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The Democrats are dead

The fact that they did not actually cast their votes, however, does not change their ideological stance.

But the fact that they didn't cast their votes means that their useless and pointless stances matter about as much as the opinions of someone like me who lives in another country

Not in a discussion over whether or not "Democrats are dead."

Do you STILL not understand the difference between discussing how fast someone ran and whether or not getting a blue ribbon on a technicality does NOT determine how fast that person ran?

This OP is about how fast someone can run, not whether or not they can game the system. Well, it is partially about gaming the system, but it hinges on measuring how fast someone can run. Which means you look at the fastest runner--and what training they had and their genetic makeup and muscle tone, etc.,etc., etc., iow, all of the particulars that allowed them to run so fase--not the one who got a blue ribbon on a technicality. That was a fluke; a statistical anomaly due to particulars that were unique to the situation and therefore can't ever happen twice, so there is no way to replicate it and no point in analyzing it.
 
The fact that they did not actually cast their votes, however, does not change their ideological stance.

But the fact that they didn't cast their votes means that their useless and pointless stances matter about as much as the opinions of someone like me who lives in another country

Not in a discussion over whether or not the Democratic party is "dead."

Do you STILL not understand the difference between discussing how fast someone ran and whether or not getting a blue ribbon on a technicality does NOT determine how fast that person ran?

This OP is about how fast someone can run, not whether or not they can game the system. Well, it is partially about gaming the system, but it hinges on measuring how fast someone can run.

The OP is about whether or not the Democrats can win elections, not about whether or not they succeed at pointless achievements which give them nothing. That's why the OP included phrases such as "In short, the Democrats are dead, despite the country actually far more liberal than Republicans are".

If they can't put together election wins, it doesn't matter how many people support or agree with them.
 
I'm not as pessimistic as the OP. The Dems never had much of a chance of taking back the Senate, so no surprise there. But, I do think they have an excellent chance of taking back the House, which will at least enable them to put a check on some of Trump's worst actions. Here in Georgia, I've never seen so much enthusiasm from the local Dems. We have an extremely highly qualified candidate for governor. We don't have a Senator up for reelection and I doubt the Dem in my district will win his Congressional seat, largely due to gerrymandering. But, if the Dems in Georgia are going to the polls in what so far looks like record breaking numbers, perhaps there is hope.

The Democratic party has always been compared to herding cats. It's always been called "the big tent party". That does make things more challenging, but I'd rather be a cat than a sheep. So, maybe eventually, the cats will come together for the good of the country and learn to compromise with each other, without becoming sheep. Imo, that's our biggest problem. The Republican party has become the party of fascists in waiting, so hopefully in time, more people will wake up and realize that the grand ole party ain't so grand for them anymore.

Can we please put the last election behind us? It doesn't matter who got the most votes. Trump is in the WH and he's fucking up the country more than anyone before him. Let's move on.
 
In 2020, the angry women vote will destroy Trump and the GOP.

http://www.people-press.org/2018/10...ts-but-most-say-he-stands-up-for-his-beliefs/

Pew Research tells us that 63% of women disapprove of Trump, only 30% approve. Since more women than men vote, Trump is dead meat in 2020. Women voters are now highly energized and it is only going to get worse. This election cycle favored the GOP in the Senate, but the tables turn here in 2020. The Slash and Burn plans of Mitch McConnell will be like pouring gasoline on the GOP and lighting a match.

From Pew
Persistent gender gap. For decades, women have been more likely than men to identify as Democrats or lean Democratic. But today, a 56% majority of women identify as Democrats or lean Democratic, while 37% affiliate with or lean toward the GOP. The share of women identifying as Democrats or leaning Democratic is up 4 percentage points since 2015 and is at one of its highest points since 1992. Among men, there has been less recent change: 48% identify with the Republican Party or lean Republican, while 44% are Democrats or lean Democratic. That is comparable to the balance of leaned party identification since 2014.

Expect the gender gap to only get worse as we go forward to 2020.

http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/resources/genderdiff.pdf

In 2016 63.3% of eligible women voters voted. Only 59.3% of eligible male voters voted. women will be much more energized to vote by 2020.
 
Trump is in the WH and he's fucking up the country more than anyone before him. Let's move on.
ok i'm all for laughing at what a complete shit-show the trump presidency has been, but this is just a ridiculous assertion.
for all his orange bluster, in terms of "fucking up the country" from the perspective of sane, rational, progressive and liberally minded people, trump is thus far a mole hill compared to bush's mt. everest.
 
Not in a discussion over whether or not the Democratic party is "dead."

Do you STILL not understand the difference between discussing how fast someone ran and whether or not getting a blue ribbon on a technicality does NOT determine how fast that person ran?

This OP is about how fast someone can run, not whether or not they can game the system. Well, it is partially about gaming the system, but it hinges on measuring how fast someone can run.

The OP is about whether or not the Democrats can win elections,

Right, so to analyze that one must look at who was the fastest runner. Or are you saying we should look at how to cheat the system, because that is how Trump is in the WH and NOT because he can run faster. Capisca?

That's why the OP included phrases such as "In short, the Democrats are dead, despite the country actually far more liberal than Republicans are".

And I refuted such sophistry. We are NOT "dead" by any stretch of the imagination, again as the 2016 election proved. Hillary won the election, the results of the EC aside. She won it so decisively in fact (particularly when you factor in intent) that it demonstrates exactly where the nation as a whole stands in regard to its political/ideological bent.

Iow, how fast is the runner.

Cheating and winning are not synonyms, unless, again, you are arguing that Dems need to cheat like Republicans do.
 
Cheating and winning are synonyms if the cheating allows you to win and nobody does anything about it.
 
Cheating and winning are synonyms if the cheating allows you to win and nobody does anything about it.

That's what both Mueller and the Democrats are for. It's no secret that the Republicans are evil fuckheads. That is, in fact, the whole point. They didn't win, they cheated. So, ONCE AGAIN, my point is that the only thing we need to do is turn up to vote. Voter turnout is the primary issue for Democrats. None of this other bullshit matters.

In short, whenever you see anyone who says, "Democrats need a unifying message" or "We need a strong candidate that can beat back the 'red wave'" or any such vacuous bumper stickers, they are full of shit (whether they are Dem or Repug).

The nation is 2/3rds Democrat/Democrat leaning. That did not and has not changed. What we need is voter turnout to overwhelm Republican fraud tactics. Period.

ETA: Let me qualify my comments as I did before. We ALWAYS need a strong candidate. That's a given. Our issues, however, are voter turnout, but that is not necessarily the result of the candidate's strength or a "unifying" bumper sticker. Dems don't vote in nearly enough numbers as compared to our voting potential for a number of reasons, many of them caused by Republicans--i.e., such things as gerrymandering; closing/rescheduling voting stations; voter ID laws the impact Dems primarily; felony purge lists; etc--but a large amount due to such things as a sort of reverse Dunning-Kruger effect (i.e., too smart to understand how stupid they are). An excellent case in point would be the millions who didn't vote because they thought Hillary was a lock and/or Trump couldn't possibly win. Another would be the false equivalence lie that is STILL infecting so many (i.e., "Clinton was the same as Trump" or the like).

Republicans, however, do tend to vote. Why? Because Republicans are made up of the evil white men (and their far more evil white women) who have a stronger interest in controlling everyone else and see a direct correlation between their vote and their bank accounts. Unfortunately, the bullied still cower to the bullies just as those who are abused will defend their abusers and/or grow up to abuse.

It's counter-intuitive, but nonetheless true.
 
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... trump is thus far a mole hill compared to bush's mt. everest.

In less than 2 years, vs 12 years of Bushes... Not the biggest fuckup in history (yet)? I can almost hear Donald turning to Brett: "Here - hold my beer"
 
The Democratic party is not dead yet but it is on life support.

They have completely abandoned the working class in favor of identity politics. They have forgot that the people who have paid for all the fake wars (in money and dead children) want a better life just like the people who are attempting to cross the boarders illegally. And they have forgot that the right way to win votes is to provide value for their existing constituents, not try to rig the system by increasing voter base with people who do not technically even live here right now. And they have forgot that populists who voted for Obama (like myself) can be nationalist but still not racist. You would never know this from listening to any of the Democrats (indeed many on this board) but the populists nationalist (anti globalist movement) knows no race, creed, or sex.

So when the Democrats are ready to get off their high horse and actually start to represent the people who actually live here with better jobs and opportunities.... who only want a better place to live and succeed....that is when the Democrats will become relevant again IMO. AFAIC, the sooner the better.
 
... trump is thus far a mole hill compared to bush's mt. everest.

In less than 2 years, vs 12 years of Bushes... Not the biggest fuckup in history (yet)? I can almost hear Donald turning to Brett: "Here - hold my beer"

No one comes close to deserving the biggest fuckup in history award until they are able to best what Cheny did to strip Americans of their constitutional protections. And what Bush did to bring on the biggest banking fiasco in modern history.
 
Cheating and winning are synonyms if the cheating allows you to win and nobody does anything about it.

That's what both Mueller and the Democrats are for. It's no secret that the Republicans are evil fuckheads. That is, in fact, the whole point. They didn't win, they cheated. So, ONCE AGAIN, my point is that the only thing we need to do is turn up to vote. Voter turnout is the primary issue for Democrats. None of this other bullshit matters.

In short, whenever you see anyone who says, "Democrats need a unifying message" or "We need a strong candidate that can beat back the 'red wave'" or any such vacuous bumper stickers, they are full of shit (whether they are Dem or Repug).

The nation is 2/3rds Democrat/Democrat leaning. That did not and has not changed. What we need is voter turnout to overwhelm Republican fraud tactics. Period.

ETA: Let me qualify my comments as I did before. We ALWAYS need a strong candidate. That's a given. Our issues, however, are voter turnout, but that is not necessarily the result of the candidate's strength or a "unifying" bumper sticker. Dems don't vote in nearly enough numbers as compared to our voting potential for a number of reasons, many of them caused by Republicans--i.e., such things as gerrymandering; closing/rescheduling voting stations; voter ID laws the impact Dems primarily; felony purge lists; etc--but a large amount due to such things as a sort of reverse Dunning-Kruger effect (i.e., too smart to understand how stupid they are). An excellent case in point would be the millions who didn't vote because they thought Hillary was a lock and/or Trump couldn't possibly win. Another would be the false equivalence lie that is STILL infecting so many (i.e., "Clinton was the same as Trump" or the like).

Republicans, however, do tend to vote. Why? Because Republicans are made up of the evil white men (and their far more evil white women) who have a stronger interest in controlling everyone else and see a direct correlation between their vote and their bank accounts. Unfortunately, the bullied still cower to the bullies just as those who are abused will defend their abusers and/or grow up to abuse.

It's counter-intuitive, but nonetheless true.

That's a metric shit-ton of qualifications. Perhaps you think a unifying message that gets people excited to participate is somehow decoupled from voter turnout, but I can guarantee you that the number of people who didn't vote, your Indolent Majority if you will, far exceeded anything that Republican voter suppression is capable of producing. Which is where technicalities seem like such a strange hill to die on. The numbers exist to mop the floor with Republicans, and indeed undo most of these efforts in all except the reddest states, but somehow we're hanging our hats on people who lack the means to get government IDs, have middle initials that don't match the voter rolls, or errant hanging chads. Let's have some perspective here.

To put it another way, Nigel Mansell had more fastest laps, but Senna won more championships (and he didn't have a stupid moustache either). That the Dems lost to a guy who has the best words and a good brain should be cause for introspection.

At best Mueller gives us Reverend Kane as president. I'll go chill the champagne.

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The crux of the problem is that narrow-minded dogma and fear-based in-group tribalism are highly effective ways to get people to engage in shared action (like voting for the same party). The Republicans have cultivated that approach for a half century, and they targeted an in-group (white heterosexual Christians) who still comprise the largest group. While they are no longer a majority (43%), the other 57% are divided among many racial and religious lines.

A democrat president took over in 2008 while the country was well on its way into sliding into a full blown depression, and oversaw the greatest economic turnaround in our lifetimes. Every positive aspect of the current economy is a result of that turnaround. Yet, the Democrats lost the presidency, proving that winning the needed votes has little to do with actually helping most Americans economically.
Economics matter more in terms of whether you can craft a narrative about the economy that more people want to believe.
And an easy way to sell a narrative to white Christians is to blame all economic problems on the same thing they blame all moral problems on, everyone that is not a white heterosexual Christian.

The GOP message for decades, and Trump merely sold it louder and less nuanced. As white hetero Christians have lost majority numbers and out-group people have become more visible and vocal, more and more white hetero Christians have bought into this fear-based tribalistic ideolgoy of bigotry that the GOP is selling. It is an easy message to sell to Christians, since they already buy into a religion based on such "values".

There is no such message that the Dems could try to sell. They cannot, because there is no other sub group large enough to compete and in-group tribalism doesn't really work when there is no narrow set of criteria that define the in-group. Also, it is incompatible with secular, liberal principles, without which the Dems have no reason to exist.

In fact, the secular-religious contrast is quite apt, because the messaging advantage of the GOP over the Dems is very similar to and largely overlapping with the messaging advantage of religion and other form of unreason over science and reason.
It's easy to make people react emotionally, irrationally, and unethically just by pushing their buttons.

This seems to be the most correct response IMO. I don’t think it’s much more complicated than this post implies.
 
... trump is thus far a mole hill compared to bush's mt. everest.

In less than 2 years, vs 12 years of Bushes... Not the biggest fuckup in history (yet)? I can almost hear Donald turning to Brett: "Here - hold my beer"

No one comes close to deserving the biggest fuckup in history award until they are able to best what Cheny did to strip Americans of their constitutional protections. And what Bush did to bring on the biggest banking fiasco in modern history.

Yeah? I'd say that Trump's attack on the Constitution tops both of them handily. The net damage is yet to be calculated though. If a stop can be put to his junta then the damage, though lasting, may be reversible and the Bush/Cheney cabal's damage will remain atop the list. If not, the damage done by Cheney and Bush will look like that of a graffiti artist in comparison.
 
The Democratic party is not dead yet but it is on life support.

They have completely abandoned the working class in favor of identity politics.

Vacuous bumper sticker, unless by "working class" you mean "white people." The "working class" did NOT vote for Trump, they voted overwhelmingly for Clinton:

Clinton defeated Trump handily among Americans making less than $50,000 a year. Among voters making more than that, the two candidates ran roughly even. The electorate, however, skews wealthier than the general population. Voters making less than $50,000, whom Clinton won by a proportion of 53 to 41, accounted for only 36 percent of the votes cast, while those making more than $50,000—whom Trump won by a single point—made up 64 percent. The most economically vulnerable Americans voted for Clinton overwhelmingly; the usual presumption is exactly the opposite.

If you look at white voters alone, a different picture emerges. Trump defeated Clinton among white voters in every income category, winning by a margin of 57 to 34 among whites making less than $30,000; 56 to 37 among those making between $30,000 and $50,000; 61 to 33 for those making $50,000 to $100,000; 56 to 39 among those making $100,000 to $200,000; 50 to 45 among those making $200,000 to $250,000; and 48 to 43 among those making more than $250,000. In other words, Trump won white voters at every level of class and income. He won workers, he won managers, he won owners, he won robber barons. This is not a working-class coalition; it is a nationalist one.

Call it "white identity" politics.
 
Perhaps you think a unifying message that gets people excited to participate is somehow decoupled from voter turnout but I can guarantee you that the number of people who didn't vote, your Indolent Majority if you will, far exceeded anything that Republican voter suppression is capable of producing.

It's funny that you chastised me for making a "metric shit ton of qualifications" and then proceeded to assert something that was directly addressed by my qualifications. Regardless, when you're talking about election fraud tactics you're necessarily talking about small percentages, but as we saw in 2016, that's all it takes.

Which is where technicalities seem like such a strange hill to die on.

By "technicalities" are you referring to the fact that when examining who runs the fastest, you look at who ran the fastest, not necessarily who got the ribbon?

The numbers exist to mop the floor with Republicans, and indeed undo most of these efforts in all except the reddest states, but somehow we're hanging our hats on people who lack the means to get government IDs, have middle initials that don't match the voter rolls, or errant hanging chads.

First of all, who is hanging any hat on just those aspects? Secondly, the hats you're referring to in regard to the government IDs and voter purge lists and the like are targeting primarily minority populations (i.e., black and latino) and contribute to the general sense among minorities in particular that their votes don't count and/or that they aren't a part of the system.

We saw how powerful these groups were, however, in the record-breaking turnout overrall for Obama in 2008 and then again (but for blacks only) in 2012 and then the decline in 2016:

A record 137.5 million Americans voted in the 2016 presidential election, according to new data from the U.S. Census Bureau. Overall voter turnout – defined as the share of adult U.S. citizens who cast ballots – was 61.4% in 2016, a share similar to 2012 but below the 63.6% who say they voted in 2008.

A number of long-standing trends in presidential elections either reversed or stalled in 2016, as black voter turnout decreased, white turnout increased and the nonwhite share of the U.S. electorate remained flat since the 2012 election. Here are some key takeaways from the Census Bureau’s report, the data source with the most comprehensive demographic and statistical portrait of U.S. voters.

The black voter turnout rate declined for the first time in 20 years in a presidential election, falling to 59.6% in 2016 after reaching a record-high 66.6% in 2012. The 7-percentage-point decline from the previous presidential election is the largest on record for blacks. (It’s also the largest percentage-point decline among any racial or ethnic group since white voter turnout dropped from 70.2% in 1992 to 60.7% in 1996.) The number of black voters also declined, falling by about 765,000 to 16.4 million in 2016, representing a sharp reversal from 2012. With Barack Obama on the ballot that year, the black voter turnout rate surpassed that of whites for the first time. Among whites, the 65.3% turnout rate in 2016 represented a slight increase from 64.1% in 2012.
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[W]hites made up 73.3% of voters in 2016, a share unchanged from 2012, when they accounted for 73.7%. Meanwhile, blacks made up 11.9% of voters in 2016, down from 12.9% in 2012 – the first time since 2004 that blacks have declined as a share of voters.

This is in line with Nate Cohn's analysis as well:

This was mainly a result of higher white and Hispanic turnout; black turnout was roughly in line with our pre-election expectations. On average, white and Hispanic turnout was 4 percent higher than we expected, while black turnout was 1 percent lower than expected.

The stronger Republican turnout among white voters narrowed the Democratic registration edge below pre-election expectations in Florida, Pennsylvania and North Carolina.

So how much did turnout contribute to Mr. Trump’s victory? As the party registration numbers and turnout figures by race imply, just a bit. But Mr. Trump won the election by just a bit — by only 0.7 percentage points in Pennsylvania, for example.

So, small changes can have big impacts, particularly in regard to "technicalities" like the EC. Which is why looking at the details (how fast the runners ran) is more important than looking at who is in the WH.

Pew did the most comprehensive report yet on the 2016 electorate, matching respondents to their voter registration to confirm that the polling actually corresponded to people who did in fact vote (as opposed to other such studies that rely on self-reporting):

This report is based on surveys conducted on Pew Research Center’s nationally representative American Trends Panel. The Center tracked views of Trump among the same groups of Americans in March 2018 and at three points in 2016, including in November shortly after the election. In that survey, respondents reported whom they had voted for.

When state voter files – publicly available records of who turned out to vote – became available months after the election, respondents were matched to these files. Self-reported turnout was not used in this analysis; rather, researchers took extensive effort to determine which respondents had in fact voted. And unlike other studies that have employed voter validation, this one employs five different commercial voter files in an effort to minimize the possibility that actual voters were incorrectly classified as nonvoters due to errors in locating their turnout records.

Clear? Notable findings:

This study also includes a detailed portrait of the electorate – which also is based on the reported voting preferences of validated voters. It casts the widely reported educational divide among white voters in 2016 into stark relief: A majority of white college graduates (55%) reported voting for Hillary Clinton, compared with 38% who supported Trump. Among the much larger share of white voters who did not complete college, 64% backed Trump and just 28% supported Clinton.

So we see--once again--non-college educated white guys as the central problem, but what exactly does that entail? Here's a more extensive breakdown:

Overall, whites with a four-year college degree or more education made up 30% of all validated voters. Among these voters, far more (55%) said they voted for Clinton than for Trump (38%). Among the much larger group of white voters who had not completed college (44% of all voters), Trump won by more than two-to-one (64% to 28%).

There also were large differences in voter preferences by gender, age and marital status. Women were 13 percentage points more likely than men to have voted for Clinton (54% among women, 41% among men). The gender gap was particularly large among validated voters younger than 50. In this group, 63% of women said they voted for Clinton, compared with just 43% of men. Among voters ages 50 and older, the gender gap in support for Clinton was much narrower (48% vs. 40%).

About half (52%) of validated voters were married; among them, Trump had a 55% to 39% majority. Among unmarried voters, Clinton led by a similar margin (58% to 34%).

Just 13% of validated voters in 2016 were younger than 30. Voters in this age group reported voting for Clinton over Trump by a margin of 58% to 28%, with 14% supporting one of the third-party candidates. Among voters ages 30 to 49, 51% supported Clinton and 40% favored Trump. Trump had an advantage among 50- to 64-year-old voters (51% to 45%) and those 65 and older (53% to 44%).

Most revealing:

About a third of Clinton voters (32%) lived in urban areas, versus just 12% among Trump voters. By contrast, 35% of Trump voters said they were from a rural area; among Clinton voters, 19% lived in a rural community.

So, that's voters. The problem area for those who actually voted were non-college educated white people in rural areas, but apparently NOT those making little to no money (aka, "working class"). Iow, the problem area--apparently--were non-college educated white people in rural areas that nevertheless were making pretty good money ($75K or more). Iow, older white people.

Now, more to the point, what about non-voters?

The data also provide a profile of voting-eligible nonvoters. Four-in-ten Americans who were eligible to vote did not do so in 2016. There are striking demographic differences between voters and nonvoters, and significant political differences as well. Compared with validated voters, nonvoters were more likely to be younger, less educated, less affluent and nonwhite. And nonvoters were much more Democratic.

Among members of the panel who were categorized as nonvoters, 37% expressed a preference for Hillary Clinton, 30% for Donald Trump and 9% for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein; 14% preferred another candidate or declined to express a preference.

Pause a moment there. A clear, expressed preference for Hillary over Trump by 7%. There were some 70 Million non-voters (eligible, but did not vote). By this metric alone that's an additional 5 million vote differential added to Hillary's established vote count, or a total of some 8 million votes (had they voted) over Trump, once again supporting my point that the nation as a whole is Democratic and that the key is voter turnout. They wanted Hillary, they just didn't get off their asses to actually vote.

Further evidence supporting:

Party affiliation among nonvoters skewed even more Democratic than did candidate preferences. Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents made up a 55% majority of nonvoters; about four-in-ten (41%) nonvoters were Republicans and Republican leaners. Voters were split almost evenly between Democrats and Democratic leaners (51%) and Republicans and Republican leaners (48%).

While nonvoters were less likely than voters to align with the GOP, the picture was less clear with respect to ideology. Owing in part to the tendency of nonvoters to be politically disengaged more generally, there are far more nonvoters than voters who fall into the “mixed” category on the ideological consistency scale. Among nonvoters who hold a set of political values with a distinct ideological orientation, those with generally liberal values (30% of all nonvoters) considerably outnumbered those with generally conservative values (18%).

And the demographics:

Voters were much more highly educated than nonvoters. Just 16% of nonvoters were college graduates, compared with 37% of voters. Adults with only a high school education constituted half (51%) of nonvoters, compared with 30% among voters. Whites without a college degree made up 43% of nonvoters, about the same as among voters (44%). But nonwhites without a college degree were far more numerous among nonvoters (at 42%) than they were among voters (19%).

There also were wide income differences between voters and nonvoters. More than half (56%) of nonvoters reported annual family incomes under $30,000. Among voters, just 28% fell into this income category.

So, again, we see that there was no sea change ideologically, which means there were other factors than political ideology at play. And no, the "message" wasn't the issue either as--again--the numbers prove that the preference was overwhelmingly pro-Hillary.

So why did people not vote for someone they wanted to vote for? A logical answer to that question (at least in part) would be the fact that so many people believed Hillary was going to win no matter what and/or that Trump couldn't possibly win, so there was no need to get off their ass and vote. Another logical answer (based on the demographics above) would be the various impediments to voting (aka, election fraud tactics).

Again, we're talking about those who stated their preference but just didn't vote, so this is NOT about ideological concerns or identity politics. Iow, it's NOT "I hated Hillary." It's precisely the opposite. They did not hate Hillary, they wanted Hillary, but they nevertheless did not cast their vote accordingly.

Something else stopped these people from executing their preference at the ballot box. So that is the question and NOT what the Electoral College did (or, in this case, didn't do).

Let's have some perspective here.

Provided.
 
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It's going to be a very interesting post mortem ... I am particularly interested in the differences between the pre-election polling and the actual counts (assuming we GET actual counts).
It's one thing to pick up your land line and tell some stranger "yeah I'm voting republican - for Trump" and quite another to actually get up out of the la-z-boy and wait a few hours at the polling station.

Looking at the early voting numbers out of GA, I'm either wildly wrong, or the 'thugs are in real trouble there, despite their best voter suppression efforts. Their only hope may be to rig the count (which I am certain they will do if they think they can get away with it).
 
Dude - 35% of registered Democrats didn't vote in 2016. By 'technicalities' I mean exactly that - the methods of Republican hinge on technicalities to suppress the vote. They can't out and out say that Blacks and Latinos can't vote so they have to rely on technical arguments that provide them slim margins (as in the above example of 0.7% in PA). And the quote is from Nate Cohn, not Nate Silver. More specifically, your 'multi-quote look at this look at that' post makes it difficult to understand your argument.

No one doubts that small margins have big effects - indeed the Rs are consistently winning by small amounts of votes. You then seem to shift to an argument about the preference of the population being for Dems. So what? That preference doesn't really mean anything unless those people actually vote, and with some exceptions the number of people who don't participate is fairly consistent for the Dems, and is orders of magnitude larger than the margin that Reps are winning by. It dwarfs the amount of votes that are being suppressed. The non-college educated whites were a problem inasmuch as they made up a large amount of the people who voted, but they've been shrinking as a percentage of eligible voters.

Multiple people have pointed this out and you don't seem to be addressing the point. Your 'qualification' tu quoque is also curious, I didn't qualify anything I posted - my argument seems pretty clear to me.

The 538 analysis (which I'm guessing the real Nate Silver signed off on) https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ayed-home-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/
 
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