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So, we need to seriously send in the national guard with the army corps of engineers, else expect the electric company to fix things (they are the ones who turned it off on purpose), and get power back on.

None of Texas was built for this shit.

This is a crisis, and the Texas government is dropping the ball. There has been no power for quite some time now. People are dying and something needs to be done about this.

Biden has gotten his first natural disaster with a human cost. Let's see how he handles it.
 

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So, we need to seriously send in the national guard with the army corps of engineers, else expect the electric company to fix things (they are the ones who turned it off on purpose), and get power back on.

None of Texas was built for this shit.

This is a crisis, and the Texas government is dropping the ball. There has been no power for quite some time now. People are dying and something needs to be done about this.

Biden has gotten his first natural disaster with a human cost. Let's see how he handles it.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/16/business/texas-power-energy-nightmare/index.html

Free market based energy production industry failed to account for extreme weather to save money. And i do wonder who decided that the texas electrical grid would intentionally be cut off from the rest of the country...

Since the issue is that the extreme cold has frozen the machinery that makes energy because industry chose not to build for extreme cold, what would national guard troops do? Hang bottled gas powered blow dryers on wind turbines?
 

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By that token I could conclude human brains are nonfunctional by pointing to the geniuses who decided to isolate Texas to its own grid.

The reality, of course, is that countries like Canada, Denmark, and Sweden all use wind power as well. Maybe we should be importing the commie wind generators
 

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So, we need to seriously send in the national guard with the army corps of engineers, else expect the electric company to fix things (they are the ones who turned it off on purpose), and get power back on.

None of Texas was built for this shit.

This is a crisis, and the Texas government is dropping the ball. There has been no power for quite some time now. People are dying and something needs to be done about this.

Biden has gotten his first natural disaster with a human cost. Let's see how he handles it.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/16/business/texas-power-energy-nightmare/index.html

Free market based energy production industry failed to account for extreme weather to save money. And i do wonder who decided that the texas electrical grid would intentionally be cut off from the rest of the country...

Since the issue is that the extreme cold has frozen the machinery that makes energy because industry chose not to build for extreme cold, what would national guard troops do? Hang bottled gas powered blow dryers on wind turbines?

They would cart in very large generators that we used to power our bases in countries we are not waging war in currently. There are many, and are maintained for deployment.

My unit had several. I am sure that the national guard has many. It can be a team effort.

We should use the generators our country has bought and maintained for war and use them to keep the lights on while the grid gets rebuilt.

And hey, it's all diesel powered! Just what Texas loves.

And that's just one thing.

They can do water trucks too.
 

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Yes, Toupee Fiasco is a willfully ignorant shill ("windmills cause cancer" is up there with "5G chemical radiation causes COVID-19" in terms of foolish nonsense), and Daily Fail is worthless. We know.

Despite the swipes at GOPers who mocked California's power outages, and Texas' highly gerrymandered government fully dropping the ball, it's really not a guarantee that democrats would have winterized Texas' homes, power plants, and water supply (apparently water pipes are closer to the surface than in areas that expect cold winters - mainlines freeze up, nobody gets water, pipes may burst, etc.). But as climate change gets worse, the destabilized polar vortex bringing terrible cold further south will be more common, so it's something the country will need to address.

And the end result is people who aren't used to cold weather, dealing with an infrastructure that can't handle it. That's a serious problem that leads to hypothermia, house fires, CO poisoning from people trying to stay warm, and so forth. I'm glad that Biden has declared a state of emergency, but the Corp of Engineers at least ready to go is a good idea.
 

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I'm just here to show my appreciation for Texas taking attention off Florida. Texas is one of two states offering us annual support. Love you Texas! Keep up the good work!

Edit: California is the second state in case anyone is curious. They provide us Floridians with more support than Texas. I'd also like to say Oklahoma is in third place with an honorable mention to Alabama. Love all yall man. For real for real.
 

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So most of Texas is without power. And somehow we are expected to believe Texas is almost entirely reliant on green energy, and that is to blame. So when did liberals take over Texas and force them to use green energy?
 

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Yes, Toupee Fiasco is a willfully ignorant shill ("windmills cause cancer" is up there with "5G chemical radiation causes COVID-19" in terms of foolish nonsense), and Daily Fail is worthless. We know.

Despite the swipes at GOPers who mocked California's power outages, and Texas' highly gerrymandered government fully dropping the ball, it's really not a guarantee that democrats would have winterized Texas' homes, power plants, and water supply (apparently water pipes are closer to the surface than in areas that expect cold winters - mainlines freeze up, nobody gets water, pipes may burst, etc.). But as climate change gets worse, the destabilized polar vortex bringing terrible cold further south will be more common, so it's something the country will need to address.

And the end result is people who aren't used to cold weather, dealing with an infrastructure that can't handle it. That's a serious problem that leads to hypothermia, house fires, CO poisoning from people trying to stay warm, and so forth. I'm glad that Biden has declared a state of emergency, but the Corp of Engineers at least ready to go is a good idea.

Kinda my point. I don't know what any politicians have been saying or doing. I just know my friend are suffering and it's a story to be told.

This is where I go to tell other people what I think must be done about things like this. It's the limit of my real power, that and voting. Maybe other people say these things. I hope other people say them. They should be said, and that is why I say them.

Maybe someone with money or power or some platform actually darkens this corner of the internet. Maybe someone here darkens slightly brighter doorways. Eyes see these words, so I believe it has value. A response is necessary, and I'll be cross with the administration if they drop the ball here. I don't think they will, though they juggle many.
 

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Yes, Toupee Fiasco is a willfully ignorant shill ("windmills cause cancer" is up there with "5G chemical radiation causes COVID-19" in terms of foolish nonsense), and Daily Fail is worthless. We know.

Despite the swipes at GOPers who mocked California's power outages, and Texas' highly gerrymandered government fully dropping the ball, it's really not a guarantee that democrats would have winterized Texas' homes, power plants, and water supply (apparently water pipes are closer to the surface than in areas that expect cold winters - mainlines freeze up, nobody gets water, pipes may burst, etc.). But as climate change gets worse, the destabilized polar vortex bringing terrible cold further south will be more common, so it's something the country will need to address.

And the end result is people who aren't used to cold weather, dealing with an infrastructure that can't handle it. That's a serious problem that leads to hypothermia, house fires, CO poisoning from people trying to stay warm, and so forth. I'm glad that Biden has declared a state of emergency, but the Corp of Engineers at least ready to go is a good idea.

It is good that Biden declared it an emergency. I wonder if Republicans like Ted Cruz will remember that the next time a Blue state has a natural disaster. I wonder if the Trump crime family will remember their unwillingness to send federal help to blue states when Mar-a-lago is flattened by hurricane.
 

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Yes, Toupee Fiasco is a willfully ignorant shill ("windmills cause cancer" is up there with "5G chemical radiation causes COVID-19" in terms of foolish nonsense), and Daily Fail is worthless. We know.

Despite the swipes at GOPers who mocked California's power outages, and Texas' highly gerrymandered government fully dropping the ball, it's really not a guarantee that democrats would have winterized Texas' homes, power plants, and water supply (apparently water pipes are closer to the surface than in areas that expect cold winters - mainlines freeze up, nobody gets water, pipes may burst, etc.). But as climate change gets worse, the destabilized polar vortex bringing terrible cold further south will be more common, so it's something the country will need to address.

And the end result is people who aren't used to cold weather, dealing with an infrastructure that can't handle it. That's a serious problem that leads to hypothermia, house fires, CO poisoning from people trying to stay warm, and so forth. I'm glad that Biden has declared a state of emergency, but the Corp of Engineers at least ready to go is a good idea.

It is good that Biden declared it an emergency. I wonder if Republicans like Ted Cruz will remember that the next time a Blue state has a natural disaster. I wonder if the Trump crime family will remember their unwillingness to send federal help to blue states when Mar-a-lago is flattened by hurricane.

They will blame the democrats for not rebuilding it for them brick by brick, this time actually to code.

Anyway, some collective response, be it FEMA controlling the Corps of Engineers, or something. But we really ought send in the generators to get heat back on. Burst pipes are a huge issue right now, and water is off across much of the state. I know our army can deploy huge amounts of water, and we should focus on getting it to areas outside cities. Food aid is going to be important.

We should have done as much for Puerto Rico. Let the texas power companies pay for it.
 

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It is good that Biden declared it an emergency. I wonder if Republicans like Ted Cruz will remember that the next time a Blue state has a natural disaster. I wonder if the Trump crime family will remember their unwillingness to send federal help to blue states when Mar-a-lago is flattened by hurricane.

This is a well-traveled road in red/blue state politics. After Hurricane Sandy devastated the East Coast in 2012, including horrible damage in NYC, Republicans had a fit over the relief bill and many voted against it, including 20 Texas Congressmen. The bill passed anyway. Five years later, Hurricane Harvey slammed into the Gulf Coast, inundating Houston, and these same Texans were then pushing for a relief bill -- and got it, with support from representatives of some of the same areas they'd cut dead before.
 

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It is good that Biden declared it an emergency. I wonder if Republicans like Ted Cruz will remember that the next time a Blue state has a natural disaster. I wonder if the Trump crime family will remember their unwillingness to send federal help to blue states when Mar-a-lago is flattened by hurricane.

This is a well-traveled road in red/blue state politics. After Hurricane Sandy devastated the East Coast in 2012, including horrible damage in NYC, Republicans had a fit over the relief bill and many voted against it, including 20 Texas Congressmen. The bill passed anyway. Five years later, Hurricane Harvey slammed into the Gulf Coast, inundating Houston, and these same Texans were then pushing for a relief bill -- and got it, with support from representatives of some of the same areas they'd cut dead before.

Maybe this is what gets coronavirus over the line? Texas relief?

Edit: would republicans filibuster coronavirus relief with Texas aid in it?
 

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By that token I could conclude human brains are nonfunctional by pointing to the geniuses who decided to isolate Texas to its own grid.

The reality, of course, is that countries like Canada, Denmark, and Sweden all use wind power as well. Maybe we should be importing the commie wind generators

:hysterical:
 

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/why-texas-energy-grid-unable-handle-winter-storms-n1258049

Conservative critics blamed the power outages on a failure of green energy, but that doesn't explain the problem. Wind and solar generate about only 21 percent of the state's electrical power. Instead, natural gas, which powers half the state's electrical generation — by far the largest source — was in use by home furnaces, and some power plants couldn't get enough.

Who cares about facts though.
 

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I do hope we can help them. Seems like FEMA and Engineer Corps should be on the road already.
 

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I'm in Texas, fifty miles directly south from Dallas in Corsicana. Parts of the town have no power, parts do. Gas stove tops have kept my apartment warm though I dont use them while I sleep.
 

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I live in Corsicana, fifty miles south of Dallas. We pretty much have nothing to prepare us for supremely cold weather like they have up in New York or the Dakotas. No snow ploughs, nothing. It usually lasts a day or two and then warms up and goes away. Power is out in half the town, though I have gas stove tops keeping me warm in my apartment.
 

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I'm in Texas, fifty miles directly south from Dallas in Corsicana. Parts of the town have no power, parts do. Gas stove tops have kept my apartment warm though I dont use them while I sleep.

Be very careful here - stove tops aren’t designed for continuous use. Especially if you don’t have CO detectors.
 

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Thank you for caring about me. I only used them for a couple of hours and turned them off. I am with a relative that has power now.
 

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Katie Hill on Twitter: "Biden’s response to the Texas freeze feels a lot different than Trump’s response to the California fires.

It’s nice to have a president that doesn’t consider whether a state voted for him relevant to providing emergency disaster relief." / Twitter

Or whether the state's governor has been nice to him.

Also nice to have a president who does not consider himself a super genius, and a president that one doesn't have to walk on eggshells when around him. Also a president who is willing to highlight his second in command and who seems like he would be very bothered if his admirers decided to lynch that person as a supposed traitor.

Like this:
Amid Winter Storms, Sens. Cruz, Cornyn Urge Biden to Approve Gov. Abbott's Request for Disaster Declaration | Ted Cruz | U.S. Senator for Texas
The Governor and local officials have informed us that the severity and magnitude of the storm is beyond the response capabilities of the state and local government. Prolonged sub-freezing temperatures, strained energy capacity, and treacherous roadways are just a few of the current dangers faced by all Texans. In the last three days, there have been 11 crash-related fatalities as road conditions deteriorate. More than 23,000 Texans have lost power, and frozen pipes have impacted water distribution across the state.

We respectfully urge you to approve the Governor's request for Public Assistance Category B and Direct Federal Assistance for all 254 Texas counties.
President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. Approves Texas Emergency Declaration | The White House
Today, President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. declared that an emergency exists in the State of Texas and ordered federal assistance to supplement state and local response efforts due to the emergency conditions resulting from a severe winter storm beginning on February 11, 2021, and continuing.
Good that he wants to be president of all the states, not just the ones that voted for him.
 

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Half a year ago,
Dan Crenshaw on Twitter: "Alexa, show me what happens when you let Democrats control energy policy." / Twitter
responding to
MayorOfLA on Twitter: "It’s almost 3 p.m. Time to turn off major appliances, set the thermostat to 78 degrees (or use a fan instead), turn off excess lights and unplug any appliances you’re not using.

We need every Californian to help conserve energy. Please do your part. #FlexAlert" / Twitter


But now,
Indigo GRITS on Twitter: "@DanCrenshawTX Let's see. Eastern grid up and holding. Western grid up and holding. Texas grid down and gasping. Us over here in Democrat land seem to be doing fine, but y'all keep on just doing Texas if you feel like it's working. You like snow bathing? Got anything to melt snow for water?" / Twitter

As to why Texas has a separate electrical grid, this article explains why.
Why does Texas have its own power grid? | The Texas Tribune
Texas' secessionist inclinations have at least one modern outlet: the electric grid. There are three grids in the Lower 48 states: the Eastern Interconnection, the Western Interconnection — and Texas.

The Texas grid is called ERCOT, and it is run by an agency of the same name — the Electric Reliability Council of Texas. ERCOT does not actually cover all of Texas. El Paso is on another grid, as is the upper Panhandle and a chunk of East Texas. This presumably has to do with the history of various utilities' service territories and the remoteness of the non-ERCOT locations (for example the Panhandle is closer to Kansas than to Dallas, notes Kenneth Starcher of the Alternative Energy Institute in Canyon), but Texplainer is still figuring out the particulars on this.
It was in part to avoid Federal regulation, by not crossing state lines.

Donna Imam on Twitter: "Tens of thousands of Austin residents have now had no power for over 30 hrs in below 20° weather.

Ted Cruz on the matter: (pic link)" / Twitter

He tweeted half a year ago:
California is now unable to perform even basic functions of civilization, like having reliable electricity.

Biden/Harris/AOC want to make CA's failed energy policy the standard nationwide.
 

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ryan cooper on Twitter: "root cause here, it seems, is that Texas has been skimping on maintenance and resilience upgrades (including wind de-icing gear), and its grid is mostly disconnected from the rest of the country (link)" / Twitter
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What went wrong with the Texas power grid?

Not being very well-prepared for cold is understandable, when one considers Texas's climate, but skimping on maintenance is another story.

Saikat Chakrabarti on Twitter: "People on the left don't watch conservative media, so entire false narratives in right wing media go unchallenged. The entire right is using the Texas blackouts right now to create a narrative about the failure of green energy. It's 100% false. It needs to be challenged head on." / Twitter
then
Ana Kasparian on Twitter: "We watch conservative media so you don’t have to. TYT will have an in-depth breakdown of the TX blackouts on tonight’s show." / Twitter

All the anti-renewable people are gloating "Ha ha. Their wind turbines froze." But that's also happened to Texas's fossil-fuel infrastructure.

Texas power outage: Why natural gas went down during the winter storm | The Texas Tribune - "Texas largely relies on natural gas — especially during times of high demand — to power the state. From pumping it out of the ground to the plants in city centers, experts say natural gas infrastructure was unprepared for the plunging temperatures brought by the winter storm."

Pipelines may seem safe, since natural gas is transmitted in gaseous rather than in liquid form, and since the boiling point of methane is far below any temperature on our planet. But natgas has to be pumped through the pipelines, and low temperatures can cause trouble for those pumps.

US deep freeze shutters Texas oil refineries, disrupts pipelines | Oil and Gas News | Al Jazeera - "Texas produces roughly 4.6 million barrels of oil a day and is home to some of the United States’ largest refineries, spread throughout the Gulf Coast."
 

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It's possible to make wind turbines capable of operating in cold weather, even if doing so does not seem very necessary in Texas.
Wind Energy in Cold Climates
Based on actual measurements, icing can occur up to 20% of the time between the months of November and April. Wind turbines must therefore be able to sustain at least limited icing without incurring damage that would prevent normal operation.

Wind turbine manufacturers are increasingly recognizing the impacts of cold climate operation and are building turbines better equipped to handle winter conditions. With the installation of “cold weather packages” which provide heating to turbine components such as the gearbox, yaw and pitch motors and battery, some turbines can operate in temperatures down to -30C.

Various types of rotor blade de-icing and anti-icing mechanisms, such as heating and water-resistant coatings are currently being employed, as well as operational strategies to limit ice accumulation.
Ice protection systems for wind turbines in cold climate: characteristics, comparisons and analysis - ScienceDirect
The abstract only stated what work the authors done, and not the authors' conclusions.
 

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It's possible to make wind turbines capable of operating in cold weather, even if doing so does not seem very necessary in Texas.
Wind Energy in Cold Climates
Based on actual measurements, icing can occur up to 20% of the time between the months of November and April. Wind turbines must therefore be able to sustain at least limited icing without incurring damage that would prevent normal operation.

Wind turbine manufacturers are increasingly recognizing the impacts of cold climate operation and are building turbines better equipped to handle winter conditions. With the installation of “cold weather packages” which provide heating to turbine components such as the gearbox, yaw and pitch motors and battery, some turbines can operate in temperatures down to -30C.

Various types of rotor blade de-icing and anti-icing mechanisms, such as heating and water-resistant coatings are currently being employed, as well as operational strategies to limit ice accumulation.
Ice protection systems for wind turbines in cold climate: characteristics, comparisons and analysis - ScienceDirect
The abstract only stated what work the authors done, and not the authors' conclusions.

Also, the generators can be replaced cheaply with ones that don't fail on the cold; the most expensive part of a wind turbine is the pylon.
 

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I live in Corsicana, fifty miles south of Dallas. We pretty much have nothing to prepare us for supremely cold weather like they have up in New York or the Dakotas. No snow ploughs, nothing. It usually lasts a day or two and then warms up and goes away. Power is out in half the town, though I have gas stove tops keeping me warm in my apartment.

I was living in El Paso and had to do the same thing. Just got up every morning and turned on the burners. Not fun but it worked. Didn't think about CO at the time, just getting warm. Shut them off when I left for work. Didn't have to use them in the evening as it was warmer by then. I guess this one is different.
 

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People are gonna die in Texas because Texas put profits over people.

People all over the internet will offer apologetics for Texas because it's more important to them to be right about the market than to be compassionate for their fellow humans.

I know there is no Hell, so I'm digging one in the back yard because these people have to go there, even if they only stay long enough to get their asses singed.
 

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It's possible to make wind turbines capable of operating in cold weather, even if doing so does not seem very necessary in Texas.
Wind Energy in Cold Climates
Based on actual measurements, icing can occur up to 20% of the time between the months of November and April. Wind turbines must therefore be able to sustain at least limited icing without incurring damage that would prevent normal operation.

Wind turbine manufacturers are increasingly recognizing the impacts of cold climate operation and are building turbines better equipped to handle winter conditions. With the installation of “cold weather packages” which provide heating to turbine components such as the gearbox, yaw and pitch motors and battery, some turbines can operate in temperatures down to -30C.

Various types of rotor blade de-icing and anti-icing mechanisms, such as heating and water-resistant coatings are currently being employed, as well as operational strategies to limit ice accumulation.
Ice protection systems for wind turbines in cold climate: characteristics, comparisons and analysis - ScienceDirect
The abstract only stated what work the authors done, and not the authors' conclusions.
PEI (Prince Edward Island) in the Canadian Maritimes has a decent amount of wind turbines... and cold weather.

They seem to be fine.

article said:
The wind farms generated 75,531 megawatt-hours of energy in February. That's 11 per cent more than the previous best month, 67,850 in December 2018.
 

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PEI (Prince Edward Island) in the Canadian Maritimes has a decent amount of wind turbines... and cold weather.

They seem to be fine.

article said:
The wind farms generated 75,531 megawatt-hours of energy in February. That's 11 per cent more than the previous best month, 67,850 in December 2018.

So to be clear here, the liberals are declaring a state of emergency and doing something about it...

While the republicans are busy spinning lies about wind power.

That sounds pretty on-brand for both.
 

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Lpetrich: thank you for doing all this research. The best way to fight the right is to rely on researched evidence and links. Any, the Texans are being incredibly hypocritical. Having said that, Biden, as the uniter, needs to help Texas.
 

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LOL, that tweet. I clicked it to see that it was real. I'm actually shocked with the honesty. It's like a slap in the face, or a polar bear plunge.

We need to look out for Texas. It would have been easier if the texas government hadn't been so shitty in the past. But before long texas is going to go blue from shit like this.

Are the right wing political whores still blasting wind power?
 

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LOL, that tweet. I clicked it to see that it was real. I'm actually shocked with the honesty. It's like a slap in the face, or a polar bear plunge.

We need to look out for Texas. It would have been easier if the texas government hadn't been so shitty in the past. But before long texas is going to go blue from shit like this.

Are the right wing political whores still blasting wind power?

I remember when Reagan took office and had the solar panels removed at the White House. Stupidity is endemic in many members of our species.
 

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This crisis is my fault.
Just Yesterday I was discussing importance of passive homes with some idiots in Russia and said "One day you have gas for heating, next day you don't" And idiot replied "When such a thing ever happened?"
I did not know that was going to happen so soon. Maybe I should discuss Trump's health now? :)
 

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steven monacelli on Twitter: "We need an investigation into why these "rolling" outages haven't been rolling into rich enclaves like Highland Park and Preston Hollow or into Downtown Dallas commercial buildings while other parts of the city have remained without power for the entire day." / Twitter

Andrew Lawrence on Twitter: "Texas Gov. Abbott blames solar and wind for the blackouts in his state and says "this shows how the Green New Deal would be a deadly deal for the United States of America" (link)" / Twitter
then
Steve Vladeck on Twitter: "Even @ERCOT_ISO has confirmed that most of the generating loss has come from (largely deregulated) gas and nuclear facilities.

Rather than taking ownership for *any* of this crisis, @GregAbbott_TX is lying about its cause—to try to score cheap (and inaccurate) political points." / Twitter


County Judge KP George on Twitter: "Why is our Governor on FOX with political hacks complaining about...windmills? I invite him to visit 90 yr olds in Fort Bend w/o heat, water, or power on O2 tanks. Stop the rhetoric. We need leadership, not empty presidential ambitions. We already have empty power grids... (link)" / Twitter
Fox News -- it figures.
County Judge KP George on Twitter: "There is unbelievable human suffering right now, while our first responder crews are at stretched capacities. We need SOLUTIONS. The State, ERCOT, CenterPoint, etc. knew of the storm yet here we are with ZERO solutions & ZERO ETAs. My residents are boiling snow to flush toilets." / Twitter
and
County Judge KP George on Twitter: "This is full failed leadership...in the Energy Capital of the world.

Not "windmills." (link)" / Twitter

noting
Texas’ power grid crumples under the cold | Ars Technica - "Competition for natural gas and frozen wind turbines are only some of the problems."
So while having Texas' full wind-generating capacity online would help, the problems with meeting demand appear to lie elsewhere. An ERCOT director told Bloomberg that problems were widespread across generating sources, including coal, natural gas, and even nuclear plants. In the past, severe cold has caused US supplies of natural gas to be constrained, as use in residential heating competes with its use in generating electricity. But that doesn't explain the shortfalls in coal and nuclear, and the ERCOT executive wasn't willing to speculate.
 

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steven monacelli on Twitter: "We need an investigation into why these "rolling" outages haven't been rolling into rich enclaves like Highland Park and Preston Hollow or into Downtown Dallas commercial buildings while other parts of the city have remained without power for the entire day." / Twitter

Andrew Lawrence on Twitter: "Texas Gov. Abbott blames solar and wind for the blackouts in his state and says "this shows how the Green New Deal would be a deadly deal for the United States of America" (link)" / Twitter
then
Steve Vladeck on Twitter: "Even @ERCOT_ISO has confirmed that most of the generating loss has come from (largely deregulated) gas and nuclear facilities.

Rather than taking ownership for *any* of this crisis, @GregAbbott_TX is lying about its cause—to try to score cheap (and inaccurate) political points." / Twitter


County Judge KP George on Twitter: "Why is our Governor on FOX with political hacks complaining about...windmills? I invite him to visit 90 yr olds in Fort Bend w/o heat, water, or power on O2 tanks. Stop the rhetoric. We need leadership, not empty presidential ambitions. We already have empty power grids... (link)" / Twitter
Fox News -- it figures.
County Judge KP George on Twitter: "There is unbelievable human suffering right now, while our first responder crews are at stretched capacities. We need SOLUTIONS. The State, ERCOT, CenterPoint, etc. knew of the storm yet here we are with ZERO solutions & ZERO ETAs. My residents are boiling snow to flush toilets." / Twitter
and
County Judge KP George on Twitter: "This is full failed leadership...in the Energy Capital of the world.

Not "windmills." (link)" / Twitter

noting
Texas’ power grid crumples under the cold | Ars Technica - "Competition for natural gas and frozen wind turbines are only some of the problems."
So while having Texas' full wind-generating capacity online would help, the problems with meeting demand appear to lie elsewhere. An ERCOT director told Bloomberg that problems were widespread across generating sources, including coal, natural gas, and even nuclear plants. In the past, severe cold has caused US supplies of natural gas to be constrained, as use in residential heating competes with its use in generating electricity. But that doesn't explain the shortfalls in coal and nuclear, and the ERCOT executive wasn't willing to speculate.

"ERCOT representative wasn't willing to speculate"...

Sounds to me like structural support infrastructure for power lines wasn't designed with ice weight involved, that pipes were not buried with cold snaps in mind, and that gas lines and pumps were not placed with cold weather expansion/contraction in mind.
 

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steven monacelli on Twitter: "We need an investigation into why these "rolling" outages haven't been rolling into rich enclaves like Highland Park and Preston Hollow or into Downtown Dallas commercial buildings while other parts of the city have remained without power for the entire day." / Twitter

Andrew Lawrence on Twitter: "Texas Gov. Abbott blames solar and wind for the blackouts in his state and says "this shows how the Green New Deal would be a deadly deal for the United States of America" (link)" / Twitter
then
Steve Vladeck on Twitter: "Even @ERCOT_ISO has confirmed that most of the generating loss has come from (largely deregulated) gas and nuclear facilities.

Rather than taking ownership for *any* of this crisis, @GregAbbott_TX is lying about its cause—to try to score cheap (and inaccurate) political points." / Twitter


County Judge KP George on Twitter: "Why is our Governor on FOX with political hacks complaining about...windmills? I invite him to visit 90 yr olds in Fort Bend w/o heat, water, or power on O2 tanks. Stop the rhetoric. We need leadership, not empty presidential ambitions. We already have empty power grids... (link)" / Twitter
Fox News -- it figures.
County Judge KP George on Twitter: "There is unbelievable human suffering right now, while our first responder crews are at stretched capacities. We need SOLUTIONS. The State, ERCOT, CenterPoint, etc. knew of the storm yet here we are with ZERO solutions & ZERO ETAs. My residents are boiling snow to flush toilets." / Twitter
and
County Judge KP George on Twitter: "This is full failed leadership...in the Energy Capital of the world.

Not "windmills." (link)" / Twitter

noting
Texas’ power grid crumples under the cold | Ars Technica - "Competition for natural gas and frozen wind turbines are only some of the problems."
So while having Texas' full wind-generating capacity online would help, the problems with meeting demand appear to lie elsewhere. An ERCOT director told Bloomberg that problems were widespread across generating sources, including coal, natural gas, and even nuclear plants. In the past, severe cold has caused US supplies of natural gas to be constrained, as use in residential heating competes with its use in generating electricity. But that doesn't explain the shortfalls in coal and nuclear, and the ERCOT executive wasn't willing to speculate.

"ERCOT representative wasn't willing to speculate"...

Sounds to me like structural support infrastructure for power lines wasn't designed with ice weight involved, that pipes were not buried with cold snaps in mind, and that gas lines and pumps were not placed with cold weather expansion/contraction in mind.

Nah, let's mindlessly blame the evil commie democrats instead.
 

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Yeah, why shrug and say "We weren't prepared for such a historic cold spell" when you can blame "Ocasio-Cortez" and "wind mills".
 

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Natural gas, not wind turbines, main driver of Texas power shortage

The numbers show that natural gas plants were the biggest cause of the power shortfall, not wind.
The state’s grid operator said Feb. 15 that about 34 gigawatts of power were offline. But of that, about 4 gigawatts was due to problems with wind turbines. The rest came mainly from the state’s primary sources, natural gas and coal.

But fuck "the numbers", right Trausti? Blame the DEMONKRATZ and their commie wind power (that Texas hypocritically relies upon, and that out-performs coal and gas in a crisis).
 

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Andrew Lawrence on Twitter: "Texas Gov. Abbott blames solar and wind for the blackouts in his state and says "this shows how the Green New Deal would be a deadly deal for the United States of America" (vid link)" / Twitter
From his recent Fox News appearance, with host Sean Hannity.

Then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "I go offline a few days and return to a GOP Gov blaming policies he hasn’t even implemented for his own failures.

Gov. Abbott doesn’t seem to have a grasp on his state, so here’s a reminder: Texas runs 80-90% on fossil fuels.

The real “deadly deal” is his failed leadership." / Twitter



🌊 🌊 🌊 Jeff Hancock🌊 🌊 🌊 on Twitter: "@AOC Senator Ted Cruz has the nerve to ask President Biden for federal aid in Texas although he personally rejected federal aid for Hurricane Sandy relief. We will help Texans, but not Cruz." / Twitter
I remember some right-wingers getting all righteous about self-reliance and the evils of dependence on government. But they forgot all that when it's a Republican-dominated state that suffers some natural disaster.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "The infrastructure failures in Texas are quite literally what happens when you *don’t* pursue a Green New Deal." / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Weak on sweeping next-gen public infrastructure investments, little focus on equity so communities are left behind, climate deniers in leadership so they don’t long prep for disaster. We need to help people *now.*

Long-term we must realize these are the consequences of inaction." / Twitter
 

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Dear Tex Guv....

Roses are red,
It's colder than shit,
Wind turbines function*
In Antarctica, you twit.


*That's "properly maintained wind turbines," obviously.
 

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By that token I could conclude human brains are nonfunctional by pointing to the geniuses who decided to isolate Texas to its own grid.

The reality, of course, is that countries like Canada, Denmark, and Sweden all use wind power as well. Maybe we should be importing the commie wind generators

Actually, Texas was the first state to tie their power generation together in a grid. Over the years there were discussions to tie the grid in Texas to the other two major grids, but statistically, it never improved the reliability of the Texas grid. There were enough power plants in the state of Texas and enough interconnection capacity to keep the state powered through any foreseeable combination of the demand for power and the loss of power production.

Power system availability shares the same problem with other infrastructure, how much do we plan for increasingly rare combinations of power production and demand. Do we now plan for sub-zero temperatures in Texas at a considerable cost for a once in 100-year occurrence? What do we do? Insulate homes better to lower the demand for power at an added price for homes of 5 to 10%? Do we bury more electrical distribution or transmission lines at the added cost of 40 to 600% paid through our power bills?

Power generation has a further burden because we are trying to impose a profit motive onto what probably should be a government infrastructure supply. Profits are a counter-intuitive process to power system availability. About 60% of your power bill now goes to the gross margin of the power company; depreciation, interest, taxes, etc., and ~23% profits, not to pay for the generation and distribution of electrical power. Is it worth it in a non-competitive industry? I would like to see that argument if you believe that it is.
 
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