The threat to male students from kangaroo courts

[Loren Pechtel]

I stumbled upon this listing recently: http://www.avoiceformalestudents.co...ss-violations-in-adjudicating-sexual-assault/

63 lawsuits. The few cases that have been discussed on here are only the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Every single one of those lawsuits was filed by a misogynist MRA rape apologist. /sarcasm.

 

[Arctish]

The threat to male students from kangaroo courts draconian disciplinary boards.

I fixed your thread title so it wouldn't sound sexist. Female students are just as imperiled as males by poorly written Codes of Conduct and dysfunctional disciplinary boards. Also, colleges and university disciplinary processes shouldn't be confused with courts because, as the author of that article points out in the first sentence, they have "neither the investigative nor prosecutorial prowess of the criminal justice system to determine the guilt and innocence of students accused of felony sexual assault". I think "draconian" conveys the same meaning without confusing the disciplinary panels with actual courts.

 

[Derec]

I fixed your thread title so it wouldn't sound sexist. Female students are just as imperiled as males by poorly written Codes of Conduct and dysfunctional disciplinary boards.

Maybe in principle, but male students are definitely the ones threatened by the bogus "rape culture" type witch hunts so popular these days. Not even Jackie Coakley, whose rape allegation was published in Rolling Stone before it spectacularly collapsed was on the receiving end of college disciplinary boards, even though she richly deserved it.
And as far as it being "dysfunctional", it is precisely this selective targeting of male students accused of rape or sexual assault (which can be as little as having consensual sex with a girl who was observed drinking earlier in the evening) while not going after false accusers (using same standard of proof) that is a sign of ideologically motivated dysfunction.

Also, colleges and university disciplinary processes shouldn't be confused with courts because, as the author of that article points out in the first sentence, they have "neither the investigative nor prosecutorial prowess of the criminal justice system to determine the guilt and innocence of students accused of felony sexual assault".

Then they should defer to the outcome of any criminal investigation and not play cops and lawyers.

I think "draconian" conveys the same meaning without confusing the disciplinary panels with actual courts.

Except that the real Draco dealt with actual courts too. I see nothing wrong with "kangaroo court" as a descriptor here.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Some of these cases are not lawsuits or have been settled in the male's favor.

 

[Arctish]

I fixed your thread title so it wouldn't sound sexist. Female students are just as imperiled as males by poorly written Codes of Conduct and dysfunctional disciplinary boards.

Maybe in principle, but male students are definitely the ones threatened by the bogus "rape culture" type witch hunts so popular these days. Not even Jackie Coakley, whose rape allegation was published in Rolling Stone before it spectacularly collapsed was on the receiving end of college disciplinary boards, even though she richly deserved it.

Three of the student plaintiffs listed in that database are female. The thread title gives the false impression that only male students are being impacted by dysfunctional, draconian disciplinary processes.

Do you care that women are subjected to the same proceedings and receiving the same penalties or is your outrage reserved for males only?

 

[dismal]

Three of the student plaintiffs listed in that database are female

ZMFOG it's teh War on Women!!!!q11!

I'm glad we were able to focus in on the big problem here.

 

[thebeave]

This has been going on since 2011. To me, the Dear Colleague policy seems to be clearly denying people their Constitutional rights. Where is the ACLU in all of this? The Attorney General? The Supreme Court? I can't believe this could even get started...

 

[Arctish]

Three of the student plaintiffs listed in that database are female

ZMFOG it's teh War on Women!!!!q11!

I'm glad we were able to focus in on the big problem here.

The big problem is how college and university disciplinary processes function, and what rules are being enforced, not ZMFOG it's teh War on Men!!!!q11!

If the disciplinary process is unfair, draconian, or dysfunctional, it affects any student accused of violating a Code of Conduct, not just the ones with penises. If a Student Code of Conduct is poorly written, it affects all students, not just the ones with Y chromosomes. Common sense should be enough to figure that part out, but just in case it isn't, the article linked in the OP has a list of 63 cases given as examples of unfair disciplinary processes featuring both male and female plaintiffs.

This isn't a gender specific issue.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The threat to male students from kangaroo courts draconian disciplinary boards.

I fixed your thread title so it wouldn't sound sexist. Female students are just as imperiled as males by poorly written Codes of Conduct and dysfunctional disciplinary boards. Also, colleges and university disciplinary processes shouldn't be confused with courts because, as the author of that article points out in the first sentence, they have "neither the investigative nor prosecutorial prowess of the criminal justice system to determine the guilt and innocence of students accused of felony sexual assault". I think "draconian" conveys the same meaning without confusing the disciplinary panels with actual courts.

There is a threat to everyone but there is a special threat to men because of the witch-hunt attitude towards supposed rapists.

I think "court" is a reasonable term as they have the power to hand out some pretty major punishment and at least pretend to act like a court.

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Some of these cases are not lawsuits or have been settled in the male's favor.

Being settled in the male's favor just reinforces my point.

 

[dismal]

ZMFOG it's teh War on Women!!!!q11!

I'm glad we were able to focus in on the big problem here.

The big problem is how college and university disciplinary processes function, and what rules are being enforced, not ZMFOG it's teh War on Men!!!!q11!

If the disciplinary process is unfair, draconian, or dysfunctional, it affects any student accused of violating a Code of Conduct, not just the ones with penises. If a Student Code of Conduct is poorly written, it affects all students, not just the ones with Y chromosomes. Common sense should be enough to figure that part out, but just in case it isn't, the article linked in the OP has a list of 63 cases given as examples of unfair disciplinary processes featuring both male and female plaintiffs.

This isn't a gender specific issue.

Tip: No one is arguing against a process that is fair for all students.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Some of these cases are not lawsuits or have been settled in the male's favor.

Being settled in the male's favor just reinforces my point.

FYI, in general, witch hunts don't usually end with the acquittal of the suspect.

 

[dismal]

Being settled in the male's favor just reinforces my point.

FYI, in general, witch hunts don't usually end with the acquittal of the suspect.

Unlike with many witch hunts, eventually real courts with real evidentiary and due process standards get involved.

And then the witch hunters can be held liable for damages.

 

[Togo]

This isn't a gender specific issue.

Tip: No one is arguing against a process that is fair for all students.

No, but some of us are arguing that it only matters if men are effected. As specified in the title of the thread.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Being settled in the male's favor just reinforces my point.

FYI, in general, witch hunts don't usually end with the acquittal of the suspect.

These are lawsuits in response to the witch hunts. The courts slapped them down for witch hunting.

 

[Toni]

Anybody else struck by the irony of the use of the term 'witch hunt' ITT?

 

[ksen]

"warlock hunt" just sounds silly

 

[credoconsolans]

Three of the student plaintiffs listed in that database are female

ZMFOG it's teh War on Women!!!!q11!

I'm glad we were able to focus in on the big problem here.

I see you don't like it when a reverse gender "not ALL men" meme is used on you.

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"warlock hunt" just sounds silly

It would be 'witch hunt' regardless as there is no such thing as a warlock.

Just sayin'...

 

[dismal]

ZMFOG it's teh War on Women!!!!q11!

I'm glad we were able to focus in on the big problem here.

I see you don't like it when a reverse gender "not ALL men" meme is used on you.

I didn't realize I had just had the reverse gender "not ALL men" meme used on me.

Now I feel so dirty.

 

[arkirk]

What has been said is that we have "kangaroo courts" or "draconian disciplinary panels." Neither term is desirable and neither type of action is desirable. Students go to school to get educated only to find that interpretations of proper sexual behavior gets them in trouble. The panels could handle the problems okay if the people on them were indeed not so rigid and prejudiced at the outset...either way in favor of male defendants or female plaintiffs. This is entirely dependent on the attitudes of the elites that sit on these panels.

Things might be different in a far more egalitarian setting for education itself. As it is, many cannot attend for lack of money. Those with money seem to feel more privileged and are more apt to either complain about sex or try to force sex. These elitist institutions (our colleges and universities) seem to suffer from the same sorts of prejudicial problems as our criminal courts. Their panels are little more than reflections of the prejudices of their members. For all the millions of scholarly and otherwise political words that have been said about sexual relations, somehow we have failed to arrive at solutions to these problems.

There is no doubt that what is accepted as okay sex is different from place to place, and there is a very wide draconian divide.