Should white local people be encouraged to work as domestic servants in order to curb immigration?

[iolo]

Nobody with any self-respect would act as another's personal servant, surely? It is disgusting.

Self-respect or not, you'd do it if you had to put food on your kid's table. Pride doesn't last long when your kids are hungry.

Hardly, while I could steal or beg.

 

[iolo]

Nobody with any self-respect would act as another's personal servant, surely? It is disgusting.

Why is that? Do you find the person who brings you a plate in cafe to be disgusting?

He/she is not a personal servant.

 

[iolo]

Self-respect or not, you'd do it if you had to put food on your kid's table. Pride doesn't last long when your kids are hungry.

Like the bar-girl in the Philippines once told me: "You'd be surprised what you'd put in your mouth when your hungry".

Like it. Reminds me of the blokes in the slate quarry who used mercilessly to take the piss out of Sioni, their tea-boy, who was a bit simple. There came a Revival, and they all examined their consciences and apologised for their past behaviour, promising reform. Sioni was overcome: 'We, thank you, boys', said he, 'and just for that I'm going to stop pissing in your tea!'

 

[Deepak]

Why is that? Do you find the person who brings you a plate in cafe to be disgusting?

He/she is not a personal servant.

What's a personal servant as you define it?

 

[whichphilosophy]

If Britain did not import labour it would still fill the jobs it needs, as it has done historically.

 

[Bronzeage]

Why is that? Do you find the person who brings you a plate in cafe to be disgusting?

He/she is not a personal servant.

Where do you draw the line? If a person employs a cook to work in their home and serve meals, is that disgusting?

 

[Keith&Co.]

He/she is not a personal servant.

Where do you draw the line?

Probably the dangle.

That Quantum Leap episode where Sam leaps into the body of a guy to find that he's kneeling down, holding boxer shorts for his naked boss to step into. Maybe if you don't ever see the boss' dangle, it's not all that personal?

 

[iolo]

He/she is not a personal servant.

What's a personal servant as you define it?

Someone. obviously, who works directly for one other person, like a body slave.

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He/she is not a personal servant.

Where do you draw the line? If a person employs a cook to work in their home and serve meals, is that disgusting?

Yes

 

[TV and credit cards]

Self-respect or not, you'd do it if you had to put food on your kid's table. Pride doesn't last long when your kids are hungry.

Hardly, while I could steal or beg.

Like the bar-girl in the Philippines once told me: "You'd be surprised what you'd put in your mouth when your hungry".

Like it. Reminds me of the blokes in the slate quarry who used mercilessly to take the piss out of Sioni, their tea-boy, who was a bit simple. There came a Revival, and they all examined their consciences and apologised for their past behaviour, promising reform. Sioni was overcome: 'We, thank you, boys', said he, 'and just for that I'm going to stop pissing in your tea!'

Steal? You'd risk prison and your kids fending for themselves on the streets to save your pride?
Beg? Beg where? Your country of origin where obviously many of your fellow countrymen will be in similar dire straits?
I don't think I understand your Sioni the tea-boy story. I don't think you understand hunger.

 

[iolo]

Hardly, while I could steal or beg.

Like the bar-girl in the Philippines once told me: "You'd be surprised what you'd put in your mouth when your hungry".

Like it. Reminds me of the blokes in the slate quarry who used mercilessly to take the piss out of Sioni, their tea-boy, who was a bit simple. There came a Revival, and they all examined their consciences and apologised for their past behaviour, promising reform. Sioni was overcome: 'We, thank you, boys', said he, 'and just for that I'm going to stop pissing in your tea!'

Steal? You'd risk prison and your kids fending for themselves on the streets to save your pride?
Beg? Beg where? Your country of origin where obviously many of your fellow countrymen will be in similar dire straits?
I don't think I understand your Sioni the tea-boy story. I don't think you understand hunger.

I doubt I'd risk much - I am bright enough to succeed in most fields, and our police aren't that hot. If you can't manage better, surely prostitution would pay more?

 

[Bar-Jesus]

Nobody with any self-respect would act as another's personal servant, surely? It is disgusting.

That's right, although I don't mind employing hookers on an hourly basis, but having a cleaner, no sir, that's just idle rich stuff

 

[Bar-Jesus]

Not sure how cutting welfare even further will do it.
Also not sure on how using state resources will have any effect.

The idea being that if people are short enough of money then they are more likely to do these shit kind of jobs, and some tax money can be used to pay people to do this - not all will do it, but some would

 

[Bar-Jesus]

/QUOTE]Then why are you bothering with 'encouraging the locals' bullshit? You're doing it backwards.


4) And then figure some way to police the business that remain profitable by hiring illegals to do the jobs immigrants had been doing and locals won't, not for the prices the businesses think they should have to pay for the labor....

that's easy, just go round checking, anyone who's a migger without docs is out, and the employer/landlord fined, how hard can that be?

 

[funinspace]

Not sure how cutting welfare even further will do it.
Also not sure on how using state resources will have any effect.

The idea being that if people are short enough of money then they are more likely to do these shit kind of jobs, and some tax money can be used to pay people to do this - not all will do it, but some would

Food for thought. Nearly 60% of SNAP recipients are children and the elderly. And many of the recipient work, but sometimes it just isn't enough working in shit kind of jobs:
http://billmoyers.com/2013/10/08/six-myths-about-food-stamps/

“Over 30 percent of SNAP households had earnings in 2011 and 41 percent of all SNAP participants lived in a household with earnings.”

But if you want to talk about welfare Queens, this from the same article talks of well to do congressional critters sucking of the fed's teats, while basically saying screw the poor:

Interestingly, a number of members of Congress disparage food stamps while receiving farm subsidies. Rep. Vicki Hartzler (R-MO) said, “This program is known for waste, fraud and abuse.” (Halter has received $516,000 in farm subsidies.) Kristi Noem (R-SD) said, “Loopholes and fraud …have led to federal spending on SNAP to increase 270 percent.” (Noem has received $503,000 in farm subsidies.) And Rep. Doug Lamalfa (R-CA) said that churches are more “accountable” at helping the poor than government. He said government has “failed” at helping the poor, so we should “retract” the program. (Lamalfa has received more than $1.7 million in farm subsidies.)

Welfare isn't the line items breaking the fed piggy bank...

 

[hinduwoman]

What's a personal servant as you define it?

Someone. obviously, who works directly for one other person, like a body slave.

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He/she is not a personal servant.

Where do you draw the line? If a person employs a cook to work in their home and serve meals, is that disgusting?

Yes

I don't understand this. He is providing you with labour for which he is compensated. It is exactly like you are being a good little drone in your office cubicle working for a corporation and getting paid for it. So why a line?

 

[funinspace]

Someone. obviously, who works directly for one other person, like a body slave.

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He/she is not a personal servant.

Where do you draw the line? If a person employs a cook to work in their home and serve meals, is that disgusting?

Yes

I don't understand this. He is providing you with labour for which he is compensated. It is exactly like you are being a good little drone in your office cubicle working for a corporation and getting paid for it. So why a line?

There are a few people that it has become part of their ideology to think such as far as I can tell. Yeah, it makes no sense. Some of the what I would call personal assistants or private service labor make far better wages than lots of Walmart or fast food jobs. My parents had good friends who basically were caretakers for a wealthy person's property/house. From everything I heard they loved their near retirement "job". Babysitting, yard services, drivers, house keeping, cooks/chefs, personal trainers are all part of personal services which are pretty normal jobs IMPOV.

 

[SimpleDon]

This is one of the main causes of mass immigration - ie: local whites would prefer not to work as domestic servants, cleaners, nannies etc..so we just get in immigrants instead. This problem is further exacerbated by the availability of welfare which, in UK at least, pays the same as min wage

So surely the answer lies in this mix somewhere?

My son and daughter in law just hired what we called a domestic who is white. But she is called a home manager.

A domestic cooked and cleaned, shopped for groceries and took care of the kids. A home manager does all of these and the main difference is that they are called home managers.

Perhaps this is the secret, to call the person who does the work a manager. Or better yet, an engineer.

 

[funinspace]

Yes, we have Sanitation Engineers that drive by our house once a week

 

[SimpleDon]

See, first generation immigrants bust their asses for low wages so successive ones don't have to. Not only do they not have to, they don't want to. That's just the nature of the way things work.

You use the word "encourage". Encourage how? You got a plan twittering around in there. I'd love to hear it.

Sure, here's the plan:

1. Cut welfare down to size
2. Employ farm workers etc through the state (local people only)

That will push some into work

In the US we have cut welfare down to size. It is a temporary program only and most of the people on it are children.

Here is a better plan,

1. Increase wages to eliminate poverty for those who work.
2. Increase legal immigration to provide net population growth more in line with the growth in the economy.
3. Stop shipping so many of our jobs offshore to suppress wages in our respective countries.
4. Stop encouraging illegal immigration to suppress wages in our respective countries.

 

[Bronzeage]

What's a personal servant as you define it?

Someone. obviously, who works directly for one other person, like a body slave.

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He/she is not a personal servant.

Where do you draw the line? If a person employs a cook to work in their home and serve meals, is that disgusting?

Yes

Since you would prefer to be either a beggar or a thief, to trading work for honest wages, it seems your copy of the social contract has different text than mine.

My contract specifies that is is bad to choose to be a parasite on society and if I choose to be a beggar or thief, I am a bad person.