The real reason Iran wants a nuclear deal

[ksen]

How is Obama paying them? Did he write them a personal check?

 

[braces_for_impact]

It's an agreement, and like all compromises, it isn't perfect (for either side). Hassan Rouhani is under pressure at home to get the sanctions lifted. Very aggressive checks are in place without too much notice being given. Due to the nature of radioactive enrichment, it isn't exactly easy to hide the fact that it's taking place. Most of the criticisms I've seen are criticisms other than the nuclear deal, and like it or not, that was the goal of the administration.

The same idiots in congress that sent Iran that letter awhile ago are the same idiots that seem to think that Obama should have won complete destruction of anything nuclear, a complete admission of guilt, an apology to Israel for being bad guys and denying the holocaust, and a solemn vow to forevermore stay within their own borders. Finally, a country wide conversion to a Christian theocracy should have been secured as well.

 

[SimpleDon]

It pushes Iran getting a bomb further down the road. Which is pretty much all one can best hope to accomplish.

I remember back when someone who even suggested Iran wanted a bomb was a saber-rattling war monger. 2008 or so, I think.

Now Obama is a hero for paying them to maybe stop building a bomb.

And I remember when pretty much the same people who are now convinced that the Iranians are building a bomb were convinced that the Iraqis were building a bomb, back in 2003.

Bush heroically started a war costing us over 4,000 dead of our military, 100,000 Iraqis dead and costing over 2 trillion dollars to find out that they were wrong. That the only weapons of mass destruction that the Iraqis had were the ones that Reagan heroically sold to them. Bush went on to nearly destroy the country in fits of ideologically driven incompetence.

That conservatives oppose this argument dramatically improve the odds that it will be successful at slowing of any possible desire that the Iranians might or might not have to build an atomic bomb.

 

[RavenSky]

I remember back when someone who even suggested Iran wanted a bomb was a saber-rattling war monger. 2008 or so, I think.

Now Obama is a hero for paying them to maybe stop building a bomb.

And I remember when pretty much the same people who are now convinced that the Iranians are building a bomb were convinced that the Iraqis were building a bomb, back in 2003.

Bush heroically started a war costing us over 4,000 dead of our military, 100,000 Iraqis dead and costing over 2 trillion dollars to find out that they were wrong. That the only weapons of mass destruction that the Iraqis had were the ones that Reagan heroically sold to them. Bush went on to nearly destroy the country in fits of ideologically driven incompetence.

That conservatives oppose this argument dramatically improve the odds that it will be successful at slowing of any possible desire that the Iranians might or might not have to build an atomic bomb.

I think the biggest irony is that we were told the people would be dancing in the streets for the U.S. after Bush's Iraq war.

Turns out it's the Iranian people dancing in the streets for the U.S. following the peaceful negotiations of the current administration.

 

[braces_for_impact]

It does seem like those that have real working knowledge of how these things operate think the administration did a surprisingly good job.

http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum...s-weigh-and-theyre-pretty-impressed-iran-deal

 

[untermensche]

It pushes Iran getting a bomb further down the road. Which is pretty much all one can best hope to accomplish.

I remember back when someone who even suggested Iran wanted a bomb was a saber-rattling war monger. 2008 or so, I think.

Now Obama is a hero for paying them to maybe stop building a bomb.

So let's see.

Iran is giving up on getting a bomb but the people who claimed they really didn't want one were wrong?

What a strange twisting of reality some are able to weave.

 

[Cerberus]

I remember back when someone who even suggested Iran wanted a bomb was a saber-rattling war monger. 2008 or so, I think.

Now Obama is a hero for paying them to maybe stop building a bomb.

And I remember when pretty much the same people who are now convinced that the Iranians are building a bomb were convinced that the Iraqis were building a bomb, back in 2003.

Bush heroically started a war costing us over 4,000 dead of our military, 100,000 Iraqis dead and costing over 2 trillion dollars to find out that they were wrong. That the only weapons of mass destruction that the Iraqis had were the ones that Reagan heroically sold to them. Bush went on to nearly destroy the country in fits of ideologically driven incompetence.

That conservatives oppose this argument dramatically improve the odds that it will be successful at slowing of any possible desire that the Iranians might or might not have to build an atomic bomb.

At least it gave the arms industry a production boost; that's what it was really about!

 

[Cerberus]

And I remember when pretty much the same people who are now convinced that the Iranians are building a bomb were convinced that the Iraqis were building a bomb, back in 2003.

Bush heroically started a war costing us over 4,000 dead of our military, 100,000 Iraqis dead and costing over 2 trillion dollars to find out that they were wrong. That the only weapons of mass destruction that the Iraqis had were the ones that Reagan heroically sold to them. Bush went on to nearly destroy the country in fits of ideologically driven incompetence.

That conservatives oppose this argument dramatically improve the odds that it will be successful at slowing of any possible desire that the Iranians might or might not have to build an atomic bomb.

I think the biggest irony is that we were told the people would be dancing in the streets for the U.S. after Bush's Iraq war.

Turns out it's the Iranian people dancing in the streets for the U.S. following the peaceful negotiations of the current administration.

Who can comprehend the Arab psyche? Certainly not us in the West, any more than they understand ours.

 

[Ford]

Who can comprehend the Arab psyche?

Certainly not the Persians.

 

[Cerberus]

But of course.

Because health care for the masses, successfully negotiating a way out of the worst recession in memory, major civil rights victories in the Supreme Court, etc. aren't nearly enough....

But those were all secondary and mostly unintentional goals which were pretty much all due to his stealing Republican ideas that Reagan came up with first.
After six and a half years, he has so far failed miserably in his primary goal of turning the US into an atheist muslim caliphate where all the white people are forced into prison camps and turned homosexual because they couldn't fight back after having their guns stolen by the FBI brute squads. Without having that accomplishment under his belt, he needs to do something to prop up his pathetic attempt at a legacy.

What's that? Reagan 'had an idea'?? Sorry I don't believe it!!

 

[Cerberus]

It pushes Iran getting a bomb further down the road. Which is pretty much all one can best hope to accomplish.

I remember back when someone who even suggested Iran wanted a bomb was a saber-rattling war monger. 2008 or so, I think.

Now Obama is a hero for paying them to maybe stop building a bomb.

I wonder how many US dollars have poured into the ME region in the last two decades? Now there's a scary thought to conjure with.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Iran is getting choked by sanctions. They need those lifted. The US and the rest of the world want Iran to slow down their bomb development. ISIS has little to do with this.

I figured we would see a deal. Obama was willing to give away the store to get a sham deal.

Iran is going to get it's frozen assets and go right back to working on a bomb.

So, does this deal slow down their development?

By this you mean their development of a NUCLEAR WEAPON?

Yes, this deal does indeed slow down Iran's currently non-existent nuclear weapons development program. The deal means that Iran's weapons program -- in theory, in an absolute worst case scenario where nothing whatsoever goes wrong and they do everything right on the very first try -- will be at least fourteen months away from refining enough weapons grade material to produce a nuclear weapon. Without the deal, it would only take them about three months.