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The book of Mormon - part 3 of the Bible?

I may be obtuse, but I think the objections raised to the LDS church above are about the utter inanity of their theology, scriptures, claims to prophetical powers. If you wish to exclude those considerations from discussion, look at the name of this website.

Well, I always thought the name Freethinker was a little strange if it comes to that. It seems to refer to the thoughts people refuse to entertain, which to my mind is antithetical to the normal definition of freedom. How are closed minds free ones. If you're afraid that being too open-minded will cause your brain to fall out, you might be safe but you aren't free.
 
I've read the BOM. I've read a lot about Mormonism. Am I to remain open forever to the possibility that...
Native Americans have ancient Hebrew ancestors?
Joseph Smith really could translate Egyptian characters?
God mandated polygamy in the physical world, then rescinded the order and reassigned it to the afterlife?
Specially ordained underclothes can gird you against sin or destruction?
Adam = God?
A dark-skinned race is a mark of sin?
Too many et ceteras to count.
 
I may be obtuse, but I think the objections raised to the LDS church above are about the utter inanity of their theology, scriptures, claims to prophetical powers. If you wish to exclude those considerations from discussion, look at the name of this website.

Well, I always thought the name Freethinker was a little strange if it comes to that. It seems to refer to the thoughts people refuse to entertain, which to my mind is antithetical to the normal definition of freedom. How are closed minds free ones. If you're afraid that being too open-minded will cause your brain to fall out, you might be safe but you aren't free.

Freethinking is about the dogmatic rules people refuse to be bound by, not any thoughts that they refuse to entertain.

You can entertain any thoughts you like, but you need not feel obligated to let any of them move in on a permanent basis.
 
Do they get sent to Hell as well, or are they transferred to their dad's Heaven or something?
Well, Mormons don't have Hell.
They have a place that people go when they die that's so much better than this world, they will call it paradise. If you went from this first place back to Earth, you'd think you were in Hell.

If they're Christains, they go to a second place, that's so much better than the first place, that it's paradise. If you went from 2nd Heaven to 1st Heaven, you'd think you were in Hell.

If you're Mormon, you go to Mormon Heaven. Which is so much better...paradise...think you were in Hell.


....Frankly, makes me think of that M*A*S*H episode where they built the Officer's Club? For the officers? But at the last minute, Hawkeye found a way to justify letting everyone inside? Officer, enlisted, patients, Supply....
If I were a being of infinite mercy, I'd let everyone I loved into the best afterlife. Because _I_ loved them. Whether they loved me or not. I mean, infinite mercy, not carefully rationed mercy, or infinite petty.
But that's me.
 
Lots of Mormon stereotypes here. I've spent a lot of time around Deseret, and while the LDS church itself has all the problems of a conservative, calcinated religious hierarchy, I have generally found Mormons to be decent folks, or at least no less decent than the general population. There's something Taoist about their reverence for the starstuff we're made from. All Christians say that the body is a temple of God, but they often don't show it really.

Yea, yeah they are mostly ordinary people. That being said the religion is filled with idiosyncrasies and downright weirdness.

Two young Mormon women have been recruiting and reading to residents where I live.

One aspect is accepting the LDS president as god on Earth, like the catholic pope.

Mit Romney was part of a ritual that baptized dead Jews so they could get into heaven. There is a facility for it with a baptismal bath.

It is patriarchal. There is a cult as I would put it were the wife formally submits to husband in all things in a family. It is an attitude and does not necessarily infer mental or physical abuse. The man reigns supreme in authority over wife and kids.

https://www.lds.org/study/ensign/1984/09/being-a-wife?lang=eng

Then there is the holy underwear.

Catholics are mostly ordinary people too.

https://religionnews.com/2017/12/21/mormons-perform-baptisms-on-holocaust-victim

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Mormons are posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims as well as grandparents of public figures like Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton and Steven Spielberg, despite church rules intended to restrict the ceremonies to a member’s ancestors, according to a researcher who has spent two decades monitoring the church’s massive genealogical database.

The discoveries made by former Mormon Helen Radkey and shared with The Associated Press likely will bring new scrutiny to a deeply misunderstood practice that has become a sensitive issue for the church. The church, in a statement, acknowledged the ceremonies violated its policy and said they would be invalidated, while also noting its created safeguards in recent years to improve compliance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment



Post-1979 two-piece temple garments end just above the knee for both sexes. Women's garments have cap sleeves with either a rounded or sweetheart neckline. Male tops are available in tee-shirt styles.[1]
A temple garment, also referred to as garments, the garment of the holy priesthood,[2][3][4] or Mormon underwear,[5] is a type of underwear worn by adherents of the Latter Day Saint movement after they have taken part in the endowment ceremony. Garments are worn both day and night and are required for any adult who previously participated in the endowment ceremony to enter a temple.[6] The undergarments are viewed as a symbolic reminder of the covenants made in temple ceremonies and are seen as a symbolic and/or literal source of protection from the evils of the world.[7]

The garment is given as part of the washing and anointing portion of the endowment. Today, the temple garment is worn primarily by members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and by members of some Mormon fundamentalist churches.[8][9] Adherents consider them to be sacred and not suitable for public display. Anti-Mormon activists have occasionally publicly displayed or defaced temple garments to advance their opposition to the LDS Church.[10]

Temple garments are sometimes derided as "magic underwear" by non-Mormons, but Mormons view this terminology to be both misleading and offensive.[11][12][13
 
Mormonism is a perfect documented example of how in around 009 years starting with one person how a global religion evolved complete with a mythology, scripture, and sure natural events.

If it were not so well documented the westward journey would be glorious with tales of god vanquishing enemies, like the Hebrews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons
 
That's what got me started on my lifelong interest in the LDS church -- I wondered how, in modern times, could a new faith arrive with a new scripture. Surely it would have the disadvantage that the pre-CE faiths didn't have -- namely, an easily traced historical record. And that it does. But the escape route from that scrutiny is to impress upon the faithful that they should avoid all reading that throws doubt on the company narrative. One often-quoted Mormon mantra is that 'when the general authorities decide an issue, the thinking has been done.'
Anyway, this church has enough tangles in its history to make it a fascinating subject. Another angle on Joseph Smith's peep stone: it still exists -- I think it's kept in the church president's office safe. It is described as a smooth, chocolate-colored stone that JS took a fancy to. It got him in trouble, too -- he used it in a short-lived attempt to hire out as a treasure finder to farmers in northern PA. He was tried in 1827 as a con man ('glass looker', in the parlance of the day) and was convicted. Two years later he was using the peep stone to translate what he claimed was a cache of pure gold plates.
 
It is quite impressive. Just think how much more successful the LDS would be if they were allowed to set people on fire if they asked awkward questions, and it becomes very easy to see why the Roman Catholics dominated European history throughout the middle ages.
 
It is quite impressive. Just think how much more successful the LDS would be if they were allowed to set people on fire if they asked awkward questions, and it becomes very easy to see why the Roman Catholics dominated European history throughout the middle ages.

I would certainly be dead several times over! Still, I try to focus on the best in people. Keeps me sane.
 
People are superstitious and have a need to believe in something. Those of us who are neither seem to be a small minority.

When they made the westward exodus from the east where they were not liked I am sure he made use of the biblical exodus story. He claimed he was leading a lost Hebrew tribe. That would have resonated among converts from regular Christianity.

19th century America was very superstitious. I'd have to check the story, I believe Smith as a kid was seen as a psychic or seer of the day. Dreams and visions and the like.

American spiritualism began in the late 19th century. Séances, channeling. There were a number of well know hoaxes including manipulating photographs.
 
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