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Does anyone wish to discuss the legitimacy and propriety of such machines?

 Jack Kevorkian
According to his lawyer Geoffrey Fieger, Kevorkian assisted in the deaths of 130 terminally ill people between 1990 and 1998. In each of these cases, the individuals themselves allegedly took the final action which resulted in their own deaths. Kevorkian allegedly assisted only by attaching the individual to a euthanasia device that he had devised and constructed. The individual then pushed a button which released the drugs or chemicals that would end his or her own life. Two deaths were assisted by means of a device which delivered the euthanizing drugs intravenously. Kevorkian called the device a "Thanatron" ("Death machine", from the Greek thanatos meaning "death").[18] Other people were assisted by a device which employed a gas mask fed by a canister of carbon monoxide, which Kevorkian called the "Mercitron" ("Mercy machine").
 Euthanasia device,  Suicide bag,  Suicide booth
A suicide bag, also known as an exit bag or hood,[1][2] is a euthanasia device consisting of a large plastic bag with a drawcord used to commit suicide through inert gas asphyxiation. It is usually used in conjunction with a flow of an inert gas like helium or nitrogen, which prevents the panic, sense of suffocation and struggling before unconsciousness, known as the hypercapnic alarm response [3]:45 caused by the presence of high carbon dioxide concentrations in the blood.[3] This method also makes the direct cause of death difficult to trace if the bag and gas canister are removed before the death is reported.[4][5][6]

A Doctor Built a Machine That Helps People Die - Tonic
Literal death machine offers a way to peacefully slip out of existence (The Next Web)

It's a sort of "death pod". One gets inside of it, and it then supplies nitrogen gas. It kills by suffocation, because it isn't oxygen. The pod has windows, so that its user can see outside of it. So one can die as one watches some outdoor scenery, like a sunset.

Other gases could work, especially noble gases. I know of someone who committed suicide by breathing helium. He researched various ways of dying and he decided that breathing helium was the most pleasant way to go.
 
If you're an asshole who wants to leave a mess, you can always just use a revolver.
 
Sounds good to me. If a person doesn't have the right to end their own life at the time of their choosing, what rights do they have?

If your life is not your own to do with as you will, what is?

How can a person be considered free, if they are compelled to continue to live regardless of their wishes?
 
If you're an asshole who wants to leave a mess, you can always just use a revolver.

To the 95% of us who are not American, revolvers are hard to obtain.

They are also less likely to provide a painless death, unless the individual is both a keen student of human anatomy, and an excellent shot in a difficult situation.

A terminally ill person may well be incapable of lifting a revolver, much less aiming it correctly to ensure death (and it's even more difficult to ensure painless death).
 
If you're an asshole who wants to leave a mess, you can always just use a revolver.

To the 95% of us who are not American, revolvers are hard to obtain.

They are also less likely to provide a painless death, unless the individual is both a keen student of human anatomy, and an excellent shot in a difficult situation.

A terminally ill person may well be incapable of lifting a revolver, much less aiming it correctly to ensure death (and it's even more difficult to ensure painless death).

It's a great way to leave a mess, though.
 
If you're an asshole who wants to leave a mess, you can always just use a revolver.

To the 95% of us who are not American, revolvers are hard to obtain.

They are also less likely to provide a painless death, unless the individual is both a keen student of human anatomy, and an excellent shot in a difficult situation.

A terminally ill person may well be incapable of lifting a revolver, much less aiming it correctly to ensure death (and it's even more difficult to ensure painless death).

It's a great way to leave a mess, though.

Sure. But if a mess is the sole objective, you could just jump into a wood chipper.
 
I've seen a weird proposed suicide machine: a roller coaster of death.
Projects - euthanasia-coaster - Julijonas Urbonas of Lithuania
▶ "Death by Rollercoaster" - The Euthanasia Coaster - YouTube -- JU describes it
▶ Euthanasia Roller Coaster DISTURBING REAL POV - YouTube
▶ Nolimits Coaster:EUTHANASIA COASTER - YouTube

He proposes euthanasia by roller coaster, so that one can end one's life in a very pleasant way. The first peak would be about 500 m / 1600 ft high, and one would go down from there into 6 loops. The purpose of the height and the loops would be to produce 10 g's of downward acceleration, and to produce 10 g's over about a minute. Downward acceleration pulls blood out of the brain, depriving one's brain of oxygen, and making one feel lightheaded and euphoric. At about 10 g's downward, one loses consciousness, and after about a minute, one dies. So one dies a very pleasant death.

This effect is called G-LOC, short for G-force induced Loss Of Consciousness. Some pilots of high-performance aircraft have died of that effect.

That's an interesting idea, but it seems impractical. it would be rather expensive, since a roller coaster that large would have a height comparable to the heights of the tallest buildings.


When I started thinking of alternatives, I first thought of a rocket sled. But 10 g's for 100 s will yield 10 km/s, reached after traveling 500 km, and that's a bit much for an Earthbound vehicle.

Then I considered a centrifuge. That's what's used to train pilots and astronauts to survive large accelerations. So that will work, and one need not worry about how long that one can continue its acceleration. Keep it spinning, and its centrifugal acceleration will continue.

So a Centrifuge of Death, anyone? I was reminded of the carousel scene in "Logan's Run". But instead of being centrifuged, the participants float upward and get blown up as they reach the ceiling.
 
If you're an asshole who wants to leave a mess, you can always just use a revolver.
To the 95% of us who are not American, revolvers are hard to obtain.
Any short of short gun can substitute, like a semiautomatic pistol. That's the kind that stores its bullets in its handle.

All kinds of handguns are hard to obtain for civilians outside the USA.

And a 'semiautomatic' is any self-loading gun that requires a separate trigger pull for each shot (as opposed to an automatic, which continues to load and fire as long as the trigger is depressed). The location of the magazine is irrelevant - although the grip is usually the most obvious place for it in the case of semiautomatic pistols.

Any firearm with a barrel shorter than 24" is a prohibited weapon in the UK, other than for police, the military, or licenced firing ranges and firearms dealers (there are also exceptions for historic pistols if you are a museum or collector of such antiquities). Ordinary citizens can only obtain them illegally, and the police and courts are VERY harsh with regards to any illegal possession of such weapons.

Suicide with long arms is even more difficult than with a handgun. But as I said before, even a handgun is a poor choice for anyone who wants a painless death, unless they are both a good shot, and well versed in human anatomy. A surprising number of handgun suicide attempts fail - and non-fatal head injuries are painful.

(I used to work for a gunsmith in the UK, so I am quite familiar with firearms, and with the legal difficulties in obtaining them in places with sane regulations).
 
All kinds of handguns are hard to obtain for civilians outside the USA.
That could be our next industry... Terminal Tourism.

Handgun and cremation facilities located at various scenic attractions. Blow your brains out while looking at the St. Louis Arch, a Saturn V Rocket, a space shuttle, the Grand Canyon...
Pre-address the package for your ashes, shipping price included in your termination fee.

An ad campaign, You Can't Come To America To Live, But Come Over To Die!
 
In the day we sweat it out on the streets of a runaway American dream
At night we ride through the mansions of glory in suicide machines

'Born to run'
 
Have some experience with forensics. Do not recommend handgun method. Ouch.

Hypoxia is a nice way to go. Maybe the best.
 
I can see it now (in some cases) ... heir to very large fortune tried to plead with rich relative not to use machine, but rich relative insisted, by the only method to communicate , by blinking with his eyes.
 
It's a sort of "death pod". One gets inside of it, and it then supplies nitrogen gas. It kills by suffocation, because it isn't oxygen. The pod has windows, so that its user can see outside of it. So one can die as one watches some outdoor scenery, like a sunset.

Other gases could work, especially noble gases. I know of someone who committed suicide by breathing helium. He researched various ways of dying and he decided that breathing helium was the most pleasant way to go.

The air you're breathing is already mostly nitrogen; it won't kill you. What such a hood does is slowly change the proportion of nitrogen to oxygen in your breathing space, until there isn't enough oxygen present to maintain normal functions, especially those of your brain. Your brain absolutely relies on oxygen for most of its processes, since it is the catalyst for the creation of glucose, the chemical that supplies the rest of your brain with energy and therefore is necessary for any sort of neural activity. This is so critical that more than a fifth of your overall oxygen intake is devoted to keeping your brain running.

Brain damage runs ahead of perception, as always. Cell death begins almost immediately in an anoxic space, becoming irreversible after about a minute as neurons themselves stop functioning. Low-oxygen environments will take longer, but it is still a frighteningly swift process. Disablement is easier to accomplish than death, as you tend to instinctively panic and do things like (for instance) panic and get out of your death pod. Hence helium and xanax and etcetera to belay this response, though I would be surprised if either work 100% -- brains are both resilient and adaptive, and those panic feelings serve a purpose- your brain will produce them if it can, even if it has to jerry-rig the entire system to do it.

In any case, you might be able to save your life at thst point, but cell death is cell death. If you've lost a piece of your neural lattice, you've lost a part of your body function, and a change in something like your personality or ability to communicate is almost certain. Your brain, in crisis mode, tries to preserve core functions, but it does so at the cost of your prefrontal cortex where all of those nice fancy higher brain functions partially reside. So I suspect any attempt at suicide by these means will be successful if serious, at least in a sense. The body might survive, but "you" will not. The brain will have to rebuild itself, but it won't do it in the same shape.

Five minutes? You're probably dead, unless you're a seasoned deep seadiver or US Marine or something. Even the most fervent efforts of your brain to keep its basic processes going can't work if glucose production is hindered for long enough. Your brain enters a state akin to a seizure, an aimless electrical storm; your organs stop working, and one by one your various life functions cease. The process does not take long, and you almost certainly won't survive. CPR can restart a heart, but it cannot rebuild a fatally compromised neural network.
 
The air you're breathing is already mostly nitrogen; it won't kill you. What such a hood does is slowly change the proportion of nitrogen to oxygen in your breathing space, until there isn't enough oxygen present to maintain normal functions, especially those of your brain. Your brain absolutely relies on oxygen for most of its processes, since it is the catalyst for the creation of glucose, the chemical that supplies the rest of your brain with energy and therefore is necessary for any sort of neural activity. This is so critical that more than a fifth of your overall oxygen intake is devoted to keeping your brain running.
Oxygen is not used to make glucose. Instead, oxygen is *combined* with glucose and other small food molecules -- sugars, fatty acids, and amino acids (protein building blocks). These molecules are elaborately disassembled, and the hydrogen in them combined with oxygen to make water. Like this possible example, not necessarily a real one:

Methane
CH4 + H2O -> CH3OH + 2H
Methanol
CH3OH + H2O -> CH2O + 2H
Formaldehyde
CH2O + H2O -> HCOOH + 2H
Formic Acid (Formate)
HCOOH -> CO2 + 2H

The 2H's are combined with other molecules, and they are transferred to oxygen in the respiratory chain, as it's called. This transfer extracts energy from them, energy that is used to power the cell.

For some reason, nerve cells only like to use glucose as a foodstuff, unlike other kinds of cells, which can also use the others.
 
Each Organ Has a Unique Metabolic Profile - Biochemistry - NCBI Bookshelf
1. Brain. Glucose is virtually the sole fuel for the human brain, except during prolonged starvation. The brain lacks fuel stores and hence requires a continuous supply of glucose. It consumes about 120 g daily, which corresponds to an energy input of about 420 kcal (1760 kJ), accounting for some 60% of the utilization of glucose by the whole body in the resting state. Much of the energy, estimates suggest from 60% to 70%, is used to power transport mechanisms that maintain the Na+-K+ membrane potential required for the transmission of the nerve impulses. The brain must also synthesize neurotransmitters and their receptors to propagate nerve impulses. Overall, glucose metabolism remains unchanged during mental activity, although local increases are detected when a subject performs certain tasks.

...
Fatty acids do not serve as fuel for the brain, because they are bound to albumin in plasma and so do not traverse the blood-brain barrier. In starvation, ketone bodies generated by the liver partly replace glucose as fuel for the brain.

2. Muscle. The major fuels for muscle are glucose, fatty acids, and ketone bodies.
Ketone bodies are related to fatty-acid metabolism. A fatty acid gets shrunk as its energy is extracted from it, with ketone bodies being as far as this shrinking can go.
 
If you're an asshole who wants to leave a mess, you can always just use a revolver.

To the 95% of us who are not American, revolvers are hard to obtain.

They are also less likely to provide a painless death, unless the individual is both a keen student of human anatomy, and an excellent shot in a difficult situation.

A terminally ill person may well be incapable of lifting a revolver, much less aiming it correctly to ensure death (and it's even more difficult to ensure painless death).

If you're able-bodied a shot through the mouth is pretty reliable--a shotgun would be better. The people who commit suicide for medical reasons are likely not able to handle it well enough to aim properly.

I do think a nitrogen pod system would be a good idea. What we have seen from places where euthanasia is legal is that a lot of people don't choose to fight the slow things to the end.
 
Brain damage runs ahead of perception, as always. Cell death begins almost immediately in an anoxic space, becoming irreversible after about a minute as neurons themselves stop functioning. Low-oxygen environments will take longer, but it is still a frighteningly swift process. Disablement is easier to accomplish than death, as you tend to instinctively panic and do things like (for instance) panic and get out of your death pod. Hence helium and xanax and etcetera to belay this response, though I would be surprised if either work 100% -- brains are both resilient and adaptive, and those panic feelings serve a purpose- your brain will produce them if it can, even if it has to jerry-rig the entire system to do it.

Disagree--people in anoxic but not otherwise hostile atmospheres don't notice anything wrong. Hypoxia training involves a normal atmosphere at low pressure, it's stopped before reaching the point of damage but again, the people undergoing it don't have any panic reaction. The purpose is to help them recognize that they're suffering from a lack of oxygen, hopefully buying them a few more seconds to act if it ever happens for real. (It's for those who will be operating flying craft at altitudes where oxygen is necessary. If a plane loses all pressure at jetliner altitudes the pilots have only seconds to don their masks.)

In any case, you might be able to save your life at thst point, but cell death is cell death. If you've lost a piece of your neural lattice, you've lost a part of your body function, and a change in something like your personality or ability to communicate is almost certain.

You pass out well before the point of permanent damage.
 
Lack of oxygen does not cause immediate cellular death. Certainly not in organs other than brain.
Cellular death happens when oxygen supply is restored. Brain is of course is more complicated but even there there are cases of people being revived after being drowned (in cold water) for 20 minutes without brain damage.
 
I've heard that the "best" (or one of the best anyway) ways to go is to dissolve about 60 to 90 seconals in gatorade and drink it down. Of course, getting one's hand on that many secs may be a problem. Someone told me this was a preferred method among Oregonians (right-to-die state).

Personally, I'd like to do something along those lines washing it down with some fine whiskey as I lay on an ice floe (which may be an ice cube by the time I'm ready) watching the Aurora Borealis. Euphoria from the freeze; guaranteed death from the toxins; amazing light show. Exeunt.
 
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