laughing dog
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That does not address my point.
Solves the problem of illegal entrants. Whether the attendant benefits outweigh the costs is a different matter.
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Derec
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It's funny you think that 19th century poems on statues gifted to us by France in 1886 should constitute a basis for our immigration policy in the 21st century.
In those days it was much more difficult to get to borders and the population numbers were far less. We do not need that many immigrants these days.
Ins't this a TOU violation?
It's a fallacy to think that because some immigration is good that all immigration must be good and that we therefore need unlimited immgration and open borders. Salt is necessary for life but too much will lead to health problems and may even kill you.
MS13 started in LA but by Salvadoran immigrants and it expanded to El Salvador. And some of the fakefugees coming across the border have been MS13 bangers.
Jason Harvestdancer
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He didn't say "politician", he said "conservative", but then you knew that already.
laughing dog
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The relevant part of the quote is "Are there any conservatives or politicians that are self professed libertarians". Please read more carefully.
Derec
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It did. If you take in a significant portion of the 3rd world your culture and institutions will be replaced by the much bigger number of 3rd world invaders.
It much the same way legalizing holding up banks would "solve" the problem of bank robberies.
laughing dog
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You confuse your assumptions with fact.
Jason Harvestdancer
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I will use quotation marks to isolate the phrases.
"conservatives"
"politicians that are self professed libertarians".
He wasn't giving us a choice between conservatives and politicians, he was giving us a choice between conservatives and libertarians. But then you knew that already.
laughing dog
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Yes, I did. And apparently you know it now. So how is that making unfair and unjust groupings?
Derec
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Of course. We are talking about things that have not happened yet and may not happen depending on what policies are implemented.
There are no facts that are set. However, there is historical precedent that large scale people movements displace the original inhabitants and permanently change the culture. Turkic invasion of Asia Minor displaced the original cultures of the peninsula in favor of what is now Turkey. Anglo-Saxon invasion of the British Isles largely displaced the Gaelic culture these islands had and replaced them with a Germanic one. And so on.
laughing dog
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Thank you for your admission. And thank you for admitting you are conflating invasion with migration.
Derec
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Admission of what? That we can't deal with facts when talking about future possibilities.
Not that different when dealing with an amount of people that overwhelms the native population. I mean it's already happening in Europe. Parts of big cities resemble Middle East more than they do Europe.
Jason Harvestdancer
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He's grouping libertarians and conservatives together.
What is the opinion of Minnesotans and professed members of NAMBLA on the age of consent?
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I disagree. There's an important difference between what he wrote and what you've written:
No I'm not.
"self professed libertarians" should have been clear enough a distinction between actual libertarians and the fake ones parading around calling themselves the "freedom caucus" in typical ultra-conservative double speak marketing names a la "alliance defending freedom" .
That is why I asked J.H. what I did. His position is well in line with normal libertarian thought on immigration. I will usually go to CATO for data and supporting arguments when I am arguing with the hard core right wingers that are just flat out anti-immigration when they are throwing false statements at me about the immigrant risk to safety, security, and the economy. What has me flummoxed is complete absence of such pro-immigrant policy from any non-leftists in Washington. I know they exist. It is almost as if they are willing to let Trump beat the scary anti-immigrant drum as long as they get their tax cuts and the wrecking ball keeps rolling through EPA, NMFS, Interior, etc...
I notice that J.H. has not written a word to Derec in this thread since my initial post here but has posted several times to express outrage at my statement. That is in spite of Derec's opinion on immigration being polar opposite to his and Derec's having called J.H. position "completely bonkers".
laughing dog
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No he is not. He is asking if there any conservatives OR politicians that are self professed libertarians that are advocating for such a liberal entry policy? He simply narrowed down the field to 2 different groups. And I suspect he asked you because you are self proclaimed libertarian (one of the groups) you might know some politician who is a self-proclaimed libertarian who takes your position.
I do not know of any Minnesotans who are also professed members of NAMBLA. So I have no idea and I have no idea how that question is remotely related to the OP discussion.
laughing dog
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Except your examples were invasions that, so, of course it is different. Then add in your supposition of about 8.5% of the world's population migrating to the USA in a ten or twenty year period, and your question cannot be taken as a serious concern but as a reflection of bigoted fear.
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Jason Harvestdancer
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What is the opinion of Minnesotans or professed members of NAMBLA on the age of consent?
laughing dog
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7 or donkey kong