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What, precisely, is your problem with this? That someone, somewhere, is starting something that accords with their values?
The problem is what was stated... they offer no degree, have no accreditation, yet call themselves a "University"? On their website the only information about any of this is how to "donate". If you don't see a problem with that then go donate, you silly mark.
Does anyone have a link to that "university"'s home page?

I'd like to see for myself what its founders are claiming about it. Will it be doing any teaching? Research? Advocacy?

*spit take*
 

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It's vague on details, like what its courses will be about. What syllabuses? What reading lists? What sorts of projects will its students be doing?
 

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It's vague on details, like what its courses will be about. What syllabuses? What reading lists? What sorts of projects will its students be doing?
They are advertising this as an alt-right school, but also saying they want accreditation, so they are speaking out of both sides of their mouths. One side to get idiots to donate to it, the other to make the concept plausible enough to evade prosecution when it devolves into an online seminar.

To riff a bit more.

We Open College.

You Donate Money!

Umm... where is the college?

You Donate Land!

What classes will there be?

Under development.

Will you be accredited?

Yes, our graduates, all 100 of them, will be able to get masters elsewhere.

At the other schools you say are flawed.

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We Open College.

You Donate Money... and Land!
 

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Who says this isn't a plan?

"WITH YOUR SUPPORT AND INVOLVEMENT, WE WILL BUILD THE UNIVERSITY OF AUSTIN IN THREE PHASES OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS"

I like how by year three they have an engineering school.... and 20 teachers, total?

20 teachers, 100 students?

Nobody has paid for a degree.
That's one of the many claims I did not make.
So, it's like a GoFundMe that never delivers, except nobody has paid for anything?
Yeah, just like GoFundMe... though usually the numbers don't have this many zeros.
Well, which is it? Is this a charity which is fake (despite it never calling itself a charity) or is it a grift that has cheated people out of money (despite the fact that there is no evidence that anybody has donated to it with false expectations)?
Likely a plausibly deniable scheme to raise large amounts of money for a "university", but end up as an online seminar (can't call it school) for right-wingers. I'm sorry you can't see a scam this big from so far back. That failing must have cost you some money in the past.
 

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These "scholars" who decry the state of higher education for its level of "wokeness" seem to unaware of the numerous institutions of higher learning (public and private) who are conservative in nature. Here are lists of conservative universities I found by simply Googling "conservative universities"
70 Most Conservative Colleges
CBS ranking of top 20 conservative colleges
 

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These "scholars" who decry the state of higher education for its level of "wokeness" seem to unaware of the numerous institutions of higher learning (public and private) who are conservative in nature. Here are lists of conservative universities I found by simply Googling "conservative universities"
70 Most Conservative Colleges
CBS ranking of top 20 conservative colleges
My impression is that those conservative universities are distinguished by an emphasis on Christianity, American nationalism and a very homogenous student body.

Liberty University mentions that it will "promote an understanding of the Western tradition and the diverse elements of American cultural history, especially the importance of the individual in maintaining democratic and free market processes."

Bob Jones University say they "educate the whole person through a biblically integrated liberal arts curriculum," and,
"equip individuals with a biblical worldview and with the ability to defend that worldview."

Is this the secret ingredient to the fearless pursuit of truth?
 

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Liberty U and Bob Jones U are evangelical universities. There is more of Xianity than evangelical Protestantism, no matter how much evangelicals like to call themselves just plain Xians. Some of them may be mainline-Protestant ones or Catholic ones or Mormon ones, but are there any secular ones? I'm not sure I want to do detailed research on them, but many of them seem to be evangelical, with some of them Catholic and Mormon.
 

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I decided to go ahead with that, since I am now rested.
  • Evangelical: Bob Jones U SC, CO Christian U, Biola U CA, Palm Beach Atlantic U FL, Taylor U IN, Cornerstone U MI, LeTourneau U TX, U of Northwestern – St. Paul MN, Moody Bible Institute IL, Oral Roberts U OK, Wheaton C IL, Toccoa Falls C GA, Crown College MN
  • Baptist: Cedarville U OH, Liberty U VA, Dallas Baptist U TX, North Greenville U SC, Anderson U SC, Maranatha Baptist U WI, Ouachita Baptist U AR, Wayland Baptist U TX, Howard Payne U TX, Charleston Southern U SC, MS C, Campbell U NC, Union U TN
  • Pentecostal: Lee U TN, Evangel U MO, Southeastern U FL, Southwestern Assemblies of God U TX, Northwest University WA, U of Valley Forge PA, OK Baptist U
  • Nazarene: Trevecca Nazarene U TN, Olivet Nazarene U IL
  • Missionary: Bethel U IN
  • Churches of Christ ("Campbellite"): Harding U AR, Abilene Christian U TX, OK Christian U
  • Churches of Christ in Christian Union: OH Christian U
  • Churches of God General Conference (Winebrenner): U of Findlay OH
  • Methodist: Southern Methodist U TX, Spring Arbor U MI, U of Evansville IN, IN Wesleyan U
  • Lutheran: Susquehanna U PA, Concordia U WI, WI Lutheran C
  • Quaker: George Fox U OR
  • ? Xian: Grove City C PA, Samford U AL, Lancaster Bible C PA
  • Mormon: Brigham Young U (UT, ID, HI)
  • Catholic: Franciscan U of Steubenville OH, U of Dallas TX, U of Scranton PA, U of Saint Francis IN
  • State: UT State U, U of WY, U of TN at Martin, Wayne State C NE, West TX A&M U, U of MS, MT Technological U, TX A&M U, U of North GA, Auburn U AL, U of AR, ID State U, Western NM U, Radford U VA, MO U of Science and Technology, U of AL in Huntsville, Eastern WA U, U of AL, LA Tech U, SD School of Mines and Technology, OK State U – Stillwater, Tarleton State U TX, Pittsburg State U KS, Southern UT U, Angelo State U TX
  • Priviate Secular: Hillsdale C MI, Lock Haven U PA
U = University, C = College, Two-letter abbreviations are of states.
 

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Most of these conservative universities are various Protestant ones, though there are a few Catholic ones. There are a lot of state universities, and only one university that seems both private and secular.

Opinion | Does America Actually Need a New Conservative University? - POLITICO
"The founders of UATX do have a point — but they're also missing something important about the higher ed landscape."
So what need is it filling, exactly? In a year or so UATX will offer its first credential, and despite all the rhetoric about the novelty of its principles, it’s one that many a new educational venture targets: a business certificate in “Entrepreneurship and Leadership.” (For those who can’t wait until the summer of 2023 for this essential service, there are at least 100 other programs in this area offered by universities from coast to coast.)

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The University of Austin makes space for itself in this ecosystem, however, not with a bold new idea but by attacking the other species already out there. Its own justification for launching is that other institutions suffer from not being adequately devoted to truth, from a lack of civility, from a failure to protect free speech and from being too tied to the elite liberal consensus that has been branded lately as “wokeness.” We’ve heard such complaints again and again from moderate and conservative critics at odds with students and faculty devoted to such things as rooting out racism, treating less conventional people with respect and eradicating gender-based violence and discrimination. Most of the critics are themselves in favor of these things in principle, but they fear that through a combination of self-righteousness, hypocrisy and group think, campus cultures have gone too far.

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I realize that the University of Austin is trying to raise money from donors whose wallets will open more quickly when they hear complaints about woke warriors or pronoun police.
 

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The conservative universities are either religious ones or state ones, with only two secular private ones that I found. The religious ones were mostly various flavors of Protestant, both mainline and evangelical. There are some Catholic and Mormon ones, but no Jewish or other non-Xian ones.

The state ones are in AL, ID, LA, MO, MT, NM, OK, SD, TN, TX, UT, WA. Most of these states are Republican-leaning, except for NM and WA, and eastern WA is Republican-leaning. The two secular private ones are in MI and PA.
 

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Anti-woke does not equal conservative.
 

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So? That doesn't make this a conservative university.
 

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Anti-woke does not equal conservative.
I don't think anyone said it was. But conservative is anti-woke.

No it's not. Conservative is not anti-woke.

I believe that people should grow up enough to find a compatible mate, get married, and then stay married short of a huge disaster.
Including gay people.

And the state should prop up those relationships as best it can, given the limitations of the state. The general term for this is "Same sex Marriage equality".

Does that make me Woke or Conservative?

In your opinion.
Tom
 

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Anti-woke does not equal conservative.
I don't think anyone said it was. But conservative is anti-woke.

No it's not. Conservative is not anti-woke.

I believe that people should grow up enough to find a compatible mate, get married, and then stay married short of a huge disaster.
Including gay people.

And the state should prop up those relationships as best it can, given the limitations of the state. The general term for this is "Same sex Marriage equality".

Does that make me Woke or Conservative?

In your opinion.
Tom
That is not Woke.
 

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Anti-woke does not equal conservative.
I don't think anyone said it was. But conservative is anti-woke.

No it's not. Conservative is not anti-woke.

I believe that people should grow up enough to find a compatible mate, get married, and then stay married short of a huge disaster.
Including gay people.

And the state should prop up those relationships as best it can, given the limitations of the state. The general term for this is "Same sex Marriage equality".

Does that make me Woke or Conservative?

In your opinion.
Tom
I would rather reshape this not necessarily along lines of sexual pairings but rather of pairings in general.

I would see it legal for a pair of sisters to make a domestic partnership contract, because domestic partnership does not imply sexual partnership.

I would change the law so all domestic partnerships to include marriage were under this language, wherein any "parent in the flesh" is the parent to whose domestic partnership the child falls.
 

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Anti-woke does not equal conservative.
I don't think anyone said it was. But conservative is anti-woke.

No it's not. Conservative is not anti-woke.

I believe that people should grow up enough to find a compatible mate, get married, and then stay married short of a huge disaster.
Including gay people.

And the state should prop up those relationships as best it can, given the limitations of the state. The general term for this is "Same sex Marriage equality".

Does that make me Woke or Conservative?

In your opinion.
Tom
That is not Woke.
OK, got it.
SSM isn't Woke.

At least, not Woke enough for you.

What does Woke mean to you? In another thread, someone defined Woke as "aware of and concerned about social issues". Sounded right to me, but perhaps you have a different opinion?
Tom
 

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Anti-woke does not equal conservative.
I don't think anyone said it was. But conservative is anti-woke.

No it's not. Conservative is not anti-woke.

I believe that people should grow up enough to find a compatible mate, get married, and then stay married short of a huge disaster.
Including gay people.

And the state should prop up those relationships as best it can, given the limitations of the state. The general term for this is "Same sex Marriage equality".

Does that make me Woke or Conservative?

In your opinion.
Tom
That is not Woke.
OK, got it.
SSM isn't Woke.

At least, not Woke enough for you
The fight for marriage equality was around long before the term "Woke" came into use.
What does Woke mean to you? In another thread, someone defined Woke as "aware of and concerned about social issues". Sounded right to me, but perhaps you have a different opinion?
Tom
Anyone awake and paying attention to life around them is "woke" according to that definition.

"Woke" is an increasingly pejorative term used by the fearful and the ignorant to describe people with whom they disagree.
 

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Conservatives are very woke, just about differant things. CRT, immigration, abortion, "welfare", etc.
 
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