saeedalyousuf
New member
What is the conclusive (fateful) reason, for, disbelief in the creator of the universe and, how?
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Saeed H H Alyousuf
-
Features
The Conclusive Reason?
- Thread starter saeedalyousuf
- Start date
Perspicuo
Veteran Member
Again?
--------
But you know we'll bite, that's why you posted this as you always do. You know we love to argue till the cows come home.
--------
But you know we'll bite, that's why you posted this as you always do. You know we love to argue till the cows come home.
Stavian
New member
There is not reasonably satisfactory basis for belief in the existence of the creator.
The proposed creator does not have a Real Human Life.
The proposed creator is not in The Absolute Reality.
The proposed creator's Future Existence is not Guaranteed.
The proposed creator does not have a Real Human Life.
The proposed creator is not in The Absolute Reality.
The proposed creator's Future Existence is not Guaranteed.
Keith&Co.
Contributor
- Joined
- Mar 31, 2006
- Messages
- 22,444
- Location
- Far Western Mass
- Gender
- Here.
- Basic Beliefs
- I'm here...
I don't have a conclusive reason. That would be why i'm a soft atheist.
braces_for_impact
Veteran Member
Still trying to shift that burden of proof I see. I understand, it's a heavy burden, especially after carrying it around for +/- 10,000 years. I'd be trying to get rid of it too. Fortunately, for me things are really easy. You try to hand this shit storm and I say, "Nope, that's all you buddy, it's your burden, not mine."
It's good to travel light.
It's good to travel light.
saeedalyousuf
New member
What else?
S:
What is else, other than the creator of the universe, is worth to believe in?
Saeed
S:
What is else, other than the creator of the universe, is worth to believe in?
Saeed
Stupid question #1:
I don't believe in a creator because there is no evidence to suggest the existence of a creator. If you have evidence that supports the idea the universe has a creator, feel free to present it any time.
Stupid question #2:
There are lots and lots of things that are worth believing in. The idea that the universe was created by an invisible supercreator is not not one of them. If you disagree, explain why.
Saeed, we know you are here not to debate but to preach. It is pointless trying to reason with someone who is as badly brainwashed as you.
Keith&Co.
Contributor
- Joined
- Mar 31, 2006
- Messages
- 22,444
- Location
- Far Western Mass
- Gender
- Here.
- Basic Beliefs
- I'm here...
Spongebob, Yoda, Superman, Spiderman, Gulliver, the Lollypop Guild, the Mildendo Choir of Lilliput, Ptah, Odin, Thor, Jehovah, the Sour Grapes Fox, the Little Red Hen, the Black Knight, Princess Leia, Princess Leia's Metal Slave Bikini, Seven of Nine, Six of Nine, Compassionate republicans, creationist evidence, fat-free spare ribs, Abby Sciuto, Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Dr. Gregory House and Aphrodite's panties.
I don't believe in them, but they're equally worthy.
Jimmy Higgins
Contributor
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2001
- Messages
- 44,109
- Basic Beliefs
- Calvinistic Atheist
You mean "creator(s)", right?
"Worth" believing in? Well for a society to thrive, compassion would be one major component that is "worth" believing in.
I don't find any reason to disbelieve in a creator. I also don't find any reason to believe in one either. The fact, as far as I can see it, is unknowable.
The real question is: does the universe having or not having a creator have any affect on our lives? In other words, is the question even relevant? To that my answer is no.
The real question is: does the universe having or not having a creator have any affect on our lives? In other words, is the question even relevant? To that my answer is no.
cycomiko
Member
Why do we need to believe in anything at all?
Mageth
Senior Member
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2001
- Messages
- 849
- Basic Beliefs
- Atheist
Well...according to Annie...
" I believe in the Church of Baseball. I've tried all the major religions, and most of the minor ones. I've worshipped Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan. I know things. For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I heard that, I gave Jesus a chance. But it just didn't work out between us. The Lord laid too much guilt on me. I prefer metaphysics to theology. You see, there's no guilt in baseball, and it's never boring... which makes it like sex. There's never been a ballplayer slept with me who didn't have the best year of his career. Making love is like hitting a baseball: you just gotta relax and concentrate. Besides, I'd never sleep with a player hitting under .250... not unless he had a lot of RBIs and was a great glove man up the middle. You see, there's a certain amount of life wisdom I give these boys. I can expand their minds. Sometimes when I've got a ballplayer alone, I'll just read Emily Dickinson or Walt Whitman to him, and the guys are so sweet, they always stay and listen. 'Course, a guy'll listen to anything if he thinks it's foreplay. I make them feel confident, and they make me feel safe, and pretty. 'Course, what I give them lasts a lifetime; what they give me lasts 142 games. Sometimes it seems like a bad trade. But bad trades are part of baseball - now who can forget Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas, for God's sake? It's a long season and you gotta trust it. I've tried 'em all, I really have, and the only church that truly feeds the soul, day in, day out, is the Church of Baseball."
Or...according to Crash...
" Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
I'm good with both...
(Ask, and you shall receive...)
Mageth
Senior Member
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2001
- Messages
- 849
- Basic Beliefs
- Atheist
It doesn't exist. QED
KeepTalking
Code Monkey
- Joined
- Jan 15, 2010
- Messages
- 4,641
- Location
- St. Louis Metro East
- Basic Beliefs
- Atheist, Secular Humanist, Pastifarian, IPUnitard
The Paul
Member
It might be fun to play along with this whole "I can force my god to exist via word games" thing if Saeed wasn't butts at word games.
Jimmy Higgins
Contributor
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2001
- Messages
- 44,109
- Basic Beliefs
- Calvinistic Atheist
I ponder the opposite question. IE, the conclusive (fateful) reason for belief in a creator. The only answer that comes to mind is desperation.
Underseer
Contributor
It is the same as the reason I don't believe in leprechauns: there is zero evidence that leprechauns exist, and no good arguments for the existence of leprechauns.
There is no good evidence and no good arguments for the existence of bigfoot.
There is no good evidence and no good arguments for the existence of Chupacabra.
Now as I am intellectually honest, I will readily acknowledge that all three existence claims are non-falsifiable, and therefore I cannot disprove those existence claims. This is the nature of most such existence claims: they cannot be disproved even if they are false, but they can be proved if they are true. That's why I will simply regard these existence claims as being not worth my time unless and until someone shows me evidence that one of these fantastical things exists. Sure, I can't technically disprove any of them, but I am perfectly content to walk through my life with the assumption that they don't exist because I see no reason to take those existence claims seriously. Show me the evidence and I change my mind. It really is that simple.
Your problem is that you think there is a big difference between the existence claim for one or more of the 8000 gods that are or have ever been worshiped by man, and things like bigfoot, leprechauns, and Chupacabra.
- - - Updated - - -
What's fun about these word games is that they never seem to notice that the same word games can be played with the 8000+ other gods from the 3000+ other religions that are or have ever been worshiped by man. Somehow, the logic of their arguments is rock-solid when applied to their god(s), but not when the same exact arguments are applied to any of the 8000+ other gods. It's as if the logic of their own arguments magically becomes flawed when applied to different conclusions.
Valjean
Veteran Member
- Joined
- Dec 26, 2009
- Messages
- 1,349
- Location
- Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
- Basic Beliefs
- Vedanta. Many worlds physics, Environmentalism, Socialism.
No evidence.
Same reason I don't believe in unicorns or the Easter bunny.
Same reason I don't believe in unicorns or the Easter bunny.
dystopian
Veteran Member
dockeen
Member
- Joined
- Jun 26, 2010
- Messages
- 489
- Location
- Florida Panhandle, USA
- Basic Beliefs
- Ex-Tian, now a general seeker
I keep coming back to the question of what conclusive reason do people have for not believing in the invisible pink spotted squirrel that lives in a tree in my back yard and has a fool proof plan for your lives.