Do you really not see how utterly insane that sounds?

Hitler was concerned with having the image of being a just ruler, having people know he used chemical weapons would harm that. He didn't care about actually being just which is why he used them secretly.

 

[Underseer]

None of which is relevant to Spicer's ignorant comment.

I am not so sure, his comment was very muddled, he was probably thinking about gas bombing which Hitler did not do. Then he brought a bunch of other random BS in his head. It was a trainwreck like much of his other pressers.

Also, Hitler was a white male, so we have to judge him by a lower standard. White people are inherently inferior, so we simply can't judge them by the same higher standard we judge everyone else.

 

[Underseer]

None of which is relevant to Spicer's ignorant comment.

I am not so sure, his comment was very muddled, he was probably thinking about gas bombing which Hitler did not do. Then he brought a bunch of other random BS in his head. It was a trainwreck like much of his other pressers.

Also, Hitler was a white male, so we have to judge him by a lower standard. White people are inheredntly inferior, so we simply can't judge them by the same higher standard we judge everyone else.

Therefore, Assad was more evil. As a non-white person, he should have known better. We can't expect white people to understand why it's wrong to gas millions of people to death. They're kind of slow, you know? I mean, just look at how many civilians died in Iraq for crying out loud. I think the tendency for mass murder is simply genetic or something with them.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I am not so sure, his comment was very muddled, he was probably thinking about gas bombing which Hitler did not do. Then he brought a bunch of other random BS in his head. It was a trainwreck like much of his other pressers.

Also, Hitler was a white male, so we have to judge him by a lower standard. White people are inheredntly inferior, so we simply can't judge them by the same higher standard we judge everyone else.

Therefore, Assad was more evil. As a non-white person, he should have known better. We can't expect white people to understand why it's wrong to gas millions of people to death. They're kind of slow, you know? I mean, just look at how many civilians died in Iraq for crying out loud. I think the tendency for mass murder is simply genetic or something with them.

Hitler didn't gas London. The fact that Hitler didn't gas London doesn't really mean much when it comes to Assad and is a needless Nazi comparison. What Assad did was wrong and what Hitler did or oversaw was monstrous.

Fuck Assad, fuck Hitler, and Spicer, I hope he enjoys more time with the family.

 

[ZiprHead]

This is a strawman to many conservatives:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Wicca & Witchcraft/burning_man_festivals.htm
In the U.S., the number of earth-worshipping pagans at the Burning Man Festivals have grown to tens of thousands. People come from Canada, Brazil, Germany, Russia, and 25 other countries to an isolated corner of Black Rock Desert in Nevada, where other Wiccans, Satanists, goddesses, nudists, and a consortium of party-goers converge on the hot Nevada desert for a Labor Day weekend of "glorious Hell on earth."

Damn! (calling my travel agent)

 

[LordKiran]

Okay but we're talking about the moral and ethical implications of their actions, remember? The entire reason I'm all up on my indignation totem pole is because you tried to compare Assad unfavorably with hitler because "At least when Hitler gassed people, he kept it secret."

Do you really not see how utterly insane that sounds?

Hitler was concerned with having the image of being a just ruler, having people know he used chemical weapons would harm that. He didn't care about actually being just which is why he used them secretly.

Starting to feel like you're just typing past me at this point. What you just typed does nothing to acknowledge anything in the post you quoted.

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Okay but we're talking about the moral and ethical implications of their actions, remember? The entire reason I'm all up on my indignation totem pole is because you tried to compare Assad unfavorably with hitler because "At least when Hitler gassed people, he kept it secret."

Do you really not see how utterly insane that sounds?

Hitler was concerned with having the image of being a just ruler, having people know he used chemical weapons would harm that. He didn't care about actually being just which is why he used them secretly.

Starting to feel like you're just typing past me at this point. What you just typed does nothing to acknowledge anything in the post you quoted.