So how does Miscarriage fit into god's master plan?

[abaddon]

... wasn't it Augustine who depicted the saved looking down on the damned with glee as they roasted for eternity?

"That the saints may enjoy their beatitude and the grace of God more richly, a perfect sight of the punishment of the damned is granted them."

~ St. Thomas Aquinas​

 

[Lion IRC]

If sending people to Heaven was a high priority, God could just create people in Heaven.
But if everyone was in Heaven, it wouldn't be special. God has to have some people in Hell in order for the Chosen to feel special about their status.

Fuck God's priorities. Regardless of what he wants, why not just hack the system and get everybody into heaven, no more human race, no more need for Hell? Although I think you're onto something, wasn't it Augustine who depicted the saved looking down on the damned with glee as they roasted for eternity?

What makes you think that killing the babies (God created) is necessary in order for them to be saved?

They can be saved WITHOUT any help from a homocidal maniac. (Thanks all the same)

 

[sharon45]

Fuck God's priorities. Regardless of what he wants, why not just hack the system and get everybody into heaven, no more human race, no more need for Hell? Although I think you're onto something, wasn't it Augustine who depicted the saved looking down on the damned with glee as they roasted for eternity?

What makes you think that killing the babies (God created) is necessary in order for them to be saved?

They can be saved WITHOUT any help from a homocidal maniac. (Thanks all the same)

Ha, they certainly can not be saved by Christianity or its fabled gods.

 

[Lion IRC]

... wasn't it Augustine who depicted the saved looking down on the damned with glee as they roasted for eternity?

"That the saints may enjoy their beatitude and the grace of God more richly, a perfect sight of the punishment of the damned is granted them."

~ St. Thomas Aquinas​

That's horrible !

I'm sure everybody would much prefer this.

 

[sharon45]

"That the saints may enjoy their beatitude and the grace of God more richly, a perfect sight of the punishment of the damned is granted them."

~ St. Thomas Aquinas​

That's horrible !

I'm sure everybody would much prefer this.

Hey, if you think that is bad, try stomaching much of the Bible.

 

[Lion IRC]

Yes, there's heaps of violence and vengeance and furious anger in the bible.
Shocking

 

[sharon45]

Yes, there's heaps of violence and vengeance and furious anger in the bible.
Shocking

Along with lies and manipulations done by its god.

 

[Lion IRC]

God doesn't lie
See Titus 1:2

 

[Eldarion Lathria]

God doesn't lie
See Titus 1:2

Neither does the Party. The deceptions are necessary to fool the Imperialists.

Eldarion Lathria

 

[sharon45]

God doesn't lie
See Titus 1:2

Of course the Christian god lies. Just read one of the few times it supposedly talks in the NT:

And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

 

[Learner]

No, and no, it does not.

You keep thinking I mean in the phrase, that context in your variation use of "common sense". Would it be clearer if I mean't in the logical sense then?

Wisdom is always free to anyone who is humble.

I don't disagree with that. So its not really extremely rare then ? You didn't clarify context.

Again, it is groupthink, like Christians assuming their god loves them. They all think it, but at best, there is only evidence to the contrary from the Bible.

Every one uses the term which is not exclusive to Christians ...a rather big group think which of course suggests "common sense" have several implied words associated to this phrase include your definition.

Miriam Webster:

Synonym Discussion of common sense, sense, common sense, judgment, wisdom mean ability to reach intelligent conclusions. sense implies a reliable ability to judge and decide with soundness, prudence, and intelligence.

⟨a choice showing good sense⟩

common sense suggests an average degree of such ability without sophistication or special knowledge.

⟨common sense tells me it's wrong⟩

judgment implies sense tempered and refined by experience, training, and maturity.

⟨they relied on her judgment for guidance⟩

wisdom implies sense and judgment far above average.

⟨a leader of rare wisdom⟩

That is still a fallacy.

A 'leader of rare wisdom' I'll use here. (Perhaps thats what you mean't earlier in rare).

Humble is being honest with yourself and others. Not exactly for Jesus and Christians.

No problem with humble . Not for Jesus - you have to point that one bit of scripture out. Unless its a generalised opinion like Rams.

 

[PyramidHead]

Fuck God's priorities. Regardless of what he wants, why not just hack the system and get everybody into heaven, no more human race, no more need for Hell? Although I think you're onto something, wasn't it Augustine who depicted the saved looking down on the damned with glee as they roasted for eternity?

What makes you think that killing the babies (God created) is necessary in order for them to be saved?

They can be saved WITHOUT any help from a homocidal maniac. (Thanks all the same)

Just doing a basic risk reward analysis. Killed as a baby, no chance of hell. Grows up into an adult, chance of hell. What's so bad about sparing someone the risk of eternal torment?

 

[sharon45]

You keep thinking I mean in the phrase, that context in your variation use of "common sense". Would it be clearer if I mean't in the logical sense then?

I keep stating a different understanding for the popular meaning to "common sense," both of which Christians do not grasp, or else they would no longer follow their disgusting belief.

Wisdom is always free to anyone who is humble.

I don't disagree with that. So its not really extremely rare then ? You didn't clarify context.

Because there are very few people who are truly humble. As I've said, when even Jesus and Buddha are not actually humble, and so many mistakenly devise that they are, the wise are about the rarest indeed.

Again, it is groupthink, like Christians assuming their god loves them. They all think it, but at best, there is only evidence to the contrary from the Bible.

Every one uses the term which is not exclusive to Christians ...a rather big group think which of course suggests "common sense" have several implied words associated to this phrase include your definition.

Those of common sense normally comprehend that habitual liars and manipulators do not love them. Christians just had the fight beat out of them by various forms, and are essentially stuck with feebly nodding to the spurious excuses and promises of their latest abuser.

That is still a fallacy.

A 'leader of rare wisdom' I'll use here. (Perhaps thats what you mean't earlier in rare).

No, age equated with experience. Someone could spend 20 years in a coma, or in the case of the Christian god, only existing for thousands of years on merely the printed page and in believers' imaginations.

Humble is being honest with yourself and others. Not exactly for Jesus and Christians.

No problem with humble . Not for Jesus - you have to point that one bit of scripture out. Unless its a generalised opinion like Rams.

1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
2 And he fasted forty days and forty nights, and afterward he was hungry.
3 And the tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread."

4 But he answered, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"

His answer is already so-called showing off some supposed knowledge of Scripture, which is also a manipulation, or displaying his great thickness for following simple conversation, since that is not what Satan was referring to.

 

[sharon45]

What makes you think that killing the babies (God created) is necessary in order for them to be saved?

They can be saved WITHOUT any help from a homocidal maniac. (Thanks all the same)

Just doing a basic risk reward analysis. Killed as a baby, no chance of hell. Grows up into an adult, chance of hell. What's so bad about sparing someone the risk of eternal torment?

Because the Christian god wants to fill up its torture chamber.

 

[bilby]

Fuck God's priorities. Regardless of what he wants, why not just hack the system and get everybody into heaven, no more human race, no more need for Hell? Although I think you're onto something, wasn't it Augustine who depicted the saved looking down on the damned with glee as they roasted for eternity?

What makes you think that killing the babies (God created) is necessary in order for them to be saved?

They can be saved WITHOUT any help from a homocidal maniac. (Thanks all the same)

I was under the impression that the Bible claims otherwise: God is described as both necessary for salvation, and as a homicidal maniac.

 

[Kharakov]

What makes you think that killing the babies (God created) is necessary in order for them to be saved?

They can be saved WITHOUT any help from a homocidal maniac. (Thanks all the same)

I was under the impression that the Bible claims otherwise: God is described as both necessary for salvation, and as a homicidal maniac.

Ever meet someone who wasn't a homicidal maniac who was willing to kill off all the homicidal maniacs to achieve peace?

 

[bilby]

I was under the impression that the Bible claims otherwise: God is described as both necessary for salvation, and as a homicidal maniac.

Ever meet someone who wasn't a homicidal maniac who was willing to kill off all the homicidal maniacs to achieve peace?

We should just round up and hang all the extremists.

 

[Kharakov]

I think it's far easier to design a virus to wipe out the human race and dispense a vaccine, but I'm sort of a Noah's atan2 type of guy. Think of it- you get the anti-vaxxers thrown in for free. Wait. I'm fighting against the anti-vax movement. Whoops.


Vaccines cause autism. They are bad.

 

[Lion IRC]

Just doing a basic risk reward analysis. Killed as a baby, no chance of hell. Grows up into an adult, chance of hell. What's so bad about sparing someone the risk of eternal torment?

Because the Christian god wants to fill up its torture chamber.

No He doesn't.
I can cite plenty of scripture (and theology) to demonstrate this.

Do you think the bible is all man-made lies? If so, on what do you base your claim about what God does/doesn't want?

 

[sharon45]

Because the Christian god wants to fill up its torture chamber.

No He doesn't.
I can cite plenty of scripture (and theology) to demonstrate this.

Do you think the bible is all man-made lies?

The Christian belief is based on lies. Entirely man-made or inspired by a god? It matters little, because it is still a very sick book.

If so, on what do you base your claim about what God does/doesn't want?

I don't claim anything real except life as evidence. If I were a god, I certainly would not allow the vast ugliness that consumes this planet. The gruesome shooting yesterday in LV is just more piled on. Millions of patients for extreme physical and mental cruelty are just fine with our supposed god, oh, as long as we have some spring flowers, fluffy clouds, and glistening waterfalls to insidiously distract us.

Biblical evidence? Easily Matthew 7:13-14, Jesus' narrow-minded narrow gate perversion fits that, with its cold statistics on the follower count from both roads traveled. Ha, especially when a functioning idiot devised this wicked test. Who in actuality, ought to be the one leading folks through the much wider path, since he heedlessly exposed himself as a hypocrite in corruption with the next five verses.