The Joker, Incels, Threats And FBI Warnings

[repoman]

I read about it but didn't see it. The whole thing is fascinating, how people can become so deranged. According to the Sun (local Toronto newspaper) he is autistic and was bullied brutally growing up, mocked later on by men and women alike, withrew from social contact from pretty much everyone in real life and then found a community online that helped him become what he became. Not too unlike what we hear about the western people who went off to join Isis. Does that match the interview video you saw? The Sun isn't the most reliable paper.

The video interview is only 20 minutes and is very informative. His demeanor is churchmouse meek.

Seems like a follower. Ellit Rodger may have been a touch autistic (literal not the internet insult) but his videos show a person with a fairly full range of emotions and probable ability to interact with people in a normal way with proper treatment. Of course he was a self pitying, narcissistic moral monster, so there was that...

Manassian probably had little ability to not be awkward for his whole life, just wired that way. If he actually did have social media contact with Elliot Rodger (and is not lying for odd reasons) then that is really sad.

Without that contact what would Manassian have done otherwise?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Without that contact what would Manassian have done otherwise?

He was in a vulnerable and maleable state. I think it just as likely that he could have joined Isis or some other radical group or cult. Any community that would welcome him and empower rather than look down on him as society at large had done all his life.

And that brings us back to the Joker movie. It is very much a character study of a similar, but fictional man.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Without that contact what would Manassian have done otherwise?

He was in a vulnerable and maleable state. I think it just as likely that he could have joined Isis or some other radical group or cult. Any community that would welcome him and empower rather than look down on him as society at large had done all his life.

And that brings us back to the Joker movie. It is very much a character study of a similar, but fictional man.

Why has the US partnered with ISIS if they're so bad?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Without that contact what would Manassian have done otherwise?

He was in a vulnerable and maleable state. I think it just as likely that he could have joined Isis or some other radical group or cult. Any community that would welcome him and empower rather than look down on him as society at large had done all his life.

And that brings us back to the Joker movie. It is very much a character study of a similar, but fictional man.

Why has the US partnered with ISIS if they're so bad?

You're the American. You tell me.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Why has the US partnered with ISIS if they're so bad?

You're the American. You tell me.

We're a very twisted ill society.

 

[Derec]

bullied brutally growing up, mocked later on by men and women alike,

Apropos then that this thread started with OP and ZiprHead (in post #7) mocking people who have difficult time attracting women as "incels" and "unfuckables".

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

bullied brutally growing up, mocked later on by men and women alike,

Apropos then that this thread started with OP and ZiprHead (in post #7) mocking people who have difficult time attracting women as "incels" and "unfuckables".

Yup.

Also apropos the SJWs attacking the Joker film, not because its a bad movie, but because it takes you through Fleck's journey from his perspective and gets you having some empathy and understanding for him before you see him transform into a monster. Its a pretty dark journey and it makes you question how society treats people and how it plays a role in nudging monsters along on their journey into becoming monsters.

 

[Keith&Co.]

No, the people who populate the incels sites do not have 'difficulty attracting women,' they have given up ever getting a woman to wet their willy unless forced to.
So, they have turned to hateful little whiners who craft vast fantasies of all women being either killed, or issued to incels as fuckslaves, or even the appropriate parts of female corpses being made available at sex-mortuary facilities for incels to have sex on.

So, if you merely have difficulty socializing, but still want to, they would likely not consider you one of them, but rather a beta cuck still falling for the woman's narrative.
If you do not actually think of women as a separate and lesser species, who deserve torture just for not having a dick, any comment on incels does not apply to you.

 

[Half-Life]

No, the people who populate the incels sites do not have 'difficulty attracting women,' they have given up ever getting a woman to wet their willy unless forced to.
So, they have turned to hateful little whiners who craft vast fantasies of all women being either killed, or issued to incels as fuckslaves, or even the appropriate parts of female corpses being made available at sex-mortuary facilities for incels to have sex on.

So, if you merely have difficulty socializing, but still want to, they would likely not consider you one of them, but rather a beta cuck still falling for the woman's narrative.
If you do not actually think of women as a separate and lesser species, who deserve torture just for not having a dick, any comment on incels does not apply to you.

The same people who make fun of incels for wanting to "redistribute the women from the alphas to the incels" are the same people who want the "money redistributed from the wealthy to go to the poor."

I find that extremely ironic.

 

[Keith&Co.]

No, the people who populate the incels sites do not have 'difficulty attracting women,' they have given up ever getting a woman to wet their willy unless forced to.
So, they have turned to hateful little whiners who craft vast fantasies of all women being either killed, or issued to incels as fuckslaves, or even the appropriate parts of female corpses being made available at sex-mortuary facilities for incels to have sex on.

So, if you merely have difficulty socializing, but still want to, they would likely not consider you one of them, but rather a beta cuck still falling for the woman's narrative.
If you do not actually think of women as a separate and lesser species, who deserve torture just for not having a dick, any comment on incels does not apply to you.

The same people who make fun of incels for wanting to "redistribute the women from the alphas to the incels" are the same people who want the "money redistributed from the wealthy to go to the poor."

I find that extremely ironic.

Jesus fuck, Half!
Do any of these people think that dollar bills are sentient and have a right to decide who owns or spends them?
Is anyone so far to the left they think that private ownership of a dollar is slavery?
What in the fuck makes the two positions comparable?

 

[Half-Life]

Jesus fuck, Half!
Do any of these people think that dollar bills are sentient and have a right to decide who owns or spends them?
Is anyone so far to the left they think that private ownership of a dollar is slavery?
What in the fuck makes the two positions comparable?

Incels: "It's not fair that alphas get all the women! They can have sex with 300 women and I can't even get 1! Why can't they send some women to us? Why are they so greedy?!?!"

Leftists:"It's not fair that rich people get all the money! They can have billions of dollars and I can barely hve a thousand dollars! Why can't they send some money to us? Why are they so greedy?!?!"

 

[Keith&Co.]

Jesus fuck, Half!
Do any of these people think that dollar bills are sentient and have a right to decide who owns or spends them?
Is anyone so far to the left they think that private ownership of a dollar is slavery?
What in the fuck makes the two positions comparable?

Incels: "It's not fair that alphas get all the women! They can have sex with 300 women and I can't even get 1! Why can't they send some women to us? Why are they so greedy?!?!"

Leftists:"It's not fair that rich people get all the money! They can have billions of dollars and I can barely hve a thousand dollars! Why can't they send some money to us? Why are they so greedy?!?!"

Except that money actually exists, 'wealthy people' are not artifacts of 'Leftists' mythology, and they really do have billions, and you, or I, or anyone can SEND money to someone without it being trafficking, so, no, i still do not see the two as remotely comparable except in the minds of incels and anyone else who sees women as a commodity.

Do you see women as a commodity, Half?

 

[Trausti]

This is probably OT, but that Incels are a real thing, a group, is bewildering to me. I'd have thought it was a Kids in the Hall sketch about guys who can't get girls and then make all sorts of hilarious excuses blaming the girls. But in our identity-politics obsessed age, I suppose anything is possible.

 

[Arctish]

This is probably OT, but that Incels are a real thing, a group, is bewildering to me. I'd have thought it was a Kids in the Hall sketch about guys who can't get girls and then make all sorts of hilarious excuses blaming the girls. But in our identity-politics obsessed age, I suppose anything is possible.

Welcome to 2014.

The attack, videos, and written manifesto of Rodger sparked conversations about broader issues of violence against women and misogyny in society.[108][109] Rodger indicated in online postings and YouTube videos that he would punish women for denying him sex and he would also punish men who had access to sex with women, as he did not. Rodger frequented online forums such as PUAHate and /r/ForeverAlone where he and other men posted misogynistic statements about women.[110] He subscribed to several pick-up artist YouTube channels.[111] He also identified himself online as an "incel", a member of an online subculture of people who are unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one.

 

[Trausti]

This is probably OT, but that Incels are a real thing, a group, is bewildering to me. I'd have thought it was a Kids in the Hall sketch about guys who can't get girls and then make all sorts of hilarious excuses blaming the girls. But in our identity-politics obsessed age, I suppose anything is possible.

Welcome to 2014.

Perhaps, but the first time I heard that term was maybe last year.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Jesus fuck, Half!
Do any of these people think that dollar bills are sentient and have a right to decide who owns or spends them?
Is anyone so far to the left they think that private ownership of a dollar is slavery?
What in the fuck makes the two positions comparable?

Incels: "It's not fair that alphas get all the women! They can have sex with 300 women and I can't even get 1! Why can't they send some women to us? Why are they so greedy?!?!"

Leftists:"It's not fair that rich people get all the money! They can have billions of dollars and I can barely hve a thousand dollars! Why can't they send some money to us? Why are they so greedy?!?!"

Except that money actually exists, 'wealthy people' are not artifacts of 'Leftists' mythology, and they really do have billions, and you, or I, or anyone can SEND money to someone without it being trafficking, so, no, i still do not see the two as remotely comparable except in the minds of incels and anyone else who sees women as a commodity.

Do you see women as a commodity, Half?

Ya reckon he took the Proud Bois masturbation pledge?

 

[Half-Life]

Except that money actually exists, 'wealthy people' are not artifacts of 'Leftists' mythology, and they really do have billions, and you, or I, or anyone can SEND money to someone without it being trafficking, so, no, i still do not see the two as remotely comparable except in the minds of incels and anyone else who sees women as a commodity.

Do you see women as a commodity, Half?

No, they are not a commodity. But, the incels think they are.

The point is that if you think stealing money from the rich to give to the poor is OK, then you should also think stealing women is OK to give to the incels. Both involve stealing something that isn't yours without regard to the person's feelings.

 

[Patooka]

Except that money actually exists, 'wealthy people' are not artifacts of 'Leftists' mythology, and they really do have billions, and you, or I, or anyone can SEND money to someone without it being trafficking, so, no, i still do not see the two as remotely comparable except in the minds of incels and anyone else who sees women as a commodity.

Do you see women as a commodity, Half?

No, they are not a commodity. But, the incels think they are.

The point is that if you think stealing money from the rich to give to the poor is OK, then you should also think stealing women is OK to give to the incels. Both involve stealing something that isn't yours without regard to the person's feelings.

Thank you. That is the most moronic thing I have heard. You must be for the military working for free then. You are against taxes against the rich. The military is funded by taxes. Therefore you believe soldiers should not get paid.

See what I did there?

 

[Half-Life]

Except that money actually exists, 'wealthy people' are not artifacts of 'Leftists' mythology, and they really do have billions, and you, or I, or anyone can SEND money to someone without it being trafficking, so, no, i still do not see the two as remotely comparable except in the minds of incels and anyone else who sees women as a commodity.

Do you see women as a commodity, Half?

No, they are not a commodity. But, the incels think they are.

The point is that if you think stealing money from the rich to give to the poor is OK, then you should also think stealing women is OK to give to the incels. Both involve stealing something that isn't yours without regard to the person's feelings.

Thank you. That is the most moronic thing I have heard. You must be for the military working for free then. You are against taxes against the rich. The military is funded by taxes. Therefore you believe soldiers should not get paid.

See what I did there?

Taxes for the sole purpose of stealing from the rich to give away to the poor is completely different. The poor simultaneously hate billionaires and also want to leech off of their wealth. I was chatting with a lefty and I told them that if we start taxing the wealthy they will move their businesses to other countries and this will kill jobs for the middle class and the poor and destroy any potential for job growth. He replied, "Well, then just don't tax the corporations that much" and I said, "Welcome to the Republican party!"

 

[Patooka]

So when you say something it's complicated. When someone else says something, it can only be black and white.

Got it. Not surprised you support double standards.