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"The idea isn't to convince people of untrue things, it's to fatigue them"

 
 
 
whichphilosophy said:
rousseau said:
There was no direct source attached to the image when I found it.
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If you can't convince them, confuse them, came from Harry Truman (D).
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What is your point? That because Harry Truman was an odious individual - I happen to particularly hate Truman - and he was a Democrat, therefore, that quote has no relevance to what Trump is doing, because Trump is a Republican? To be generous, this is poor reasoning.
 
And Truman was criticizing that perspective not endorsing it. But WP has alternative facts about everything.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Elixir said:
The effect upon me is *click*. Automatic and un-thinking. Drives my wife crazy. I just can't stand the assault by Pharma, Insurance, Cars and fast food.
Programmers make it hard - they synchronize their clocks so that if Science Channel goes to commercial, so do Discovery, History etc. etc. Other programming conglomerates have their own clocks that they adhere to religiously, as do networks. So you have to know what channel to *click* to at a given time, or you end up sampling a dozen commercials before finding any actual programming. PBS is a semi-reliable fallback for any time from :05 after the hour to :50 after...
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I watch shows on Netflix, so I don't need to bother with commercials.
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Yeah. I no longer have cable, and for "TV" I watch Amazon, Netflix, and Youtube exclusively.
 
abaddon said:
To fatigue people seems to be whichphilosophy’s strategy.
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The article is just some air headed rambling which is non sequitur to the current events. It's okay for writing novels about fictional characters but not in real life if there is no connection to the subject.

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blastula said:
And Truman was criticizing that perspective not endorsing it. But WP has alternative facts about everything.
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He was of course but that was sort of adapted by someone who was clearly not observing the subject but fantasising about a personality. She should see if she can get a job with the CIA.

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Nice Squirrel said:
I watch my neighbors having sex. No commercials.
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What about if they are AMWAY sales persons?
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
Toni said:
One of the many things that puzzle me about evangelical support for Trump is how utterly and willfully blind they are to his many obvious flaws of character and morality, particularly that he has cheated on all of his wives. But none puzzle me quite so much as his obvious messiah complex and the willingness of evangelicals to embrace him saying that he is the only one who can (save the US--btw, damn the rest of the world.) It is so antithetical to everything I learned in Southern Baptist Sunday school and church when I was a kid. To me, it's jarring, the amount of disconnect. I cannot even call it cognitive dissonance because there is no cognition involved. Politically, I have serious disagreements with many/most of my extended family but generally, I can find areas where we share strongly held common beliefs---Golden Rule kind of stuff, do unto others, family is important, love, honesty, hard work, etc. Trump seems to be the antithesis of all of that--although he seems to have affection for his family. I see it. It boggles my mind that evangelicals do not, will not, cannot.
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It's easy enough. Evangelicals see Trump as the avenue to get policies they want. Ending abortion, limiting gay rights and marriage and more. They do not care that getting their way means supporting an otherwise awful person.

He'll sooner or later go away, but the supreme court justices he gives them will be with us for years. The possibility of the far right getting wholesale changes in the constitution outweighs Trump's personal failings. They see Trump's election the way to impose their agenda on us all.
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Yep. Many of them are infatuated rules and power, morality is very much on a lower rung, and is very selective. One other point is the adulation of the military by Trump, which fits well with most of the evangelicals.

FWIW, my redneck evangelicals in-laws appear to be not so much big fans of Trump, as raw haters of Hillary Clinton. Though they are on board with the above, and fuck the poor, kill the rag-heads, do anything to get rid of the illegals mentality. Y'all know Jebus supports the second amendment...
 
It is clear from the success of 'arguments' for Israel or fundamentalist nonsense in America that Trump has learned simply to replace the whole concept of 'truth' with personal prejudice and mob rule.
 
abaddon said:
They see Trump as much more honest than "elitist" politicians. That he’s lambasting all the people who they blame for being “the forgotten Americans” registers as honesty with them. About his personality issues, they’re likely to agree he should tweet less than he does, but that’s all. That way his pettiness and impulsiveness doesn’t show but the hopefulness he’ll fulfill any of his promises remains. Of course the promises are impossible… these are people economically left behind by the post-industrial revolution and globalization and no one’s going to undo that. But when you’re living in towns still basically stuck in the ’50’s then you’re ripe for a demagogue who’s managed to fool them into thinking he’s a populist.
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Bingo.

He is also easy answers in a complicated nonsensical time where treating people equally is "racist' and where the politicians who you thought were fighting for the little guy are actually revealed to be sell outs to big money interests. A plain spoken believable outsider doofus blowhard suddenly looks preferable to people.
 
whichphilosophy said:
Elixir said:
The basic mechanism employed by Trump (and WP, not coincidentally)

"When we are overwhelmed with false, or potentially false, statements, our brains pretty quickly become so overworked that we stop trying to sift through everything."

The problem is that no matter how well we understand this dynamic (the article does a fair job of describing it), we still victimize ourselves. No amount of conscious effort to counter the effects of our own human nature results in the ability to "know the truth".
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Do you realise that it was a Democrat who said if you can't convince them, confuse them; not Trump as far as I know. Another Straw Donkey.
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I do realize that the expression is a very old one that had always been used to describe the efforts of someone else... no one every purported to taking that strategy, but many politicians have accused others of this, using that expression.

so, who is it you are attributing this quote to that was speaking about their own tactics, that was a democrat? Source please.
 
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