The other side of Ferguson: Missouri Burning

[EricK]

A few years ago, there were a number of views which I would have thought were incontrovertible and held by all "right thinking people":
With regards to the first OP: burning down other people's property is wrong, whomever is doing it; making death threats and other threats of violence is wrong, whomever is doing it; and using racial epithets is ridiculously childish, whomever is doing it.
And with regards to the second OP: Helping your neighbours go about their law-abiding business is a good thing whomever they may be;"colour-blindness" is a good thing, whomever is practising it; and respecting others is a good thing.

Of course, I still believe all those things. It's just that I have discovered that I am in a tiny minority in PD in this regard.

 

[dx713]

A few years ago, there were a number of views which I would have thought were incontrovertible and held by all "right thinking people":
With regards to the first OP: burning down other people's property is wrong, whomever is doing it; making death threats and other threats of violence is wrong, whomever is doing it; and using racial epithets is ridiculously childish, whomever is doing it.
And with regards to the second OP: Helping your neighbours go about their law-abiding business is a good thing whomever they may be;"colour-blindness" is a good thing, whomever is practising it; and respecting others is a good thing.

Of course, I still believe all those things. It's just that I have discovered that I am in a tiny minority in PD in this regard.

Or maybe it is just you are misreading PD posters (apart from the "colour-blindness is not good enough" thing).
Care to cite anyone condoing burning property or abandoning neighbours? If you're right, I must have been missing a lot of discussions around here.

 

[Malintent]

if you really want me to.... and since you asked...

When people of any color act like a nigger, they get "lynched" like a nigger.

What constitutes acting like a "nigger" and who gets to decide?

It is a behavior... same way any behavior is categorized... by the target of the behavior (eye of the beholder). in law, the group of people that "get to decide" is called a jury.

 

[laughing dog]

What constitutes acting like a "nigger" and who gets to decide?

It is a behavior... same way any behavior is categorized... by the target of the behavior (eye of the beholder). in law, the group of people that "get to decide" is called a jury.

That is so vague as to be meaningless. For example, is your posting an example of "acting like a nigger"?

 

[ksen]

I've never read of any jury convicting anyone on the charge of "acting like a nigger".

 

[Malintent]

It is a behavior... same way any behavior is categorized... by the target of the behavior (eye of the beholder). in law, the group of people that "get to decide" is called a jury.

That is so vague as to be meaningless. For example, is your posting an example of "acting like a nigger"?

That would be difficult to sell... "acting like a nigger" requires physical context.. there is a lot of body language involved in the behavior. Since we didn't have a third party witnessing my disposition as I typed the post, it would be hard to tell... no testimony available.

 

[Malintent]

I've never read of any jury convicting anyone on the charge of "acting like a nigger".

It would be called something more PC... "an aggressive disposition leading one to the impression that the subject intends to intimidate, belittle, or otherwise harass in a manner consistent with tribal class disputes"... but I am no expert at perfectly defining this behavior anymore than anyone else. The apparent disposition of a subject at the time of an event greatly influences the outcome of a trial... the judge would give instruction to the jury to base certain types of decisions exactly on the apparent intent or disposition of someone. "He looked like he wanted to kill him" has a huge impact versus "he was just looking at him".

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Disappointed.. I thought the "other side" was going to be discussion of how 91% of all violent crimes against blacks are committed by blacks, and this isn't even one of the 9%, since this man had assaulted a police officer and was in physical contact with the officer's gun when it went off at point blank range. black people are not being gunned down by police... bad people that act like bad people get stopped.

Does anyone even remember that the LA riots and looting after the Rodney King trial was about a FUCKING CRIMINAL that was EVADING CAPTURE? Well, this Ferguson guy was a ROBBER, ASSAULTING A POLICE OFFICER.

The so-called "witness" that made false claims should be arrested for inciting riots.

Did you know

Yet the disturbing truth, according to the FBI's most recent homicide statistics, is that the United States is in the wake of an epidemic of white-on-white crime. Back in 2011, the most recent year for which data is available, a staggering 83 percent of white murder victims were killed by fellow Caucasians.

This is not to say that white people are inherently prone to violence. Most whites, obviously, manage to get through life without murdering anyone. And there are many countries full of white people — Norway, Iceland, France, Denmark, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom — where white people murder each other at a much lower rate than you see here in the United States. On the other hand, although people often see criminal behavior as a symptom of poverty, the quantity of murder committed by white people specifically in the United States casts some doubt on this. Per capita GDP is considerably higher here than in France — and the white population in America is considerably richer than the national average — and yet we have more white murderers.

To understand the level of cultural pathology at work here, it's important to understand that 36 percent of those killed by whites are women — a far higher share than you see with black murderers.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/21/6053811/white-on-white-murder

 

[laughing dog]

That is so vague as to be meaningless. For example, is your posting an example of "acting like a nigger"?

That would be difficult to sell... "acting like a nigger" requires physical context.. there is a lot of body language involved in the behavior. Since we didn't have a third party witnessing my disposition as I typed the post, it would be hard to tell... no testimony available.

If the definition is vague, then the difficulty in "selling" depends on the audience. Seems to me one could make a case that you are posts fit your definition of "acting like a nigger".

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Here is what I find to be a hoot

I start a thread about black churches being burned down, and the Klan being suspected

AND

I write about black citizens guarding a white owned business

but the discussion in such a thread is about the word nigger.



I don't know why black folk think white folk don't know what they are talking about when it come to race in America.

 

[Rhea]

But by all means, continue on.

if you really want me to.... and since you asked...

When people of any color act like a nigger, they get "lynched" like a nigger.

Act like a fucking human being and get treated like a fucking human being.

There is a lot of racism coming from black people.. a sort of affirmative action for racism.. they are allowed to be at least a little racist by society. So, when a black person in a black community is so much as looked at by a white cop, outrage inevitably follows. How DARE they step on his sneakers.

Holy shit, didn't get back to this thread and look what happened.


The naked race hate is really disturbing. And in addition to it, is the idea that if you act in a certain way (I'm am not able to make a guess about what you mean by that so I won't guess) that it's justifiable to KILL PEOPLE OVER IT.

Holy shit.


So as Athena asks, how did the topic get here!?
One man makes an emotional appeal, and a different man gets his church burned down and is the argument that this IS OKAY somehow?
I don't think the other buildings burned or looted are okay either, for the record. But somehow people seem to be saying that this one was okay?


WTF?!

 

[Derec]

I start a thread about black churches being burned down, and the Klan being suspected

Any updates here? And are the Klan suspicions based on anything concrete or are they just the usual suspects?

 

[ZiprHead]

IMO, that stretches the notion of attack. Shoving or grabbing someone is not necessarily an attack - even when it is down by a big scary black man.

It certainly fulfills the legal definition (even if it doesn't fulfill your personal definition which is too bad but irrelevant) which makes it a robbery, not simply theft.
Even Brown's supporters admit he robbed a store.

It's possible this is a Poe but I don't think so.

That's definitely a photoshoped poe.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

I start a thread about black churches being burned down, and the Klan being suspected

Any updates here? And are the Klan suspicions based on anything concrete or are they just the usual suspects?

Now you ask?

 

[fromderinside]

I don't know why black folk think white folk don't know what they are talking about when it come to race in America.

I don't wonder why homeless persons looking a garbage can just searched by another homeless person. I know the homeless person still has hope something good will turn up.

 

[Narapoia]

IMO, that stretches the notion of attack. Shoving or grabbing someone is not necessarily an attack - even when it is down by a big scary black man.

It certainly fulfills the legal definition (even if it doesn't fulfill your personal definition which is too bad but irrelevant) which makes it a robbery, not simply theft.
Even Brown's supporters admit he robbed a store.

It's possible this is a Poe but I don't think so.

It's fake. But it agrees with your preconceptions so of course you don't think it's a Poe.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

I start a thread about black churches being burned down, and the Klan being suspected

Any updates here? And are the Klan suspicions based on anything concrete or are they just the usual suspects?

And are the Klan suspicions based on anything concrete

You mean other than the fact that they're racists and want to kill black people?

 

[Derec]

Now you ask?

It's been a while since the thread has been first posted, so it seems a good time to ask if there are any updates. Are there?

- - - Updated - - -

You mean other than the fact that they're racists and want to kill black people?

That is not sufficient grounds for suspecting someone of arson.

- - - Updated - - -

It's fake.

Yeah. That has been established several weeks ago.

But it agrees with your preconceptions so of course you don't think it's a Poe.

It's not a preconception. Brown really did rob a store.

 

[Malintent]

Did you know

Yet the disturbing truth, according to the FBI's most recent homicide statistics, is that the United States is in the wake of an epidemic of white-on-white crime. Back in 2011, the most recent year for which data is available, a staggering 83 percent of white murder victims were killed by fellow Caucasians.

This is not to say that white people are inherently prone to violence. Most whites, obviously, manage to get through life without murdering anyone. And there are many countries full of white people — Norway, Iceland, France, Denmark, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom — where white people murder each other at a much lower rate than you see here in the United States. On the other hand, although people often see criminal behavior as a symptom of poverty, the quantity of murder committed by white people specifically in the United States casts some doubt on this. Per capita GDP is considerably higher here than in France — and the white population in America is considerably richer than the national average — and yet we have more white murderers.

To understand the level of cultural pathology at work here, it's important to understand that 36 percent of those killed by whites are women — a far higher share than you see with black murderers.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/21/6053811/white-on-white-murder

Yes, I am aware that the majority of crimes are either "black on black" or "white on white". what this says is that most crimes are committed amongst their own communities. Not surprising.

note that I never connected "being black" with "acting like a nigger". I come across more of that type of behavior among whites than blacks, simply due to being exposed to more whites than blacks.

the core point is that acting in a threatening manner should be expected to get one in trouble with the law.

 

[Narapoia]

It's fake.

Yeah. That has been established several weeks ago.

But it agrees with your preconceptions so of course you don't think it's a Poe.

It's not a preconception. Brown really did rob a store.

Brown robbing the store is not what I was referring to. I was referring to your preconception that people supporting Brown would be stupid enough to hold up a sign like that. The picture agreed with that preconception, so you were inclined to accept it as legitimate. Despite the fact that actually looking at it for longer than about 5 seconds is enough to tell it has been photoshopped.