So how does Miscarriage fit into god's master plan?

[bilby]

Because the Christian god wants to fill up its torture chamber.

No He doesn't.
I can cite plenty of scripture (and theology) to demonstrate this.

Do you think the bible is all man-made lies? If so, on what do you base your claim about what God does/doesn't want?

The Bible is fiction.

Fictional characters have wants - Superman wants to fight for truth, justice and the American way; Harry Potter wants to go to wizard school; Pinocchio wants to be a real boy.

Claims about the wants of fictional characters can be based on canon, or on fan-fiction, or on inferences drawn from either or both.

Arguing about whose interpretation is canonical, and who is indulging in poor quality fanfic, is childish and stupid. Such debates might be settled by the author(s) if they are alive, but even then, some fans will continue to prefer their own interpretation.

Of course, there's no harm in fans entertaining themselves with endless childish and stupid arguments over the finer points of interpretation of their favourite fictions - as long as they have nothing better to do, and as long as they understand the one very important fact about basis for all of their arguments:

None of this has the slightest bearing on reality.

 

[Learner]

I keep stating a different understanding for the popular meaning to "common sense," both of which Christians do not grasp, or else they would no longer follow their disgusting belief.

Ok so you kept stating a different understanding, now realizing. But your argument then... was more about my apparent misuse of those words, which you would have understood anyway in the context I used them.

Because there are very few people who are truly humble. As I've said, when even Jesus and Buddha are not actually humble, and so many mistakenly devise that they are, the wise are about the rarest indeed.

I gather you have a candidate(s) more fitting in regards to Jesus or Buddha.

Those of common sense normally comprehend that habitual liars and manipulators do not love them. Christians just had the fight beat out of them by various forms, and are essentially stuck with feebly nodding to the spurious excuses and promises of their latest abuser.

I agree that habitual liars and manipulators would generaly have some lack of love for people. I don't doubt to some extent that some of what I've heard in sermons or individuals (conspiracy theists, if you will ) talking of the notion that the agenda of Jesus's enemies for centuries wanting to destroy the "church"- the faith, which was to divide them and to fight amongst themselves. It does happen today more in debate form and obviously known to have been quite hostile in past.

I suppose amongst the abusers imo,would be the profits not the Prophets so to speak.

No, age equated with experience. Someone could spend 20 years in a coma, or in the case of the Christian god, only existing for thousands of years on merely the printed page and in believers' imaginations.

The individual in the coma for 20 years wouldn't be neccessarily that wise-one with the life experience. We just have different opinions of those printed pages.

1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
2 And he fasted forty days and forty nights, and afterward he was hungry.
3 And the tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread."
4 But he answered, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"

His answer is already so-called showing off some supposed knowledge of Scripture, which is also a manipulation, or displaying his great thickness for following simple conversation, since that is not what Satan was referring to.

Ok good, now you've got some thing to argue about .. high lighting a particular scripture (even though its just one at this moment) although I don't see what you read here but I'll accept it as your interpretation which I disagree with.

 

[sharon45]

Ok so you kept stating a different understanding, now realizing. But your argument then... was more about my apparent misuse of those words, which you would have understood anyway in the context I used them.

Of course I knew, yet when Christians rashly toss out the phrase "common sense," naturally missing its irony, I jump in, and try to explain some of their erroneous belief with a little extra way of thinking about this popular term.

Because there are very few people who are truly humble. As I've said, when even Jesus and Buddha are not actually humble, and so many mistakenly devise that they are,
the wise are about the rarest indeed.

I gather you have a candidate(s) more fitting in regards to Jesus or Buddha.

If you mean by those who are wise, that is not my job here. The wise do not need to be pointed out or even known. People have to earn wisdom on their own, because it can not be taught.

Those of common sense normally comprehend that habitual liars and manipulators do not love them. Christians just had the fight beat out of them by various forms, and are essentially stuck with feebly nodding to the spurious excuses and promises of their latest abuser.

I agree that habitual liars and manipulators would generaly have some lack of love for people. I don't doubt to some extent that some of what I've heard in sermons or individuals (conspiracy theists, if you will ) talking of the notion that the agenda of Jesus's enemies for centuries wanting to destroy the "church"- the faith, which was to divide them and to fight amongst themselves.

Jesus was right about being wary of false prophets, since he was already one of them with his scalding opposition to Judaism.

No, age equated with experience. Someone could spend 20 years in a coma, or in the case of the Christian god, only existing for thousands of years on merely the printed page and in believers' imaginations.

The individual in the coma for 20 years wouldn't be neccessarily that wise-one with the life experience. We just have different opinions of those printed pages.

Yes, we have mutually gathered this.

1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
2 And he fasted forty days and forty nights, and afterward he was hungry.
3 And the tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread."
4 But he answered, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"

His answer is already so-called showing off some supposed knowledge of Scripture, which is also a manipulation, or displaying his great thickness for following simple conversation, since that is not what Satan was referring to.

Ok good, now you've got some thing to argue about .. high lighting a particular scripture (even though its just one at this moment) although I don't see what you read here but I'll accept it as your interpretation which I disagree with.

See above.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

God doesn't lie
See Titus 1:2

See Second Story of Creation.

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Because the Christian god wants to fill up its torture chamber.

No He doesn't.
I can cite plenty of scripture (and theology) to demonstrate this.

Well, the Bible can be cited to say lots of things, but one thing is for certain, god rarely ever was disappointed with punishing those who weren't following him.

Do you think the bible is all man-made lies?

Well, it certainly wasn't written by a hippo.