Somali Community and FOXNEWS

[Nice Squirrel]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-minneapolis-somalis-20160517-snap-story.html

As we left the mall, with Mohamed again listening from the back seat, Elmi joked about a recent Fox News broadcast from Cedar-Riverside, where a TV crew had gone to interview residents about the terrorism trial in town.

“They went to Riverside and nobody wanted to talk to them. They’re like, ‘Nobody speaks English,’” Elmi said, laughing. “People are smart! They don’t want to talk to Fox News!”

Elmi chose to remain upbeat about his community, the one he says outsiders really don’t know.

He was already looking forward to an upcoming street festival near his cafe where he could show off Somali culture to his fellow Minnesotans.

I found it funny that nobody wanted to talk to the FOXNEWS reporter.

 

[ZiprHead]

Here is a clip from Gabriel Iglesius talking about his trip to Saudi Arabia and what they think of "Faucks News". Besides being very funny, I also felt it was quite a brilliant comedy commentary on relations between the two countries and how he grew in his own way.
[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/ccnwzScp6bM[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Derec]

Yeah, let's pile on Fox News and celebrate an insular Islamic community which served as a farm team for Al Shabab until ISIS became the hot new Jihadi franchise. But that doesn't matter since they hate "Fuax News" Hahaha. Let's feel all smug and superior. The real reason they didn't want to talk to Fox is that they didn't want to contribute to a critical piece; they wanted a puff piece by a left-wing rag, and boy did they get it with LA Times!
What about Somali taxi drivers refusing customers?
Some Muslim Cabbies Refuse Fares Carrying Alcohol
Or Somali grocery clerks refusing to handle certain products?
Target shifts Muslims who won't ring up pork
And their beggars also want to be choosers:
Somali Group Pushes For Non-Pork Food Shelf

 

[ZiprHead]

Obviously you didn't watch the clip.

 

[Derec]

Obviously you didn't watch the clip.

I read the LA Times puff piece. Isn't that enough?

 

[ZiprHead]

No.

 

[Derec]

No.

I do not see how, since my reply was in reference to the LA Times article and Somali Muslims in Minnesota and not about your clip and Muslim Saudis in Saudi Arabia.
When I get around to watching the clip, I might have something to say about it.

 

[Toni]

Yeah, let's pile on Fox News and celebrate an insular Islamic community which served as a farm team for Al Shabab until ISIS became the hot new Jihadi franchise. But that doesn't matter since they hate "Fuax News" Hahaha. Let's feel all smug and superior. The real reason they didn't want to talk to Fox is that they didn't want to contribute to a critical piece; they wanted a puff piece by a left-wing rag, and boy did they get it with LA Times!
What about Somali taxi drivers refusing customers?
Some Muslim Cabbies Refuse Fares Carrying Alcohol
Or Somali grocery clerks refusing to handle certain products?
Target shifts Muslims who won't ring up pork
And their beggars also want to be choosers:
Somali Group Pushes For Non-Pork Food Shelf

Somalis are no more insular than any other group of immigrants. As a group, they've done well, so far, in establishing themselves in communities, becoming part of the country. Not without some bumps, as is generally the case with immigrants.
For instance, the conflicts in the articles you linked: the Somalis worked within the system. And they didn't always win. There have been no riots, no disorderly behavior. As a group, they have worked within the system already established, while remaining true to their beliefs and culture. As have many, many other immigrant groups.

As far as insular goes, Derec, what's your excuse? I figure your people must have been here for at least a hundred years. Why so much hostility towards anyone who isn't white and male?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

What about Somali taxi drivers refusing customers?
Some Muslim Cabbies Refuse Fares Carrying Alcohol

This was decided ten years ago based on rulings from 100 years ago when Christians and Anti-Saloon Leaguers were refusing fares.

Or Somali grocery clerks refusing to handle certain products?
Target shifts Muslims who won't ring up pork

This was resolved 9 years ago, and the stereotypical Target employee here is Somali.

And their beggars also want to be choosers:
Somali Group Pushes For Non-Pork Food Shelf

I don't see where this is a problem. Food shelves are run by private organizations and if they don't want pork in their bean, that is fine with me. (Like my model friend who complained about getting a pie from the shelf.)

 

[Derec]

This was decided ten years ago based on rulings from 100 years ago when Christians and Anti-Saloon Leaguers were refusing fares.

Decided how?

This was resolved 9 years ago, and the stereotypical Target employee here is Somali.

Resolved by giving in to Muslim's silly little superstitions about handling pork products. And why have you Minnesotans import so many Islamic Somalis anyway?

I don't see where this is a problem. Food shelves are run by private organizations and if they don't want pork in their bean, that is fine with me. (Like my model friend who complained about getting a pie from the shelf.)

If they were truly needy they would not make such demands about the food offered them. If they can bitch about pork fat in beans, they can buy their own damn beans!

By the way, now they want extra breaks for "prayer". Why can't they pray during lunch and their normal breaks?
Muslim Employees File Religious Discrimination Complaint Against Wisconsin Firm Over Prayer Dispute
Fucking ridiculous, but I expect the Obama administration will side with the Muslims.

 

[Derec]

Somalis are no more insular than any other group of immigrants.

That is rank nonsense. There are differences between different immigrant communities.

As a group, they've done well, so far, in establishing themselves in communities, becoming part of the country.

They have done a good job complaining, demanding special rights and supplying fighters for Islamic terrorist groups like Al Shabab

That puff piece starts with the terrorism trial but quickly moves on, fawning about Somali owned halal grocery stores (at regular grocery stores Islamic Somalis refuse to handle pork products) and hijab-forward beauty salons (what's the point?) Talk about insular!

For instance, the conflicts in the articles you linked: the Somalis worked within the system. And they didn't always win. There have been no riots, no disorderly behavior. As a group, they have worked within the system already established, while remaining true to their beliefs and culture. As have many, many other immigrant groups.

If they wanted to remain true to their beliefs and culture why didn't they stay in Somalia? There is a light years worth of difference between a Somali like Ayan Hirsi Ali who wants to become part of the country she immigrates to, be it Netherlands or US, and bulk of Somali Muslims who want to recreate a colder version of Islamist Somalia.

I figure your people must have been here for at least a hundred years.

As usual, you could not be more wrong.

Why so much hostility towards anyone who isn't white and male?

It has nothing to do with being white and male. She is cool with me!

 

[laughing dog]

And why have you Minnesotans import so many Islamic Somalis anyway?

Really? Trading for people is illegal.

If they were truly needy they would not make such demands about the food offered them. If they can bitch about pork fat in beans, they can buy their own damn beans!

If they could buy the beans, they would do so. If a private food shelf wishes to help the people in its community, then it makes sense for them to try and get food the community will eat. Why does it bother you so much that someone would ask a food shelf to get something without pork?

By the way, now they want extra breaks for "prayer". Why can't they pray during lunch and their normal breaks?

Why does this bother you so much? It has nothing to do with you or your life.

Fucking ridiculous, but I expect the Obama administration will side with the Muslims.

How much was your lifetime membership fee in the John Birch society?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Decided how?

In court.

This was resolved 9 years ago.

Resolved by giving in to Muslim's silly little superstitions about handling pork products. And why have you Minnesotans import so many Islamic Somalis anyway?

Because we are one of the coolest places to live.

I don't see where this is a problem. Food shelves are run by private organizations and if they don't want pork in their bean, that is fine with me. (Like my model friend who complained about getting a pie from the shelf.)

If they were truly needy they would not make such demands about the food offered them. If they can bitch about pork fat in beans, they can buy their own damn beans!

So you just reopened this thread, so you could be outraged? - Nice.

 

[whichphilosophy]

That is rank nonsense. There are differences between different immigrant communities.

As a group, they've done well, so far, in establishing themselves in communities, becoming part of the country.

They have done a good job complaining, demanding special rights and supplying fighters for Islamic terrorist groups like Al Shabab

That puff piece starts with the terrorism trial but quickly moves on, fawning about Somali owned halal grocery stores (at regular grocery stores Islamic Somalis refuse to handle pork products) and hijab-forward beauty salons (what's the point?) Talk about insular!

For instance, the conflicts in the articles you linked: the Somalis worked within the system. And they didn't always win. There have been no riots, no disorderly behavior. As a group, they have worked within the system already established, while remaining true to their beliefs and culture. As have many, many other immigrant groups.

If they wanted to remain true to their beliefs and culture why didn't they stay in Somalia? There is a light years worth of difference between a Somali like Ayan Hirsi Ali who wants to become part of the country she immigrates to, be it Netherlands or US, and bulk of Somali Muslims who want to recreate a colder version of Islamist Somalia.

I figure your people must have been here for at least a hundred years.

As usual, you could not be more wrong.

Why so much hostility towards anyone who isn't white and male?

It has nothing to do with being white and male. She is cool with me!

Tolerance of course should go both ways. The Somalis can eat what they want but neither community should enforce their views on the other. This is true harmony when this happens. Turkey bacon is quite a good substitute for pork bacon and is less fatty though it doesn't taste quite as nice. Turkey ham's quite good also and I think sometimes indistinguishable from pork ham.

 

[Potoooooooo]

Yeah, let's pile on Fox News and celebrate an insular Islamic community which served as a farm team for Al Shabab until ISIS became the hot new Jihadi franchise. But that doesn't matter since they hate "Fuax News" Hahaha. Let's feel all smug and superior. The real reason they didn't want to talk to Fox is that they didn't want to contribute to a critical piece; they wanted a puff piece by a left-wing rag, and boy did they get it with LA Times!
What about Somali taxi drivers refusing customers?
Some Muslim Cabbies Refuse Fares Carrying Alcohol
Or Somali grocery clerks refusing to handle certain products?
Target shifts Muslims who won't ring up pork
And their beggars also want to be choosers:
Somali Group Pushes For Non-Pork Food Shelf

They are also known to be pretty homophobic

 

[Underseer]

Obviously you didn't watch the clip.

I read the LA Times puff piece. Isn't that enough?

Of course you don't like the LA Times. You're a terrorist just like all the other American conservatives. We can ignore whatever you say because all American conservatives are a bunch of violent savages.

 

[untermensche]

It is ignorance to say that since the US has supported the fanatical dictatorship in Saudi Arabia, and destroyed Iranian democracy and gave us the fanatics in Iran, and then invaded Iraq and conducted a ten year violent occupation that gave us ISIS there is some problem with Islam.

There is a problem with violence against Muslims from the West.

The US has been killing Muslims non-stop for 15 years.

The entire region has been whipped into a frenzy by external violence and meddling into the affairs of sovereign nations and through the support of fanatical dictatorships.

It is like saying at the time of the Civil War that Christianity was a problem because of all this violence from Christians in the name of their god.

 

[Underseer]

I read the LA Times puff piece. Isn't that enough?

Of course you don't like the LA Times. You're a terrorist just like all the other American conservatives. We can ignore whatever you say because all American conservatives are a bunch of violent savages.

Aw, poor Derec. Did I hurt your feelings?

Was I not politically correct enough?

Too bad, Derec.

If you want to paint all billion+ Muslims with a broad brush because some of them commit terrorist acts, then of course you don't have a problem with someone using the same broad brush on all American conservatives. That would be hypocritical, and you're not a hypocrite, are you?

Since 9/11, there have been more terrorist acts by American conservatives than American Muslims, therefore we are more justified in dismissing all American conservatives as terrorists than you are in expressing the same sentiment towards all Muslims. You conservatives are vicious savages who are unfit to participate in a free society. If you don't like being called a terrorist, you have two choices: stop painting others with that broad brush, or else convince your fellow conservatives to stop committing acts of terrorism. If you won't police your own community, then we have no choice but to assume that you accept what your fellow conservatives do and may even support what they do.

 

[Toni]

That is rank nonsense. There are differences between different immigrant communities.

Of course there are differences between different immigrant communities. However, the differences are not that Somalis, as a group, are more insular than other recent (or historic) immigrant groups.

They have done a good job complaining, demanding special rights and supplying fighters for Islamic terrorist groups like Al Shabab

They worked within the system to try to establish their religious rights. Rights guaranteed by our constitution. They worked, peacefully, within the system of their new country.

That puff piece starts with the terrorism trial but quickly moves on, fawning about Somali owned halal grocery stores (at regular grocery stores Islamic Somalis refuse to handle pork products) and hijab-forward beauty salons (what's the point?) Talk about insular!

Like China town, little Korea, Little Italy, and so on? My part of the country celebrates all kinds of northern European cultures. Heck, half of my town was almost entirely Polish until recently. What about Oktoberfest? St. Patrick's Day when we are all Irish and some of us get lucky?

Seriously. My friend's grandmother immigrated from Italy in her teens and lived in the US until she died in her 90's, never learning to speak English. It's not a new phenomenon. In a generation, those Somali kids will be speaking better English than you do.

If they wanted to remain true to their beliefs and culture why didn't they stay in Somalia? There is a light years worth of difference between a Somali like Ayan Hirsi Ali who wants to become part of the country she immigrates to, be it Netherlands or US, and bulk of Somali Muslims who want to recreate a colder version of Islamist Somalia.

Most Somalis immigrated for fear of their lives, as have many other immigrant groups in the past, and I am certain, will do in the future. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with recent history if you wish to understand the Somali diaspora.

The bulk of Somali immigrants want to live their lives in peace, and are working hard to find and establish a home and a life in a new country. The fact that Somalis took their cases to authorities, to courts and to the employer's management belies your claim that they are trying to create an Islamic Somalia in Minnesota.

Your fear and prejudice are showing really strong here.

I figure your people must have been here for at least a hundred years.

As usual, you could not be more wrong.

Do tell.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

In a generation, those Somali kids will be speaking better English than you do.

They already do and sound like they walked off the set of Fargo.