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Since 1950, out of a total of 115 000 French priests, some of them managed to abuse 216 000 children.

Those are absolutely mind blowing numbers. It also says in the article that it's a low balled number of victims.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58801183

I thought I couldn't get any more shocked, than I had been already, about the whole Catholic boy rape circus. I was wrong. Oh, boy was I wrong.
 

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The number I heard recently in the news is the Vatican has shielded about 3000 pedophiles going back to the 1950s.
 

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The number I heard recently in the news is the Vatican has shielded about 3000 paedophiles going back to the 1950s.

"Render onto Caesar the things that are Caesar's". Such priests should not have been protected nor sheltered but punished.
 

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Is it any wonder that sex abusers and pedophiles would be drawn to an institution where closeting everything by way of the tradition of the confessional are drawn to the Catholic church? This has been known since the thing began! Info has been around for nearly the entire history of the mother church! It's finally proliferating at godspeed (pun intended) now because of the boom and velocity of technology, the information highway, and social media. Obviously.

The only rational thing to do is condemn the guilty, incarcerate them, shame them, and keep doing it; but should we be surprised? I'm not.

Anyone ever take a look at The Ring and the Book by that nice kid, Bob Browning? Good stuff.

True devilry often hides in plain sight. Sometimes with fancy clothes and lots of money, and sometimes with dirt and rags. But true evil requires some kind of power: strength, or leverage; and the more power, the greater the potential evil, the worse the torment, the more deep and lasting the harm.

And what that nice poet Keats wrote is nice but untrue:

"A thing of beauty is a joy forever,
Its loveliness increases, it will never
Pass into nothingness, but still will keep
A bower quiet for us and a sleep
Full of sweet dreams, and health, and quiet breathing..."


and/or:

"Beauty is Truth, Truth Beauty; that is all
Ye know on Earth, and all ye need to know."


which reminds me of something somebody else wrote:

"Cruel is a thing that shines,
When it decides to strike.
The poet turns to find
His heart laid waste by night."
- it's about unrequited love, and a rotten marriage. Nearly killed him.
 

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In 8th grade we were shown films of rlgiious orders and given promotional literature.

A kid goes through high school and to seminary and without any life or sexual experience becomes a celibate priest. What do you expect, you can't turn off hormones, genes, and sexual desire.

An ex nun in the 80s or 90s wrote a tell all book. I didn't read it but listened to a review. She claimed sex between nuns and priests is an open secret.

It is an impossible situation. The answer, let priests get married.
 

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In 8th grade we were shown films of rlgiious orders and given promotional literature.

A kid goes through high school and to seminary and without any life or sexual experience becomes a celibate priest. What do you expect, you can't turn off hormones, genes, and sexual desire.

An ex nun in the 80s or 90s wrote a tell all book. I didn't read it but listened to a review. She claimed sex between nuns and priests is an open secret.

It is an impossible situation. The answer, let priests get married.

Just in Australia the Catholic church has a grave shortage of priests. If they allowed married priests then that would open up far more candidates. Probably not enough to fill all vacancies but certainly provide a substantial number.
 

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In 8th grade we were shown films of rlgiious orders and given promotional literature.

A kid goes through high school and to seminary and without any life or sexual experience becomes a celibate priest. What do you expect, you can't turn off hormones, genes, and sexual desire.

An ex nun in the 80s or 90s wrote a tell all book. I didn't read it but listened to a review. She claimed sex between nuns and priests is an open secret.

It is an impossible situation. The answer, let priests get married.

Just in Australia the Catholic church has a grave shortage of priests. If they allowed married priests then that would open up far more candidates. Probably not enough to fill all vacancies but certainly provide a substantial number.

Yeah, they don't seem real interested in "big tent" appeal, or they'd not only allow priests to marry, they'd recruit Wiccans and atheists...
 

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Priests should be permitted to marry and have romantic relationships, but I don't see how that will keep the pedophiles from assaulting children. I guess that any large organization that permits adults to be in charge of children is going to attract a percentage of pedophiles. It's occurred in schools, the Boy Scouts, and other versions of religions. A year or two ago, it was discovered that both children and women had been sexually abused by quite a few leaders in evangelical churches. Some of these pastors were married, so marriage isn't going to solve this problem.
 

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Priests should be permitted to marry and have romantic relationships, but I don't see how that will keep the pedophiles from assaulting children. I guess that any large organization that permits adults to be in charge of children is going to attract a percentage of pedophiles. It's occurred in schools, the Boy Scouts, and other versions of religions. A year or two ago, it was discovered that both children and women had been sexually abused by quite a few leaders in evangelical churches. Some of these pastors were married, so marriage isn't going to solve this problem.

Besides the issue of sexual abuse, the church is greedy too...

https://latinamericanpost.com/23291-celibacy-and-greediness-this-is-why-catholic-priests-have-no-children
 

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I still aspire to be the first atheist pope. Pope George Ringo I.

Lol. But - there's always a but -

I am reasonably sure there have been lots of closet atheist popes. Plus even a couple closet stand-up comedians who rose to pope. Need I mention Pope Hilarious? No, I know he was a stand-up guy (leastways I rekkin), but it MIGHT indicate a god of some kind who's a closet stand-up comic?
 

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I still aspire to be the first atheist pope. Pope George Ringo I.

Lol. But - there's always a but -

I am reasonably sure there have been lots of closet atheist popes. Plus even a couple closet stand-up comedians who rose to pope. Need I mention Pope Hilarious? No, I know he was a stand-up guy (leastways I rekkin), but it MIGHT indicate a god of some kind who's a closet stand-up comic?
A Kathleen Madigan fan?
And, no 'O' in Hilarius.
 

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I still aspire to be the first atheist pope. Pope George Ringo I.

Lol. But - there's always a but -

I am reasonably sure there have been lots of closet atheist popes. Plus even a couple closet stand-up comedians who rose to pope. Need I mention Pope Hilarious? No, I know he was a stand-up guy (leastways I rekkin), but it MIGHT indicate a god of some kind who's a closet stand-up comic?
A Kathleen Madigan fan?
And, no 'O' in Hilarius.

Never heard of her. I saw the name once while looking up certain specific popes. Naturally I cracked up.

Sorry for the 'u'! Maybe it was a half conscious attempt to appease those easily triggered Canucks, Aussies, Kiwis, and especially those haughty self-righteous, sniffing, John Cleese-imitating Brits! :flooffrown:

Edit: d'oh! I mean sorry for the 'o' !
 

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Kathleen Madigan slays!! Best introduction to her style: An American Idiot in Paris, which was online last time I checked. It's one of her longest bits, and it gets across her act perfectly. She's had cd's and dvd's out, but they're mostly O/P and cost a fortune to get.
 

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Kathleen Madigan slays!! Best introduction to her style: An American Idiot in Paris, which was online last time I checked. It's one of her longest bits, and it gets across her act perfectly. She's had cd's and dvd's out, but they're mostly O/P and cost a fortune to get.

American Idiot, huh? Well, looks like that might be right up my alley (not that one! That's an exit only!).

Sounds like bilby might like it also. <<< Humour!

ETA: by the way, what does "O/P" mean exactly? Yagooglebing, the great Oracle, does not speak of this artifact.

Do you mean: (pick one [1])

  • Operating Procedure
  • Opening Post (poster)
  • Outmoded Protocols
  • Outdated Product(s)
  • Outlying Pejorative-amusement-purveyors (i.e. raw, {or otherwise} unfiltered stand-up comics and/or humorists [including but not restricted to screenplay writers, playwrights, comedy writers, popes, peanut g...etc, etc, etc&]}) etc...AKA: OUAP: pronounced whip. [NO! NOT THAT WAY! the "h' is silent. It's wip, not wwwwwwHHHHHHip, you idiot!].
  • Outlandish People (including funny people?)
  • Outlander-type Poets (Robert Burns in a time machine perhaps? Or Mel Gibson playing the anonymous author of Beowulf?)
  • etc, etc, etc&... (ad infinutum* ...


* no really - God had to invent infinity for this exact reason: to accommodate lawyers, philosophers, writers, silly people, poets, scientists, etc, etc, etc&)
 
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Priests should be permitted to marry and have romantic relationships, but I don't see how that will keep the pedophiles from assaulting children.
By two mechanisms. First, what Tigers! said: the Catholic church has a grave shortage of priests. It's world-wide, and it's a big part of the reason the RCC hierarchy keeps dealing with sexual assault reports by transferring priests to new parishes when they become locally notorious, instead of defrocking them or assigning them to jobs away from children.

And second, because the rule against priests marrying and having romantic relationships with women selectively disincentivizes* men with typical sexual tastes from choosing priesthood as a career. This elevates the percentage of priesthood applicants with every variety of atypical sexual taste, including pedophilia.

(* The RCC of course also has a rule against atypical sexual behavior in priests, but that isn't a comparable disincentive because that rule also applies to nonpriests; and in any event there's already a cultural prohibition on expressing atypical sexual tastes, regardless of the RCC's take on the matter. It's only men who prefer adult women as sex partners who are offered a better alternative than the priesthood.)
 

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In 8th grade we were shown films of rlgiious orders and given promotional literature.

A kid goes through high school and to seminary and without any life or sexual experience becomes a celibate priest. What do you expect, you can't turn off hormones, genes, and sexual desire.

An ex nun in the 80s or 90s wrote a tell all book. I didn't read it but listened to a review. She claimed sex between nuns and priests is an open secret.

It is an impossible situation. The answer, let priests get married.

Just in Australia the Catholic church has a grave shortage of priests. If they allowed married priests then that would open up far more candidates. Probably not enough to fill all vacancies but certainly provide a substantial number.

Over here as well.

From reporting the RCC has shifted its focus from the west to less developed areas like places in South America. Poor and undereducated susceptible superstitious people.

Over here there is an old Italian stereotype. An Italian family with 5 or 6 kids, one is selected to be a priest or nun. A point of family honor and reputation.
 

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Priests should be permitted to marry and have romantic relationships, but I don't see how that will keep the pedophiles from assaulting children. I guess that any large organization that permits adults to be in charge of children is going to attract a percentage of pedophiles. It's occurred in schools, the Boy Scouts, and other versions of religions. A year or two ago, it was discovered that both children and women had been sexually abused by quite a few leaders in evangelical churches. Some of these pastors were married, so marriage isn't going to solve this problem.

Culture matters. That's not going to fix it. A simpler and better solution is to have a rule against Catholic priests being in the same room alone with children. They can afford to hire secular staff for the religious education of kids. They don't need a priest to teach kids about Jonah and the Whale. Everybody wins.
 

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Priests should be permitted to marry and have romantic relationships, but I don't see how that will keep the pedophiles from assaulting children. I guess that any large organization that permits adults to be in charge of children is going to attract a percentage of pedophiles. It's occurred in schools, the Boy Scouts, and other versions of religions. A year or two ago, it was discovered that both children and women had been sexually abused by quite a few leaders in evangelical churches. Some of these pastors were married, so marriage isn't going to solve this problem.

Culture matters. That's not going to fix it. A simpler and better solution is to have a rule against Catholic priests being in the same room alone with children. They can afford to hire secular staff for the religious education of kids. They don't need a priest to teach kids about Jonah and the Whale. Everybody wins.

Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

I'll have to ask my husband how often the kids were alone with the priests. He was raised as a Catholic and was an altar boy. He was never sexually assaulted, but I will ask him if anything suspicious ever happened when he was growing up Catholic.

I just asked him and he said that there was never a report or rumor of sexual abuse during his time as a Catholic youth. He told me that such rumors were more common regarding the Boy Scouts. As I said, it can happen wherever adults are in charge of children.
 

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Priests should be permitted to marry and have romantic relationships, but I don't see how that will keep the pedophiles from assaulting children. I guess that any large organization that permits adults to be in charge of children is going to attract a percentage of pedophiles. It's occurred in schools, the Boy Scouts, and other versions of religions. A year or two ago, it was discovered that both children and women had been sexually abused by quite a few leaders in evangelical churches. Some of these pastors were married, so marriage isn't going to solve this problem.

Culture matters. That's not going to fix it. A simpler and better solution is to have a rule against Catholic priests being in the same room alone with children. They can afford to hire secular staff for the religious education of kids. They don't need a priest to teach kids about Jonah and the Whale. Everybody wins.

Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

I'll have to ask my husband how often the kids were alone with the priests. He was raised as a Catholic and was an altar boy. He was never sexually assaulted, but I will ask him if anything suspicious ever happened when he was growing up Catholic.

I just asked him and he said that there was never a report or rumor of sexual abuse during his time as a Catholic youth. He told me that such rumors were more common regarding the Boy Scouts. As I said, it can happen wherever adults are in charge of children.

Ok... but now you are talking about something different. I think rumours of sexual misconduct has almost zero correlation with actual sexual misconduct. No, offence but parents are generally INSANE when it comes to their kids. Anxiety is the norm. And I think we all know this. And I think this knowledge protects abusers.
 

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Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

I'll have to ask my husband how often the kids were alone with the priests. He was raised as a Catholic and was an altar boy. He was never sexually assaulted, but I will ask him if anything suspicious ever happened when he was growing up Catholic.

I just asked him and he said that there was never a report or rumor of sexual abuse during his time as a Catholic youth. He told me that such rumors were more common regarding the Boy Scouts. As I said, it can happen wherever adults are in charge of children.

Ok... but now you are talking about something different. I think rumours of sexual misconduct has almost zero correlation with actual sexual misconduct. No, offence but parents are generally INSANE when it comes to their kids. Anxiety is the norm. And I think we all know this. And I think this knowledge protects abusers.

I'm not sure how your posts relates to my post. :D I was just reporting the experiences of a person who is now an adult, but who was once a Catholic child. He's the one that brought up the Boy Scouts. Supposedly, some sexually inappropriate things were happening with the Boy Scouts, if his friends were being truthful.

My point has always been that these things are going to happen whenever you have adults, mostly men, in charge of children. Hopefully, it's not that common, but it happens in all types of situations. The problem with the churches is that parents usually put too much trust in the church leaders, so they can often get away with harming children. The children are often too fearful to report the abuse or they are fearful that nobody will believe them. Marriage isn't going to change a pedophile. In fact, some of them are married, and still sexually abuse children. Sometimes they sexually abuse their own children, but I'm sure you already knew that.

But, I do agree that the Catholic Church has a long history of abusive tactics towards both women and children. Hopefully, this is less of a problem these days since so much has been come to light and been covered in the media.
 

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Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

I'll have to ask my husband how often the kids were alone with the priests. He was raised as a Catholic and was an altar boy. He was never sexually assaulted, but I will ask him if anything suspicious ever happened when he was growing up Catholic.

I just asked him and he said that there was never a report or rumor of sexual abuse during his time as a Catholic youth. He told me that such rumors were more common regarding the Boy Scouts. As I said, it can happen wherever adults are in charge of children.

Ok... but now you are talking about something different. I think rumours of sexual misconduct has almost zero correlation with actual sexual misconduct. No, offence but parents are generally INSANE when it comes to their kids. Anxiety is the norm. And I think we all know this. And I think this knowledge protects abusers.

I'm not sure how your posts relates to my post. :D I was just reporting the experiences of a person who is now an adult, but who was once a Catholic child. He's the one that brought up the Boy Scouts. Supposedly, some sexually inappropriate things were happening with the Boy Scouts, if his friends were being truthful.

My point has always been that these things are going to happen whenever you have adults, mostly men, in charge of children. Hopefully, it's not that common, but it happens in all types of situations. The problem with the churches is that parents usually put too much trust in the church leaders, so they can often get away with harming children. The children are often too fearful to report the abuse or they are fearful that nobody will believe them. Marriage isn't going to change a pedophile. In fact, some of them are married, and still sexually abuse children. Sometimes they sexually abuse their own children, but I'm sure you already knew that.

But, I do agree that the Catholic Church has a long history of abusive tactics towards both women and children. Hopefully, this is less of a problem these days since so much has been come to light and been covered in the media.

Kids often lie and parents are normally hysterical about their kids safety. On top of that pedophilia is extremely rare. And since we're talking children, trusting, gullible, easily controlled, once a pedo finds himself, (its always men) in a place where they have private access to children it can take decades before they are caught. One pedo can easily molest thousands of kids.

One thing that is typical about reports of caught pedos is the risks they take. They can take huge risks for decades and get away with it.

The people who know don't want to believe, so they look away. Then it reaches a point where they feel complicit and really become complicit.

Adults remembering childhood traumas are notoriously unreliable. It's too easy for us to see a documentary on something and then convince ourselves it actually happened to us.

And our idea that kids victims of traumas are for ever broken isn't either particularly helpful. That might lead adult victims who are well functioning to convince themselves they weren’t victims.

There's a lot of factors in our culture that protect pedophiles
 

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In local news. 3 people arrested as part of a police sting operation to get adults looking for underage sex.

One was a high school psychologist. It is everywhere across demographics.

During the Boy Scouts scandal it was said the percentage was actually lower than the national percent of population.

With both the RCC and Boy Scouts it was more about the cover up. With the RCC it is ongoing, and the presumption they can adjudicate civil criminal cases in a religious court.
 

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It isn't just RCC by any stretch.

My partner was putting out for the youth minister at the Methodist church when he was in single digit age. He told his mom about this when he was 11. His mom marched him down to the church, where he told the pastor and such. They were outraged that he would tell such lies about dear brother Marion, and forced him to apologize.

The next time Brother Marion took him under the bridge, it was a punishment fuck.
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If they can't marry at leastlet them masturbate without feeling guilty.

The hand of god so to speak.
 

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In 8th grade we were shown films of rlgiious orders and given promotional literature.

A kid goes through high school and to seminary and without any life or sexual experience becomes a celibate priest. What do you expect, you can't turn off hormones, genes, and sexual desire.

An ex nun in the 80s or 90s wrote a tell all book. I didn't read it but listened to a review. She claimed sex between nuns and priests is an open secret.

It is an impossible situation. The answer, let priests get married.
That answer doesn't work for child molesters.
 
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