Shamed Nobel laureate Tim Hunt ‘ruined by rush to judgment after stupid remarks’

[Derec]

This is a message. Don't talk like that in professional settings.

Unless you a black woman. Then you can say whatever sexist and racist bullshit you want knowing that you will be protected by political correctness even if you've literally been just hired and don't have tenure.

 

[Nexus]

He didn't just run off or get emotional because of criticism, he was forced out of his career.

First, I doubt he would have been sacked, I don't think he was forced to do anything.

Of course he was forced out, its not like he was coincidentally planning a job change before he made the joke.

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

This is a message. Don't talk like that in professional settings.

Unless you a black woman. Then you can say whatever sexist and racist bullshit you want knowing that you will be protected by political correctness even if you've literally been just hired and don't have tenure.

How often does this happen?

 

[Derec]

How often does this happen?

It happened recently. Remember Saida Grundy? She is still employed by BU and has a lot of supporters on the Left.

 

[untermensche]

This is a message. Don't talk like that in professional settings.

Unless you a black woman. Then you can say whatever sexist and racist bullshit you want knowing that you will be protected by political correctness even if you've literally been just hired and don't have tenure.

Again, I said the situation was unfair.

But it was a clear message.

Unfortunately a man had to be hurt to show the seriousness of the message.

As far as other people and the things they say, many times circumstance allows some to get away with language that is just as disturbing to some.

The world has not reached the state of perfection it once had.

And women are saying don't call us emotional toys for your amusement.

 

[Axulus]

I'm puzzled by the idea that social media is 'innately cruel'. Nobody on social media made up a lie about his words.

Also, what price has Mary Collins paid? No action was taken against her.

I think it is more along the lines of a rush to judgment and spreading a one sided view of events in order to ruin a person's career and reputation.

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A bit overreaction much?

By whom?

By the University that forced him out and by everyone calling for him to be booted from his job.

 

[Derec]

As far as other people and the things they say, many times circumstance allows some to get away with language that is just as disturbing to some.

It's not random "circumstance", it's bias of the sexist and racist double standards.

 

[untermensche]

As far as other people and the things they say, many times circumstance allows some to get away with language that is just as disturbing to some.

It's not random "circumstance", it's bias of the sexist and racist double standards.

As I said, life is not as perfect as it once was.

Groups that have been oppressed many times have more leeway than those in a group that has been oppressing.

Women were oppressed by men in the sciences for centuries.

 

[Bronzeage]

This is a message. Don't talk like that in professional settings.

Unless you a black woman. Then you can say whatever sexist and racist bullshit you want knowing that you will be protected by political correctness even if you've literally been just hired and don't have tenure.

Yeah, black women have it so easy. You have to wonder why they aren't running the world.

 

[laughing dog]

By the University that forced him out and by everyone calling for him to be booted from his job.

No one forced him out. He resigned because he would call their bluff (assuming he actually was threatened with a sacking). No way they'd fire a Nobel Laureate for a bad joke.

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

How often does this happen?

It happened recently. Remember Saida Grundy? She is still employed by BU and has a lot of supporters on the Left.

That does not answer the question I asked. I know that incident happened, especially as you've brought it up more than once in this thread and you've mentioned it in other threads. The thing is, you make it out as if this is standard operating procedure rather than individual decisions which are handed out case by case. I guess my confusion stems from the relevance of rehashing that particular case. It's not related specifically to Tim Hunt's case that I can see, so I have to wonder if you are making a general point or a point of principle. But if you have only an isolated case for us to examine it's not particularly useful when discussing what is generally true, and if you are making a point of principle, I don't know what it is.

 

[laughing dog]

First, I doubt he would have been sacked, I don't think he was forced to do anything.

Of course he was forced out, its not like he was coincidentally planning a job change before he made the joke.

It is your contention that somehow his employer made a reknown Nobel prize winner resign against his will and better judgment based on the comment of his wife. Perhaps I could interest you in purchasing the Brooklyn bridge?

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

Of course he was forced out, its not like he was coincidentally planning a job change before he made the joke.

It is your contention that somehow his employer made a reknown Nobel prize winner resign against his will and better judgment based on the comment of his wife. Perhaps I could interest you in purchasing the Brooklyn bridge?

I don't really get your perspective. There is nothing naïve or gullible about accepting the notion that he was given the option to resign, as a courtesy, rather than be let go.

 

[KeepTalking]

So a male Nobel laureate says something politically incorrect about women and promptly loses his job.
An incoming black and female junior professor says sexist and racist things about white men and gets to keep hers and is even lauded by many who share her racism and sexism.

But no, people on FRDB insist that there are no double standards.

Do both individuals work for the same academic institution?

Since they do not, it is not a double standard.

 

[laughing dog]

It is your contention that somehow his employer made a reknown Nobel prize winner resign against his will and better judgment based on the comment of his wife. Perhaps I could interest you in purchasing the Brooklyn bridge?

I don't really get your perspective. There is nothing naïve or gullible about accepting the notion that he was given the option to resign, as a courtesy, rather than be let go.

He may have been given the option, but I think the threat to sack was a bluff. Even if it was sincere (i.e. not a bluff), why not force his employer to look the like an over-reacting imbecilic jackass by firing him over a bad joke?

I think that either this guy is not very clever outside of his field or there is more to this story we don't know.

 

[KeepTalking]

It happened recently. Remember Saida Grundy? She is still employed by BU and has a lot of supporters on the Left.

That does not answer the question I asked. I know that incident happened, especially as you've brought it up more than once in this thread and you've mentioned it in other threads. The thing is, you make it out as if this is standard operating procedure rather than individual decisions which are handed out case by case. I guess my confusion stems from the relevance of rehashing that particular case. It's not related specifically to Tim Hunt's case that I can see, so I have to wonder if you are making a general point or a point of principle. But if you have only an isolated case for us to examine it's not particularly useful when discussing what is generally true, and if you are making a point of principle, I don't know what it is.

Well, it's not a hobby horse if you don't ride it until the legs fall off.

 

[Toni]

I don't really get your perspective. There is nothing naïve or gullible about accepting the notion that he was given the option to resign, as a courtesy, rather than be let go.

He may have been given the option, but I think the threat to sack was a bluff. Even if it was sincere (i.e. not a bluff), why not force his employer to look the like an over-reacting imbecilic jackass by firing him over a bad joke?

I think that either this guy is not very clever outside of his field or there is more to this story we don't know.

Well, he's British so there's that.

I also wonder if there isn't something else going on.

 

[TSwizzle]

When are the authorities going to arrest Hunt for this heinous hate crime ?

 

[ronburgundy]

That's the problem with men in science. If you dare criticise them they run off in a strop.

Men are too emotional when it comes to criticism.

He didn't get criticized. He got fired, lost his income, essentially blacklisted from getting another job, and lost his ability to do what he was was passionate about, which incidentally included training female scientists and heading efforts to promote more women in science.

 

[ronburgundy]

He didn't just run off or get emotional because of criticism, he was forced out of his career.

First, I doubt he would have been sacked, I don't think he was forced to do anything. Second, I seriously doubt that there are not plenty of research facilities and universities who would gladly pick up a tarnished Nobel laureate, so if his career is over, that is his decision.

So as always, you are just blatantly ignoring the facts and inventing a fictional world to defend your views.
His wife was told directly by a senior administrator that he was going to be fired the next day, if he did not resign. Also, all the same rabid ideologues that pressured his resignation would have pressured any other place that tried to hire him. Regardless, those ideologues wanted him fired and out of science, so even if he had avoided that outcome, it wouldn't change the degree of over-reaction inherent to anyone who thought or thinks that he should lose his job.